Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.
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But he didn't reveal himself in human body form yet and deceive all nonelects with his miracles into worshipping him as God.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
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13 For such are false apostles (nonelects), deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
Satan is going to come out as a fake 2nd Coming of Jesus, have another attempt of tower of babel. Why do you think "peace and safety" verse is there?
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
New King James Version
13 For such are false apostles (nonelects), deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
Satan is going to come out as a fake 2nd Coming of Jesus, have another attempt of tower of babel. Why do you think "peace and safety" verse is there?
KEYS to HIS MAJESTY'S MYSTERY
the Number 7 is COMPLETION/SABBATH REST/CHRIST
the number 6 is MAN
the Number 3 is ELOHIM = FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT
the number 2 is WITNESS/BETROTHAL/MARRIAGE
the number 8 is NEW BEGINNING
the number 9 is JUDGMENT
the number 10 is COMPLETE/PERFECT also TRIBULATION
the NUMBER 12 is HIS BODY/ISRAEL of GOD/CHRIST IN You the HOPE of GLORY
the Number 7 is COMPLETION/SABBATH REST/CHRIST
the number 6 is MAN
the Number 3 is ELOHIM = FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT
the number 2 is WITNESS/BETROTHAL/MARRIAGE
the number 8 is NEW BEGINNING
the number 9 is JUDGMENT
the number 10 is COMPLETE/PERFECT also TRIBULATION
the NUMBER 12 is HIS BODY/ISRAEL of GOD/CHRIST IN You the HOPE of GLORY
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Yes they are the same, the 7th trumpet declares the millennial kingdom, which means the Great Tribulation is OVER. That wouldn't be possible if the Beast is given 3.5 years ahead. Seven bowls are just an escalated version of the seven trumpets observed on Earth instead of from heaven. The book of Revelation was NOT written in chronological order, but in chiastic structure, which means the second half is the mirror image of the first half.
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I agree seven seals, seven trumpets, and seven bowls are the same. But don't really agree with with a literal 3.5 years, since Revelation is mostly a symbolic book.
Matthew 6:34
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34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
Mark 13:11-13
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11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
John 10:28
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28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Romans 8:28-39
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28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Job 2:6
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6 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, he is in your hand, but spare his life.”
Psalm 33:9
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9 For He spoke, and it was done;
He commanded, and it stood fast.
Read Genesis 1.
Matthew 6:34
New King James Version
34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
Mark 13:11-13
King James Version
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
John 10:28
King James Version
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Romans 8:28-39
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28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Job 2:6
New King James Version
6 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, he is in your hand, but spare his life.”
Psalm 33:9
New King James Version
9 For He spoke, and it was done;
He commanded, and it stood fast.
Read Genesis 1.
No, there's a clear transition from the seven seals into the seven trumpets, the 7th seal is called the PRELUDE of the seven trumpets; and then likewise, right before the seven bowls, there's a passage called the PRELUDE of the seven bowls. And then you consider the chiastic structure of the book, it's quite reasonable to add two and two together and reach this conclusion that seven trumpets and seven bowls are the same, but seven seals before that.
As for the 3.5 years, that's a direct reference of the 3.5 years in Daniel, also a reprise of Elijah's 3.5 years where there was no rain in Israel. You decide whether that's symbolic or not. I don't think it would be so specific if it's just symbolic. I think it's for real.
As for the 3.5 years, that's a direct reference of the 3.5 years in Daniel, also a reprise of Elijah's 3.5 years where there was no rain in Israel. You decide whether that's symbolic or not. I don't think it would be so specific if it's just symbolic. I think it's for real.
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I always thought the 3 sets of judgments were sequential. However, it is hard to see the 7th seal as being different from the 7th bowl.
Both include a great earthquake; every mountain and island removed from its place at 7th seal and every island fled away and every mountain could not be found at the 7th bowl.
So how do you differentiate the 7th seal from the 7th bowl, with how great the similarity between them?
I think it is also interesting that there are parallels between the 10 plagues of Egypt with the judgments in the Tribulation.
Both include a great earthquake; every mountain and island removed from its place at 7th seal and every island fled away and every mountain could not be found at the 7th bowl.
So how do you differentiate the 7th seal from the 7th bowl, with how great the similarity between them?
I think it is also interesting that there are parallels between the 10 plagues of Egypt with the judgments in the Tribulation.
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So how do you differentiate the 7th seal from the 7th bowl, with how great the similarity between them?
How does this explain the great similarity between them? Both judgments describe basically the same thing? How does perspective show that they are not the same thing?
So how do you differentiate the 7th seal from the 7th bowl, with how great the similarity between them?
How does this explain the great similarity between them? Both judgments describe basically the same thing? How does perspective show that they are not the same thing?
WAKE UP CALL = There is not one 'pre-trib rapture verse in the Scriptures.
pre-trib rapture never came out of the mouth of God
Guaranteed $1,000 donation to our persecuted Brethren, Voice of the Martyrs and/or other, AND $500 donation to Christianchat.com if anyone can bring forth just one Scripture passage that states the folllowing:
A.) the Lord Jesus Christ descends before the Resurrection to rapture the Church
B.) the Church raptured before the revealing of the Antichrist
C.) Reversing/Altering the Commandment and Order of the Lord Jesus Christ = Matt 24:23-31
At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is!’ do not believe it.
24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible.
25 See, I have told you in advance.
26 So if they tell you, ‘There He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’
30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn.
They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
pre-trib rapture never came out of the mouth of God
Guaranteed $1,000 donation to our persecuted Brethren, Voice of the Martyrs and/or other, AND $500 donation to Christianchat.com if anyone can bring forth just one Scripture passage that states the folllowing:
A.) the Lord Jesus Christ descends before the Resurrection to rapture the Church
B.) the Church raptured before the revealing of the Antichrist
C.) Reversing/Altering the Commandment and Order of the Lord Jesus Christ = Matt 24:23-31
At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is!’ do not believe it.
24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible.
25 See, I have told you in advance.
26 So if they tell you, ‘There He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’
30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn.
They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
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Obviously they aren't.
No, it declares the second coming and wrath of God. The Millennium does not start until Armageddon is over and satan is imprisoned. No trumpet sounds at that time.
7th trump does means is over and of course there is no further 3.5 years for beast.
No, they are not. They are God's wrath and what they do are extremely different than any of trumps.
Most people already know that.
No, it declares the second coming and wrath of God. The Millennium does not start until Armageddon is over and satan is imprisoned. No trumpet sounds at that time.
7th trump does means is over and of course there is no further 3.5 years for beast.
No, they are not. They are God's wrath and what they do are extremely different than any of trumps.
Most people already know that.
Rev. 13:18 "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."
We know there are 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets, and 7 Vials.
In 2 Thess. 2:1-5 Paul says that the Day of Christ would not come except there be a great falling away first. P.A.M. said there is an apostasy, when people are fooled into worshiping Satan as Christ, before our true Savior shows up at the 7th Seal/7th Trumpet/7th Vial (Rev. 6:14-17; Rev. 10:7 & 11:15-19; Rev. 16:17)
Now, I remember when P.A.M. was teaching on Rev. 6:1-2, here are the Vs.s.:
Rev. 6:1-2 "And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, "Come and see."
Vs. 2 And I saw, and behold, a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."
{I made a note during his Bible study program on this as he said it:
Vs. 1 "Seals are the teachings of God that go into your mind."
Vs. 2 "The Seals are not given in order of chronological time, but in order of importance to you."}
That's what he said, at the time, and that's what I wrote down, next to those verses in my Bible.
The most important thing first, was the fact that Satan actually was going to come down here, to earth, in real time, before Jesus comes back here.
Then he talked about the 5th and 6th Trumpet:
Rev. 9:1-11 "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Vs. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
Vs. 3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth; and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Vs. 4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Vs. 5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
Vs. 6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them."
Vs.s 7-10 The locust army is described, how they look, & operate, that came out of the smoke that arose when the bottomless pit was opened.
{Pastor Murray said regarding Vs. 1-3, that the locust army is released from the bottomless pit, that in Vs. 2 "And he opened the bottomless pit...", P.A.M. said that "he", is the Archangel Michael, that descends to earth, and that he, Michael, opens the bottomless pit and releases the locust army out of the smoke, and according to the note on Vs. 5, that the cycle of the locust is 5 months, May to September.
He said the scorpion was an analogy for Anti-Christ, that Satan poisons the mind & turns your spine to mush through deceptions.
He also said that the locust army is actually God's army.
In Joel 1:4, 6-7; 2:2-10; P.A.M. said that esp. at Vs. 3, that these verses were God's analogy for Satan's deception, of His locust army = spiritual murder of souls
He also said that the locust army is actually God's army; Rev. 9:4-5
Joel 2:11 "And the LORD shall utter His voice before His army: for His camp is very great: for He is strong that executeth His word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?"
I think that God allows Satan to deceive himself into thinking that the locust army, is his army, when according to Joel 2:11, it is actually God's army, and unbeknownst to Satan, God controls it, per P.A.M., and because, also according to Rev. 9:4-6. And the "Day of the Lord" is at the last Trumpet, which is the 7th Trumpet.}
Rev. 9: Vs. 11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."
P.A.M. always has said that this indicates it is Satan (which is also released from the bottomless pit along with the locust army, by Archangel Michael, for his name is "Death", and "Destruction", but also the "Son of perdition". And I think this ties in quite nicely with Rev. 6:2, where Satan, as self-deceived, arrogant, Anti-Christ, sits on a white horse, imitating Christ (Rev. 19:11-16), with his fake bow, (toxon), and that God allows a crown to be given him, and to go forth conquering and to conquer, which means to completely subdue all the nations, with the locust army that he is self-deceived into thinking is his, but which God has already instructed, and controls.
I think that he is operating from behind our perception through his evil spirits, but that he's not actually here yet in the 5/5/5 on earth.
Then also, in Rev. 12:13-15, where the woman which brought forth the man child, is persecuted, and Vs. 14 the woman is given two wings, and flown away into the wilderness, to be nourished,
And we all know, that P.A.M. has always taught that this flood is a flood of lies from Satan. P.A.M. has always taught that Satan works through people, and pulpits, and the woman is Mother Israel, and that this nation of ours was a wilderness, at the time that the Jews & the Israelites were driven off their land; that after having crossed the Caucasus Mtns., and settling into what would become Europe, and the British Isles, that they eventually migrated to avoid persecution, (I think both Jews, & Christians) here to North America.
And then especially Vs. 15 the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Well, I could be wrong, but considering we are in the 5/5/5, and, probably towards the end of the 5/5/5, the current events this last 3 years, and especially now in this year, I think that Satan's flood of lies has been going on stronger, for at least the last 100 years at least, since the invention of Movies, Hollywood, Radio, TV (1949), well controlled programming of the American & the European, British/Irish public under the guise of "News" & "Entertainment" mostly by the Jewish Kenites, and the Atheist Communists, & Socialists. They've worked behind their facade, or "underground", and now they're blatant about their intentions. I suppose it's been a "global" programming of people through their efforts. They've been pulling it all together very quickly now. I understood P.A.M. to say that all the signs that Jesus said would happen over time, but that all the seals/trumpets/vials would occur very quickly, once they started. And things seem to be occuring very quickly now.
In the 6/6/6, Rev. 9;13-21; Satan actually appears posing as our true LORD of lords, & KING of kings, and according to Rev. 13:1-18 when he shows up, he steps into the one-world, Global government, which humans have been unable to completely, by their own efforts, pull together. He heals the deadly wound (Brexit? and others?) He also takes the role of the False Christ, and there is a false prophet, which I believe will be filled by the Pope, who will head up Satan's false one-world, Global religion, which at this time is being formed up through the United Nation's Chapel. Just this last month, there was a spokesman that spoke and said that all the leaders of all the world's religions must submit their doctrine & ideologies to those of the United Nation's Chapel, one world religion. And nobody can fight the Global government, because the U.N. probably conscripts all the military's of the nations in the world under their sole control. I believe Rev. 11:1-13, the two witnesses occurs towards the end of the 6th Trumpet, which is the 2nd woe trumpet (11:14). And then directly after they rise up to heaven, the 3rd woe trumpet sounds (Rev. 11:15) which is the 7th trumpet.
The 5th Vial (Rev. 16:10-11) is poured out upon the seat of the beast (the U.N.) and the 6th vial (Rev. 16:12-16) is poured out "upon the great river Euphrates", the border between Babel, confusion, and truth, that the river is dried up, and the way of the kings of the east are prepared." and Vs. 13 the 3 unclean spirits come out of the mouth of the dragon, the mouth of the beast, and the mouth of the false prophet, spouting hot air, lies, smoke & mirrors, deception.
Then Rev. 16:17 the 7th Vial is poured out into the air (the airwaves? internet, radio, TV?) for all the people to finally see(?), and the great voice comes out of the Temple of heaven, from the throne, declaring "It is done."
That's why I believe that Satan appears at the 6th Seal/6th Trumpet/6th Vial before Christ returns at the 7th Seal/the 7th Trumpet/the 7th Vial, because that's what P.A.M. has always taught.
We know there are 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets, and 7 Vials.
In 2 Thess. 2:1-5 Paul says that the Day of Christ would not come except there be a great falling away first. P.A.M. said there is an apostasy, when people are fooled into worshiping Satan as Christ, before our true Savior shows up at the 7th Seal/7th Trumpet/7th Vial (Rev. 6:14-17; Rev. 10:7 & 11:15-19; Rev. 16:17)
Now, I remember when P.A.M. was teaching on Rev. 6:1-2, here are the Vs.s.:
Rev. 6:1-2 "And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, "Come and see."
Vs. 2 And I saw, and behold, a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."
{I made a note during his Bible study program on this as he said it:
Vs. 1 "Seals are the teachings of God that go into your mind."
Vs. 2 "The Seals are not given in order of chronological time, but in order of importance to you."}
That's what he said, at the time, and that's what I wrote down, next to those verses in my Bible.
The most important thing first, was the fact that Satan actually was going to come down here, to earth, in real time, before Jesus comes back here.
Then he talked about the 5th and 6th Trumpet:
Rev. 9:1-11 "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Vs. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
Vs. 3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth; and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Vs. 4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Vs. 5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
Vs. 6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them."
Vs.s 7-10 The locust army is described, how they look, & operate, that came out of the smoke that arose when the bottomless pit was opened.
{Pastor Murray said regarding Vs. 1-3, that the locust army is released from the bottomless pit, that in Vs. 2 "And he opened the bottomless pit...", P.A.M. said that "he", is the Archangel Michael, that descends to earth, and that he, Michael, opens the bottomless pit and releases the locust army out of the smoke, and according to the note on Vs. 5, that the cycle of the locust is 5 months, May to September.
He said the scorpion was an analogy for Anti-Christ, that Satan poisons the mind & turns your spine to mush through deceptions.
He also said that the locust army is actually God's army.
In Joel 1:4, 6-7; 2:2-10; P.A.M. said that esp. at Vs. 3, that these verses were God's analogy for Satan's deception, of His locust army = spiritual murder of souls
He also said that the locust army is actually God's army; Rev. 9:4-5
Joel 2:11 "And the LORD shall utter His voice before His army: for His camp is very great: for He is strong that executeth His word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?"
I think that God allows Satan to deceive himself into thinking that the locust army, is his army, when according to Joel 2:11, it is actually God's army, and unbeknownst to Satan, God controls it, per P.A.M., and because, also according to Rev. 9:4-6. And the "Day of the Lord" is at the last Trumpet, which is the 7th Trumpet.}
Rev. 9: Vs. 11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."
P.A.M. always has said that this indicates it is Satan (which is also released from the bottomless pit along with the locust army, by Archangel Michael, for his name is "Death", and "Destruction", but also the "Son of perdition". And I think this ties in quite nicely with Rev. 6:2, where Satan, as self-deceived, arrogant, Anti-Christ, sits on a white horse, imitating Christ (Rev. 19:11-16), with his fake bow, (toxon), and that God allows a crown to be given him, and to go forth conquering and to conquer, which means to completely subdue all the nations, with the locust army that he is self-deceived into thinking is his, but which God has already instructed, and controls.
I think that he is operating from behind our perception through his evil spirits, but that he's not actually here yet in the 5/5/5 on earth.
Then also, in Rev. 12:13-15, where the woman which brought forth the man child, is persecuted, and Vs. 14 the woman is given two wings, and flown away into the wilderness, to be nourished,
And we all know, that P.A.M. has always taught that this flood is a flood of lies from Satan. P.A.M. has always taught that Satan works through people, and pulpits, and the woman is Mother Israel, and that this nation of ours was a wilderness, at the time that the Jews & the Israelites were driven off their land; that after having crossed the Caucasus Mtns., and settling into what would become Europe, and the British Isles, that they eventually migrated to avoid persecution, (I think both Jews, & Christians) here to North America.
And then especially Vs. 15 the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Well, I could be wrong, but considering we are in the 5/5/5, and, probably towards the end of the 5/5/5, the current events this last 3 years, and especially now in this year, I think that Satan's flood of lies has been going on stronger, for at least the last 100 years at least, since the invention of Movies, Hollywood, Radio, TV (1949), well controlled programming of the American & the European, British/Irish public under the guise of "News" & "Entertainment" mostly by the Jewish Kenites, and the Atheist Communists, & Socialists. They've worked behind their facade, or "underground", and now they're blatant about their intentions. I suppose it's been a "global" programming of people through their efforts. They've been pulling it all together very quickly now. I understood P.A.M. to say that all the signs that Jesus said would happen over time, but that all the seals/trumpets/vials would occur very quickly, once they started. And things seem to be occuring very quickly now.
In the 6/6/6, Rev. 9;13-21; Satan actually appears posing as our true LORD of lords, & KING of kings, and according to Rev. 13:1-18 when he shows up, he steps into the one-world, Global government, which humans have been unable to completely, by their own efforts, pull together. He heals the deadly wound (Brexit? and others?) He also takes the role of the False Christ, and there is a false prophet, which I believe will be filled by the Pope, who will head up Satan's false one-world, Global religion, which at this time is being formed up through the United Nation's Chapel. Just this last month, there was a spokesman that spoke and said that all the leaders of all the world's religions must submit their doctrine & ideologies to those of the United Nation's Chapel, one world religion. And nobody can fight the Global government, because the U.N. probably conscripts all the military's of the nations in the world under their sole control. I believe Rev. 11:1-13, the two witnesses occurs towards the end of the 6th Trumpet, which is the 2nd woe trumpet (11:14). And then directly after they rise up to heaven, the 3rd woe trumpet sounds (Rev. 11:15) which is the 7th trumpet.
The 5th Vial (Rev. 16:10-11) is poured out upon the seat of the beast (the U.N.) and the 6th vial (Rev. 16:12-16) is poured out "upon the great river Euphrates", the border between Babel, confusion, and truth, that the river is dried up, and the way of the kings of the east are prepared." and Vs. 13 the 3 unclean spirits come out of the mouth of the dragon, the mouth of the beast, and the mouth of the false prophet, spouting hot air, lies, smoke & mirrors, deception.
Then Rev. 16:17 the 7th Vial is poured out into the air (the airwaves? internet, radio, TV?) for all the people to finally see(?), and the great voice comes out of the Temple of heaven, from the throne, declaring "It is done."
That's why I believe that Satan appears at the 6th Seal/6th Trumpet/6th Vial before Christ returns at the 7th Seal/the 7th Trumpet/the 7th Vial, because that's what P.A.M. has always taught.
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It clearly says in Rev 12 and 13 that the Beast is given a short time after he’s cast out of heaven, which is 3.5 years, that was repeated THREE times! What’s the point of denying that?
Also, no trumpet sounding at the second coming? Friend, that’s a huge mistake. In Matt 24, 1 Cor 15, 1 Thess 4, trumpet is explicitly mentioned as the SIGNAL of his second coming.