Jesus said understand it and know it! Do you?

[Thewatchman]

In Mark 13:14 But when you shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains: I thank I understand it. You find it spoken of in Danial 9:27 and Danial 12:11. I thank Paul explained it best in 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-12 Satan sets himself up in the Tempel of God proclaiming that he is God; but he is the antichrist or the instead of Christ cuts of the daily sacrifice and causes many to say they are Christians to follow after him. Remember that this is Jesus speaking in Mark 13 and it is Jesus that says let the reader understand; I thank we all need to understand it. Mark 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: I thank this has to do with Israel becoming a nation again, and the vision of the 2 baskets of figs in Jeramiah 24.

 

[RichMan]

In Mark 13:14 But when you shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains: I thank I understand it. You find it spoken of in Danial 9:27 and Danial 12:11. I thank Paul explained it best in 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-12 Satan sets himself up in the Tempel of God proclaiming that he is God; but he is the antichrist or the instead of Christ cuts of the daily sacrifice and causes many to say they are Christians to follow after him. Remember that this is Jesus speaking in Mark 13 and it is Jesus that says let the reader understand; I thank we all need to understand it. Mark 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: I thank this has to do with Israel becoming a nation again, and the vision of the 2 baskets of figs in Jeramiah 24.

No it is not about Daniel 9:27 nor will there be a Temple of God rebuilt.
The Jews may build a great building and again offer sacrifices but God will not be there nor accept their sacrifices. To do so would be blaspheme.
Anti does not mean instead, but against.
Everything he does will be against the teachings of Christ and he will make that very plain.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

In Mark 13:14 But when you shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains: I thank I understand it. You find it spoken of in Danial 9:27 and Danial 12:11. I thank Paul explained it best in 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-12 Satan sets himself up in the Tempel of God proclaiming that he is God; but he is the antichrist or the instead of Christ cuts of the daily sacrifice and causes many to say they are Christians to follow after him. Remember that this is Jesus speaking in Mark 13 and it is Jesus that says let the reader understand; I thank we all need to understand it. Mark 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: I thank this has to do with Israel becoming a nation again, and the vision of the 2 baskets of figs in Jeramiah 24.

consider this parable ( and the ot prophecies ) of what left israel desolate

“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.( early prophets )

Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.( latter prophets )

But last of all he sent unto them his son, ( Jesus ) saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:33-43‬ ‭

even today as we speak there is a Muslim mosque sitting in Jerusalem’s Temple Mount declaring “ God certainly has no son “

just something to consider soon after Jesus was raised up Jerusalem was destroyed as he said it would be and the gospel of the kingdom was sent into the world welcoming all who believe.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Anti does not mean instead, but against.

Here's what I find at BLB:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g473/nasb95/tr/0-1/

[G473 - anti] Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. over against, opposite to, before
2. for, instead of, in place of (something)
   1. instead of
   2. for
   3. for that, because
   4. wherefore, for this cause

... and used in the following verses, like this:

"But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning over Judea in place G473 of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there. Then after being warned by God in a dream, he left for the regions of Galilee," - Matthew 2:22 [see also HERE: https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/2-22.htm ]



"“Now [fn]suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a [fn]fish; he will not give him a snake instead G473 of a fish, will he?" - Luke 11:11 [see also HERE: https://biblehub.com/text/luke/11-11.htm ]

 

[Dino246]

There is a key bit of information in the middle of the passage quoted in the OP...

"then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains"

This happened in 70 AD, just prior to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman armies. The Christians who lived in Jerusalem fled to Pella, in the mountains to the East. It is strongly believed that no Christian perished in the holocaust that followed, whereas hundreds of thousands of unrepentant Jews either died or were sold into slavery.

If this happened in the first century, it is highly likely that the rest of the passage was also fulfilled in the first century... and many believe this is the case. For further information, read Josephus' The Wars of the Jews.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

There is a key bit of information in the middle of the passage quoted in the OP...

"then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains"

This happened in 70 AD, just prior to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman armies. The Christians who lived in Jerusalem fled to Pella, in the mountains to the East. It is strongly believed that no Christian perished in the holocaust that followed, whereas hundreds of thousands of unrepentant Jews either died or were sold into slavery.

If this happened in the first century, it is highly likely that the rest of the passage was also fulfilled in the first century... and many believe this is the case. For further information, read Josephus' The Wars of the Jews.

it confuses some because he was answering two questions when Will Jerusalem be destroyed as he was saying ? And also when would his coming and the end of the world be ?

“And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be?

and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it holds both answers both what happened to Jerusalem in 67-70 ad during romes siege and destruction of Jerusalem

but then he also answers the other question. Jerusalem a destruction would be the “beginning of sorrows “ it would happen first to Jerusalem and they would be scattered into the nations (?dispersion ) carrying the gospel into the. Nations to accomplish this

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

which would bring his second coming when the world will be destroyed like Jerusalem was everything began when they crucified him and would play out both immediately upon Jerusalem in their generation and then would play out also in all the world in the long run. After the gospel had been witnessed in all the nations

notice it’s not linear but it overlaps

 

[Thewatchman]

consider this parable ( and the ot prophecies ) of what left israel desolate

“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.( early prophets )

Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.( latter prophets )

But last of all he sent unto them his son, ( Jesus ) saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:33-43‬ ‭

even today as we speak there is a Muslim mosque sitting in Jerusalem’s Temple Mount declaring “ God certainly has no son “

just something to consider soon after Jesus was raised up Jerusalem was destroyed as he said it would be and the gospel of the kingdom was sent into the world welcoming all who believe.

No it is not about Daniel 9:27 nor will there be a Temple of God rebuilt.
The Jews may build a great building and again offer sacrifices but God will not be there nor accept their sacrifices. To do so would be blaspheme.
Anti does not mean instead, but against.
Everything he does will be against the teachings of Christ and he will make that very plain.

 

[cv5]

There is a key bit of information in the middle of the passage quoted in the OP...

"then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains"

This happened in 70 AD, just prior to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman armies. The Christians who lived in Jerusalem fled to Pella, in the mountains to the East. It is strongly believed that no Christian perished in the holocaust that followed, whereas hundreds of thousands of unrepentant Jews either died or were sold into slavery.

If this happened in the first century, it is highly likely that the rest of the passage was also fulfilled in the first century... and many believe this is the case. For further information, read Josephus' The Wars of the Jews.

There's no possible way you can come to that conclusion by any other means than turning a blind eye to the context. Jesus takes great pains to reference Daniel 12:11.....which of course has not happened yet. And it certainly did not happen in 70 A.D.

 

[Nehemiah6]

No it is not about Daniel 9:27 nor will there be a Temple of God rebuilt. The Jews may build a great building and again offer sacrifices but God will not be there nor accept their sacrifices. To do so would be blaspheme.

We need to be clear that regardless of how and why the temple in Jerusalem was desecrated it was still technically "the temple of God". So even when unbelieving Jews build the third temple in Jerusalem (of their own will), and even when the Antichrist defiles that temple, it is still correctly called "the temple of God" (though God had nothing to do with its building).

Also the Greek antichristos means both (a) instead of and (b) opposed to Christ.* Therefore a renegade Jew will present himself to the Jews in Israel as their "true" Messiah. He comes instead of Jesus Christ and he also comes to oppose Christ and God, and insist on being worshipped as God (along with Satan). The Abomination of Desolation will be an animated image of the Antichrist, and it will be worshipped worldwide.

* Strong's Concordance
antichristos: antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)
Original Word: ἀντίχριστος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: antichristos
Phonetic Spelling: (an-tee'-khris-tos)
Definition: antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)
Usage: antichrist, either one who puts himself in the place of, or the enemy (opponent) of the Messiah.

 

[JStates]

The Temple Mount is not where the Second Temple was. The Temple was in the City of David; the Scriptures make this clear. Jesus said not one stone would remain upon another, and this is what actually happened. All that is left of the real Temple site is the stone foundation, into which animal pens and blood channels were carved. The site is known.

The so-called "Temple Mount" and the so-called "Western Wall" are remnants of the Roman fortress encampment Antonia.

When the "Third Temple" is rebuilt, understand that the group building it is not serving God but mocking the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. This will be the beginning of the One World Order inclusive religious system that will seek to exterminate Christians. The Antichrist will ascend in the "Third Temple" and claim to be God.

 

[Dino246]

There's no possible way you can come to that conclusion by any other means than turning a blind eye to the context. Jesus takes great pains to reference Daniel 12:11.....which of course has not happened yet.

Your impossibility is my reality.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days.

Compare Mark's record of the Olivet discourse with Luke's, wherein the 'desolation' is connected to Jerusalem being surrounded by armies (21:20).

And it certainly did not happen in 70 A.D.

Of course it didn't all happen in 70; 1290 days is 3-1/2 years. It began in the autumn of 66 and culminated in 70.

Does "All who are in Judea, flee to the mountains" make sense today? Not for 99% of Christians. Did it make sense in 70? Yes, absolutely. Do we have to make sense of the rest of the passage in order for part of it to have been fulfilled? No.

A simple question for you: Have you read The Wars of the Jews? If not, please do so before responding further.

 

[cv5]

Your impossibility is my reality.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days.

Compare Mark's record of the Olivet discourse with Luke's, wherein the 'desolation' is connected to Jerusalem being surrounded by armies (21:20).


Of course it didn't all happen in 70; 1290 days is 3-1/2 years. It began in the autumn of 66 and culminated in 70.

Does "All who are in Judea, flee to the mountains" make sense today? Not for 99% of Christians. Did it make sense in 70? Yes, absolutely. Do we have to make sense of the rest of the passage in order for part of it to have been fulfilled? No.

A simple question for you: Have you read The Wars of the Jews? If not, please do so before responding further.

Look man......the AofD did not happen and 70AD. Despite what the preterists say. Josephus never stated that it happened either. No one else has ever presented any evidence that the AofD happened in 70AD either. The AoD Jesus speaks about in Mark 13 is yet future.

 

[RichMan]

We need to be clear that regardless of how and why the temple in Jerusalem was desecrated it was still technically "the temple of God". So even when unbelieving Jews build the third temple in Jerusalem (of their own will), and even when the Antichrist defiles that temple, it is still correctly called "the temple of God" (though God had nothing to do with its building).

Also the Greek antichristos means both (a) instead of and (b) opposed to Christ.* Therefore a renegade Jew will present himself to the Jews in Israel as their "true" Messiah. He comes instead of Jesus Christ and he also comes to oppose Christ and God, and insist on being worshipped as God (along with Satan). The Abomination of Desolation will be an animated image of the Antichrist, and it will be worshipped worldwide.

* Strong's Concordance
antichristos: antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)
Original Word: ἀντίχριστος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: antichristos
Phonetic Spelling: (an-tee'-khris-tos)
Definition: antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)
Usage: antichrist, either one who puts himself in the place of, or the enemy (opponent) of the Messiah.

The anti-christ will come out of Islam and will not claim to be Christ.
He will denounce the Jews, Christians, and demand all worship him.
He will never offer peace to Israel.
His goal from day one is to attack and kill every Jew.
When Israel flees into the wilderness under God's protection, he than turns on the saints.
Temple?
They can call it what they wish, it will not be holy because God will not be there nor accept any worship that takes place there.

 

[JTB]

There is a key bit of information in the middle of the passage quoted in the OP...

"then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains"

This happened in 70 AD, just prior to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman armies. The Christians who lived in Jerusalem fled to Pella, in the mountains to the East. It is strongly believed that no Christian perished in the holocaust that followed, whereas hundreds of thousands of unrepentant Jews either died or were sold into slavery.

If this happened in the first century, it is highly likely that the rest of the passage was also fulfilled in the first century... and many believe this is the case. For further information, read Josephus' The Wars of the Jews.

That's only half of the story.

God offered the messiah to the Jews and they rejected Him. For that they had their tribulation in 70 ad.

God then offered the Christ to the world. The world is rejecting Him and will suffer it's tribulation in the days to come.

God's word is eternal. One manifestation does not render it moot.

 

[cv5]

The Temple Mount is not where the Second Temple was. The Temple was in the City of David; the Scriptures make this clear. Jesus said not one stone would remain upon another, and this is what actually happened. All that is left of the real Temple site is the stone foundation, into which animal pens and blood channels were carved. The site is known.

The so-called "Temple Mount" and the so-called "Western Wall" are remnants of the Roman fortress encampment Antonia.

That portion of your comment is absolutely correct. What people think today is the Temple Mount is unquestionably 35 acre Antonia Fortress......a typical Roman garrison of standard design.

The Roman garrison sat above the Temple and there was a stairwell leading DOWN to the Temple.
This is made clear in Acts 21:32, 35 "the stairs", 40 "Paul stood on the stairs"

 

[Dino246]

Look man......the AofD did not happen and 70AD. Despite what the preterists say. Josephus never stated that it happened either. No one else has ever presented any evidence that the AofD happened in 70AD either. The AoD Jesus speaks about in Mark 13 is yet future.

Thanks for your opinions.

 

[Dino246]

That's only half of the story.

God offered the messiah to the Jews and they rejected Him. For that they had their tribulation in 70 ad.

God then offered the Christ to the world. The world is rejecting Him and will suffer it's tribulation in the days to come.

God's word is eternal. One manifestation does not render it moot.

However, one cannot simply assume that prophecy has multiple fulfillments. Just because we don't see how something has been fulfilled to our satisfaction doesn't mean it hasn't. If we hold to that attitude, we are in exactly the same position as the Pharisees, for whom Jesus 'didn't fit'.

 

[SomeDisciple]

Does "All who are in Judea, flee to the mountains" make sense today? Not for 99% of Christians.

How does it not make sense? Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Do we have to make sense of the rest of the passage in order for part of it to have been fulfilled? No.

If the scripture says "let him who reads understand"... then yeah... we probably should try to understand- whether you think it has already been fulfilled or not.

 

[Dino246]

How does it not make sense? Seems pretty straightforward to me.

If the scripture says "let him who reads understand"... then yeah... we probably should try to understand- whether you think it has already been fulfilled or not.

If stuff hits the fan, are you going to get yourself to Judea, and then flee to the mountains? Probably not. Nor are most other Christians. Of course, if you are, then it makes sense to you.

Understanding Scripture means understanding that some things have already happened. It would be ludicrous to interpret the prophecies of the coming Messiah to mean that He has not yet come. However, because some things have not happened in the way that some people think they should (according to their interpretation), they preach that those things have not happened at all.

Just like today's unrepentant Jews.

 

[SomeDisciple]

If stuff hits the fan, are you going to get yourself to Judea, and then flee to the mountains?

No... but if for some reason I do find myself in Judea, I would get out of there. Do you think the first century Christians outside of Judea went to Judea, and then fled to the mountains? I pretty sure they just stayed where they were.