Jesus said understand it and know it! Do you?
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Luke 17:25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
-What "generation"?
Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
-Our generation didn't kill nor crucified prophets, as described, so we are not the "generation of vipers". And Jesus said the Tribulation would come on the generation of vipers, which was them, not us.
Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
-The destruction of the Temple confirms that "all these things" already came on the "generation of vipers" back then, and their house was left "desolate". The "jews" who call themselves jews and are not, were left with the pagan wall of Fort Antonia, because they rejected the King of the Jews, and pledged allegiance to king Ceasar, and so they were handed over to their abominations:
John 19:15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.
-What "generation"?
Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
-Our generation didn't kill nor crucified prophets, as described, so we are not the "generation of vipers". And Jesus said the Tribulation would come on the generation of vipers, which was them, not us.
Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
-The destruction of the Temple confirms that "all these things" already came on the "generation of vipers" back then, and their house was left "desolate". The "jews" who call themselves jews and are not, were left with the pagan wall of Fort Antonia, because they rejected the King of the Jews, and pledged allegiance to king Ceasar, and so they were handed over to their abominations:
John 19:15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.
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The preterist ignores the biblical concept of "generation" and ignores prophecy to pretend things that never happened, happened already.
"generation of vipers"= "brood of vipers" = "offspring" of vipers.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Seems to me like Jesus isn't talking about the first AD millenials- he's talking about the offspring of Satan in general. The generation of vipers is still here.
The preterists that deny the resurrection aren't any better off than the Jews; they're both gonna have a wall of brimstone to wail at eventually. The destruction of the temple confirms the destruction of the temple- and that's it.
"generation of vipers"= "brood of vipers" = "offspring" of vipers.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Seems to me like Jesus isn't talking about the first AD millenials- he's talking about the offspring of Satan in general. The generation of vipers is still here.
The preterists that deny the resurrection aren't any better off than the Jews; they're both gonna have a wall of brimstone to wail at eventually. The destruction of the temple confirms the destruction of the temple- and that's it.
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Can you quote even a single self-identified preterist who ignores your "biblical concept of 'generation'" rather than rejecting it?
That doesn't even make sense. If you think it does, please provide evidence.
In the KJV, "generation" appears 38 times. In the NASB, it appears 37 times; your example does not. A single case that is not even translated consistently across English versions is very thin evidence on which to base the claim of "the biblical concept".
Please identify any such preterist, with evidence of their denial.
That doesn't even make sense. If you think it does, please provide evidence.
In the KJV, "generation" appears 38 times. In the NASB, it appears 37 times; your example does not. A single case that is not even translated consistently across English versions is very thin evidence on which to base the claim of "the biblical concept".
Please identify any such preterist, with evidence of their denial.
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Because many , maybe most of the elect today have very little understanding of the nature or teachings of Christ.
The evidence is in the fact that they are deceived by the many false teachers on the internet, TV, and local assemblies.
Another evidence is the lack of understanding of so many on this sight, as evidenced by their questions and answers.
The evidence is in the fact that they are deceived by the many false teachers on the internet, TV, and local assemblies.
Another evidence is the lack of understanding of so many on this sight, as evidenced by their questions and answers.
they were also allowed repentance afterwards “ forgive them for they know not what they do “
so afterwards those same that chanted “ crucify him crucify him are still
Offered repentance. Individually not as a nation.
The gospel was still afterward preached to both Jew and gentile even today anyone can repent and convert to Christ even in that generation
“The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; and killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; and he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, ( not Moses but Abraham ) And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
Acts 3:13-15, 17-26
if they repented and believes the gospel then and many did they would be saved and if any man repents and believes the gospel now they will Be saved the same because ultimately both Jew and gentile are responsable for christs death and suffering. Jew accused and condemned and gentile best and crucified him at thier request
it’s only the gospel That matters now for Jew or gentile male or female
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27-29 KJV
so afterwards those same that chanted “ crucify him crucify him are still
Offered repentance. Individually not as a nation.
The gospel was still afterward preached to both Jew and gentile even today anyone can repent and convert to Christ even in that generation
“The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; and killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; and he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, ( not Moses but Abraham ) And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
Acts 3:13-15, 17-26
if they repented and believes the gospel then and many did they would be saved and if any man repents and believes the gospel now they will Be saved the same because ultimately both Jew and gentile are responsable for christs death and suffering. Jew accused and condemned and gentile best and crucified him at thier request
it’s only the gospel That matters now for Jew or gentile male or female
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27-29 KJV
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Ok now i see where perhaps i went wrong in addressing the understanding of anti-christ.
In todays society we see the promotion of ....self love and positive thinking which many churches have embraced as a type of cure for anxiety and depression (just to keep it short).
The Lord said "come to me all who are heavy laden and i will give you rest".
Anti can and does mean instead of God and against God.
The man of sin is very crafty in his ways. It would be foolish to think he directly opposes God at first but his language directs the weak minded and weak studied believers to another alternative other than God.
We see that today with political slogans like make america great again, build back better.
Come on we can do this.
No they cant no we cant only God can if he wills it.
In todays society we see the promotion of ....self love and positive thinking which many churches have embraced as a type of cure for anxiety and depression (just to keep it short).
The Lord said "come to me all who are heavy laden and i will give you rest".
Anti can and does mean instead of God and against God.
The man of sin is very crafty in his ways. It would be foolish to think he directly opposes God at first but his language directs the weak minded and weak studied believers to another alternative other than God.
We see that today with political slogans like make america great again, build back better.
Come on we can do this.
No they cant no we cant only God can if he wills it.
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“This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.”
2 Corinthians 13:1 KJV
luke 21 is the same event just adding seperate details , same with mark 13 we’re meant to take all three gospel accounts ( johns being for a different purpose ) in to have a fuller understanding of three witnesses remembering Matthew was the only one present being the only apostle of the three.
beginning here in mark
“And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, Tell us, when shall these things be?
and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled? And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:”
Mark 13:2-5 KJV
Here in luke
“And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said, As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be?
and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass? And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived:..
Luke 21:5-7 KJV
and here in Matthew
“And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be?
and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.”
Matthew 24:2-4 KJV
It seems it must be important because he is telling them and us , us not to be deceived.
my own thought is it’s not meant to choose one account but accept all three so we have a fuller understanding of what Jesus said as each account holds some different details of what was said . that’s just my own thinking we all seem To have different ways of understanding which we are entitled to.
They are really
Consistent in what he’s saying but offer details in each that the others don’t completely hold , and the epistles later bear it all Out with further details pertaining to his coming.
my own view is we should just let it all
In and let it become what we believe and not try to make others see what we do but just share it amongst believers
2 Corinthians 13:1 KJV
luke 21 is the same event just adding seperate details , same with mark 13 we’re meant to take all three gospel accounts ( johns being for a different purpose ) in to have a fuller understanding of three witnesses remembering Matthew was the only one present being the only apostle of the three.
beginning here in mark
“And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, Tell us, when shall these things be?
and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled? And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:”
Mark 13:2-5 KJV
Here in luke
“And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said, As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be?
and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass? And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived:..
Luke 21:5-7 KJV
and here in Matthew
“And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be?
and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.”
Matthew 24:2-4 KJV
It seems it must be important because he is telling them and us , us not to be deceived.
my own thought is it’s not meant to choose one account but accept all three so we have a fuller understanding of what Jesus said as each account holds some different details of what was said . that’s just my own thinking we all seem To have different ways of understanding which we are entitled to.
They are really
Consistent in what he’s saying but offer details in each that the others don’t completely hold , and the epistles later bear it all Out with further details pertaining to his coming.
my own view is we should just let it all
In and let it become what we believe and not try to make others see what we do but just share it amongst believers
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Matthew 24:24 says "if it were possible" .
I understand that to teach us that it really is not possible to deceive a true believer.
The Holy Spirit that dwells in every believer will not allow it.
You probably accept the false teaching that the anti-christ will establish a seven year peace treaty.
I believe when he comes, he will immediately gather his Islamic brothers and attack Israel, driving them into the wilderness and then turns his wrath on the saints for 1260 days.
If the Lord did not return at this time, he would succeed in killing all saints and destroying Israel.
When the anti-christ comes, is agenda will be immediately known.
I understand that to teach us that it really is not possible to deceive a true believer.
The Holy Spirit that dwells in every believer will not allow it.
You probably accept the false teaching that the anti-christ will establish a seven year peace treaty.
I believe when he comes, he will immediately gather his Islamic brothers and attack Israel, driving them into the wilderness and then turns his wrath on the saints for 1260 days.
If the Lord did not return at this time, he would succeed in killing all saints and destroying Israel.
When the anti-christ comes, is agenda will be immediately known.