JOHN HAGEE - JIMMY and DONNY SWAGGART

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JesusIsAll

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Hagee is pro gospel, but airs segments that get the most attention from viewers. It's a bit like the NFL games airing the most interesting commercials. When I open up his regular sermons he's a gospel preacher. He's for Jesus. Luke 9:49-50 (KJV)
[SUP]49 [/SUP] And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. [SUP]50 [/SUP] And Jesus said unto him,
Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

I believe it's best not to condemn any ministry that promotes the gospel of Christ. Jesus says leave them alone.
I see this the same way, though not a follower of Hagee, have seen him preach maybe a half dozen times, and it was the true gospel. Nobody is right about all doctrines, beyond the basic doctrines, a number of things there are only one's most plausible explanations, which can be wrong, which there are legitimate disagreements over among the saved. I've also seen Billy Graham, John MacArthur and Jack Van Impe lumped in with frauds and apostates, strongly disagree with what is slander and throwing stones over a whole lot to do over nothing, at faithful preachers of the gospel that saves. Satan also wants to discredit the faithful, "devil" means "slanderer," never forget. Which of you stand behind everything you've ever said? If there's a measure we're being held to perfection, to being 100% right, we may as all just forget about the faith, as the persistently imperfect damned in the flesh, wondering what Christ died for. Of course, that would be grotesque error, like a lot of things you see posted here.

Whatever, I don't see what is inconsistent that demons are fallen angels, though. God surely did not create inherently evil beings, to do all the things He hates. There had to be a rebellion. There are warring angels in scripture, and, just as Satan is called the devil, why not his follower angels demons? Also, hellfire is prepared for the devil and his angels: you'd not think, okay, the devil and his angels are accounted for, but demons some different evil beings, given a pass, or unaccounted for, of the damned spirits in scripture? These things make no sense. It would be very simple, were there a distinction, to say that everlasting fire is prepared for the devil, his angels and the demons. At very least there's no reason to make claims demons are something else, absent proof. In Matthew 8:29, the possessing devils also asked not to be tormented, before their time, which is consistent with the ultimate lake of fire judgement.

Catchy idea for a book, but not to be mistaken for sound theology, and why it's needed, when there are those struggling with Sunday School theology? What difference does it make, anyway, when how many angels can dance on the head of a pin is yet unresolved?
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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#42
actually the bible technically doesn't say that demons are satan's fallen angels...although it is strongly implied...and the various inspired authors appear to have assumed that the reader already understood that demons are satan's fallen angels...

oh also regarding jimmy swaggart...i remember him saying that after he went to prison he started really reading the bible and renounced many of the controversial things he had been teaching...
 
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3Scoreand10

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#43
Hagee had an affair with a young church member.
He later devorced his wife, left his 2 children and married that young lady.
He than started his present church.
According to Bible standards for bring a pastor, he is not qualified.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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#44
I don't believe Swaggart went to prison though many others including Jim Bakker did and I know that I shouldn't laugh but I can't help it when I thing about those two immoral "pastors" (e.g. Jimmy Swaggart and Marvin Gorman) taking each other out. Lol. Fools.


oh also regarding jimmy swaggart...i remember him saying that after he went to prison he started really reading the bible and renounced many of the controversial things he had been teaching...
 
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actually the bible technically doesn't say that demons are satan's fallen angels...although it is strongly implied...and the various inspired authors appear to have assumed that the reader already understood that demons are satan's fallen angels....
Hebrews 12:22 (KJV) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

1/3 of an innumerable company of angels is how many? That's how many left with Satan. Makes one wonder what they're doing right now & to whom.
 
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#46
actually the bible technically doesn't say that demons are satan's fallen angels...although it is strongly implied...and the various inspired authors appear to have assumed that the reader already understood that demons are satan's fallen angels...

oh also regarding jimmy swaggart...i remember him saying that after he went to prison he started really reading the bible and renounced many of the controversial things he had been teaching...
Swaggert never served time, are you talking about Jim Bakker?
 
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I don't believe Swaggart went to prison though many others including Jim Bakker did and I know that I shouldn't laugh but I can't help it when I thing about those two immoral "pastors" (e.g. Jimmy Swaggart and Marvin Gorman) taking each other out. Lol. Fools.

Yeah, the church could not get a better real live example of James 3.13-16 if they asked for it.

Swaggert annoys me for another reason, Him and his boy and all his preachers cannot get Jesus off the cross.
 
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Jasher

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#49
Even you classify all of the different kinds of "Angels" as angels. So what is your point? Angels have eternal bodies and mankind has temporal bodies. That is the difference.
 
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kaylagrl

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#52
Mr. Hagee was on the Daystar Christian TV
the other day promoting his new book.

Mr. Hagee stated that demons were not angels or fallen angels
as he referred to them. He went on to state that it is not recorded
in the bible what they were or where they came from.

So my first question is how does he know they are not angels that
rebelled from God? Since he does not know?

He then stated that angels or fallen angels as he referred to them could not
possess or inhabit a human body. He said they had bodies of their own.

Both Jimmy and Donny Swaggart on the Francis and Friends program on their
broadcasting Christian TV channel, stated the same thing.

That demons were not angels and that angels could not
possess or inhabit a human body.

Not only do they not know one way or the other if demons are fallen angels.

They do not know what is recorded or believe what is recorded in the bible.

In several places in the bible angels inhabited the bodies of humans.

Even the devil, Satan inhabited the body of Judas as recorded in the Book of Luke.

Luke 22:3
Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot,
being of the number of the twelve.


Why do these men tell these lies?
Swaggart ruined his testimony long ago. Falling is one thing but refusing correction,when he expected it of others,made him lose out with God and lose any credibility with most people. He should not be in the ministry as far as Im concerned.I wouldnt listen to a thing he had to say.

Haggee on the other hand Ive met in person. I dont know that I would agree with all he preaches but he seemed to know the Bible well. I agree with a lot he preaches,specifically his support of Israel. Do have a link to what was said on Daystar? I know people that are involved in running it and family members have been on there.
 
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3Scoreand10

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#53
Swaggart ruined his testimony long ago. Falling is one thing but refusing correction,when he expected it of others,made him lose out with God and lose any credibility with most people. He should not be in the ministry as far as Im concerned.I wouldnt listen to a thing he had to say.

Haggee on the other hand Ive met in person. I dont know that I would agree with all he preaches but he seemed to know the Bible well. I agree with a lot he preaches,specifically his support of Israel. Do have a link to what was said on Daystar? I know people that are involved in running it and family members have been on there.
These tv networks and these men are all about making money.
No doubt there may be some truth preached, but very little.
The heresy they preach and the con men they promote is for more damaging than the little good they do.
You and your family should stay away.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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#55
The best part of that was when he stood up in the private plane his ministry owned on the way to do a crusade and began berating the overseers the Assemblies of God had assigned to evaluate him telling them he (e.g. Jimmy Swaggart) was the "voice of God" and not them. Lol. What an ego maniac.


Swaggart ruined his testimony long ago. Falling is one thing but refusing correction,when he expected it of others,made him lose out with God and lose any credibility with most people. .
 

Jruiz

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Is there anyone else you folks would like to go after and slander? Must be another full moon tonite. You want blood, I suggest that you bite and devour each other right here on CC, at least the one you slander can defend themselves.
What about the Jim baker show? John shorey,Rick Joyner? Are these false prophets,out for your money as well?
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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You have to take each of them, one at a time, and investigate both their teaching and behavior in order to make an accurate assessment.


What about the Jim baker show? John shorey,Rick Joyner? Are these false prophets,out for your money as well?
 
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What about the Jim baker show? John shorey,Rick Joyner? Are these false prophets,out for your money as well?
Jim Bakker is clouded by the deception of the last days coming at any minute. He is among many that have fallen into the ditch of Jonathan Cahn and his Harbinger fiction book. I read Harbinger and while I could not stomach it, I made it through the book I gave it back to a Pastor friend who told me to read it.

Bakker has also claimed he is being told when Jesus returns :rolleyes:

In the cases of Swaggert and Bakker people should simply turn them off and that would end their "stardom"

I do not beleive Swaggert should even be a minister, since he refused proper restoration from the Denomination that ordained him.
 
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kaylagrl

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#60
These tv networks and these men are all about making money.
No doubt there may be some truth preached, but very little.
The heresy they preach and the con men they promote is for more damaging than the little good they do.
You and your family should stay away.

Id agree with that for the most part.I must admit I dont have the Daystar network on my cable package,just simply a couple of family members have sung on there. Very little I support on "religious" tv.