KJV translators weren't KJV only!

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Nehemiah6

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Thus, in the ESV, there is a contradiction between Galatians 2:11 and John 5:24.
They are not even the same Greek words, just the same English words. In John 5:24 the word is κρίσιν (krisin). Therefore THERE IS NO CONFLICT.
 

fredoheaven

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Not in my opinion; for it agrees in essence with the kjv; which says that he "was to be blamed".
I would think the KJV has all the precision regards to "was to be blamed" NLT fall short since anyone could be wrong but cannot be put to be blamed". While the message is quite true that Peter did wrong but this was not done unknowingly. He did was compelling the Gentiles to live like a Jew that's is why Paul withstood him and the matter he was to be blamed. I believe, the KJV is still precise in its translation of Gal.2:11 God bless
 

Dino246

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Believe what you want to believe.

I don't think that I am being stubborn...

I just think that any other point of view has not been shown to me to be superior to my own.

Because if that were to occur, I would change my point of view.
Fair enough. :)
 

justbyfaith

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They are not even the same Greek words, just the same English words. In John 5:24 the word is κρίσιν (krisin). Therefore THERE IS NO CONFLICT.
The Greek has nothing to do with it. The point that is being made is that there is a change in doctrine from translation to translation.
 

Dino246

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The Greek has nothing to do with it. The point that is being made is that there is a change in doctrine from translation to translation.
No; there is no change in doctrine. You can claim it all you like, but it just ain't so.

One does not make doctrine on a single verse, which is what you are doing. "Condemn" does not always mean what you claim that it means. You must consider the use of the word in that translation, not in another translation.
 

justbyfaith

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No; there is no change in doctrine. You can claim it all you like, but it just ain't so.

One does not make doctrine on a single verse, which is what you are doing. "Condemn" does not always mean what you claim that it means. You must consider the use of the word in that translation, not in another translation.
Yes; there is a change in doctrine between the kjv and the ESV of Galatians 2:11.

In the ESV, it teaches that a believer can stand condemned; while in the kjv, it does not teach that.

In that verse specifically, the doctrine is different from translation to translation.

Galatians 2:11, I am certain, is only one example of this.
 

Lanolin

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I think you just need to be careful of the newer translations that they are not departing from doctrine, but it is very difficult to know from a choppy translation what has been cut out or omitted or glossed over.

Unless you compare them with something, and most ppl compare other bibles to KJV being one of the earliest and widely available bibles in English.

The other way is just to read the entire Bible version and hope that it makes sense, or ask God about tricky passages. Usually scriptrue will cross reference other scriptures. If thees inconsistencies or things just make you scratch your head and go what?!

Then you may have a dud translation. I found this with NIV. It was purportedly easier to read than KJV but I found it harder. It just didnt make any sense. But reading KJV, everything clicked. It was like the holy spirit had illuminated the Bible for me.
 

de-emerald

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Nobody has argued, and fought, and debated, and quarreled, and misrepresented, and misinterpreted, and was at odds with each other over a book more than the Bible.
How many people forget God is light, or how many people forget to take there thoughts captive...
 

de-emerald

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Firstly, this is not a primary matter of the Christian faith. It doesn't affect my walk with God at all.

Secondly, comparing one English translation to another English translation does not tell you which is correct; it only tells you that there is a difference. Those with an understanding of the textual issues behind the different English translations aren't overly concerned about this.

Thirdly, I have to wonder exactly who is behind this attempt to divide Christians from each other.
You may not feel its an important issue but for truth seekers it could be and it would be a good idea to think other people may just be worried.. but as usual you jump to conclusions
 

de-emerald

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we are greater then the bible.We are the living word.
amen brother all tho some people would find fault in this.... i understood what you ment here as greater is he who is in you. which is greater than the bible
 

de-emerald

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Yes, they can. Your ignorance of translational issues limits your understanding of this matter.
and your ignorance was also shown in your last post which is more to the point
 

de-emerald

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Dodging once again...not willing to answer because that would mean the other is not telling the truth.
he always dodgin and never admits his own fault.. always jumping to conclusion to and always finding incorrect fault in others,, i think he suffers with ocd snydrome whereby everyone has to pass a troll test with him first.. and hes the good sheperd behind it.
 

de-emerald

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How old was Ahaziah when he became king?

I am saddened that you keep on with these canards and do not have the integrity to apply the same set of standards to the KJV that you use for other translations. You are hypocritical.
The you word is word most used by the accuser who acusses brothers in christ day and night,, which you seem to do alot
 

de-emerald

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Ok i am working on my spelling.I'm like Mike Tyson at a spelling b,,,Grammar is not my strong suite.
he was hoping you would become prideful,, he gets desperate that way... well not him personaly but the thorn in his side tells him to do pride tests on people..
 

de-emerald

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Why do you find it necessary to belittle others? Are you something special? Did I "act like I'm something special" in advising Rayzor to check his spelling? No.
There you go again three insults in one sentence,,, from where im looking you suffer with this problem.. and your baiting tactics are obvious