Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"
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Agreed. We have them in Scripture, even future prophecy. These things will come to pass because God has declared it to be. These things were known of God from the beginning.
18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
Ephesians 1:4-5
Romans 8:29-30
Isaiah 44:7- one of the evidences that God gives that there is no one like Him, is that He knows and can declare the future. Are you going to put limitations on this Divine Perfection?
Isaiah 46:9-10
Isaiah 41:23
God can and has declared the future. It’s called prophecy. The things He has declared will take place.
So you don’t think God knows who’s going to be saved and who’s not, until they get saved or die lost
That’s limiting God.
1¶Behold my servant, ( service ) whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles( Service)
This is what 'elect 'means .
I gave several scriptures to John 14:6. And you said you weren’t an open theist. To say that God has limited foreknowledge is open theism.
Yes. God God could see the future before the fpundation of the world, just as He can now. If He couldn’t, that would amount to Him learning new things and increasing in knowledge.
Does God increase in knowledge? That would imply imperfection in knowledge. Which is open theism
So you are correct. God foreknew all things from eternity past.
And if God has perfect foreknowledge of all things, that includes those He will adopt.
The knowledge in Gal. 4 is speaking of relationship. Not the same thing that I’m talking about.
In my opinion, Repentance is surrendering whole-heartedly to Jesus Christ while knowing that you are a sinner.
I haven't said anything about ' limited knowledge ' ect . I'm bound by what is revealed in the scriptures ,and trying to avoid speculation and assumptions.
If its Israel, Jews, individuals, whoever is being addressed its not ' to salvation ' ,but to service and purpose . I don't see anywhere that elect means ' to be converted'
I don't think we have a scripture which says that . It says God chose to predestine those in Christ to the future adoption. Rom 8 .23 . I see Jesus as the elect, preexisting one before the foundation of the world . He was there . God purposed that those in Christ would recieve all spiritual blessings in him .
God does not need to doubt the plan . Jesus would not fail . The Holy Spirit did not fail . Millions of People believe . As God planned would happen . People would believe.
Surely without going into philosophy and speculation, its clear we didn't exist before the foundation. But obviously Jesus did . From this we can see that we need to be born first before we have the option to choose God ?
Isaiah chapters 40-48
Now, if God knows infallibly the future, it follows He knows what He is going to do.
How can God know infallibly what He will do, if He hasn’t chosen/elected to do it yet?