Mystery Babylon

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Another way to look at it is that Rome is that City. The Vatican, with its courts and walls, and veils and altars..., is the Temple within that city. Vatican City is the temple where the Man of Sin resides.
Which spirit are you being inspired by to write the above, as it's certainly not the Holy Spirit?

No one can understand scripture without guidance from the Holy Spirit.
 

Nebuchadnezzer

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Im not lumping you with them its just an observation. I think a few posters had posted links to sda sites regarding mystery babylon thats all. SDAS are quite vociferous about catholicism being the whore and sunday worship being the mark of the beast.
Never heard that before that sunday worship is the mark of the beast.
I guess if Saturday worship is 777 than that would make Friday Worship 666 and Sunday worship 111. So I don't see how it fits, lol.
 

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Another way to look at it is that Rome is that City. The Vatican, with its courts and walls, and veils and altars..., is the Temple within that city. Vatican City is the temple where the Man of Sin resides.

Many other denominations which are considered to be different or reformed from the RCC are really still in allegiance to Rome.
Which spirit are you being inspired by to write the above, as it's certainly not the Holy Spirit?
So I have only come across two theories on who might be the Man of Sin.
1) a singular person who is still to the future who will stand in a future built temple for the Jews in Israel and will deceive them and the world into believing he is the true messiah.
2) The holder of the papal thrown in the Roman Catholic Church.

So what are you saying, that anyone who does not believe in point 1) is not saved?
 

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Oh, I forgot
3) I heard preterists say the Man of Sin was Emperor Nero.
 

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Oh, I forgot
3) I heard preterists say the Man of Sin was Emperor Nero.
Im not really following sorry.

This thread is about mystery babylon, how does that relate to the above. Arent there seven heads and ten horns representing kings, so 17 altogther, on this beast theres not just one single person. Theres only one woman riding this beast though, the whore.
 

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Interesting thread!!
In my limited knowledge I can see an argument for it being the pope; I see him exalted by Catholics.
 

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Im not really following sorry.

This thread is about mystery babylon, how does that relate to the above. Arent there seven heads and ten horns representing kings, so 17 altogther, on this beast theres not just one single person. Theres only one woman riding this beast though, the whore.
If the Whore of Babylon is the Roman Catholic Church, then the Man of Lawlessness is the man siting in the papal thrown.

But you seem to be confused by who this woman is. So let's look at this from another way.

Who is this woman, and where did she come from?
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The beast is called the man of perdition. It is a human who is actually possessed by satan himself.

And yes, scripture speaks of him, Jesus said when he is overthrown, him and the false prophet will be cast into hell on the spot. And satan will be bound for 1000 years.
Question - does the man do this willingly? Or is he forced?
 

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Please follow this four (4) step process:

1) Pray for the power of the Holy Spirit to guide and teach you, and to open your eyes to the truth.

2)
Carefully Read
1 John 4:1-3
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

3)
Now carefully study this article about the "Virgin Mary" Apparitions.
https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/world-map-marian-apparitions

4) now see if you can piece it together, friend!
 

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Hmm am abit slow. There havent been any marian apparitions recorded in my neck of the woods. Dont catholics acknowledge that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, certainly if it was Mary she would because she gave birth to him. Its not any other spirit...otherwise how would they know it was Mary?

Im sure theres probably lots of other spirits people have seen but these are all in regards to Mary, mother of Jesus. Surely you are not suggesting Jesus own mother was a whore.
 

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Hmm am abit slow. There havent been any marian apparitions recorded in my neck of the woods. Dont catholics acknowledge that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, certainly if it was Mary she would because she gave birth to him. Its not any other spirit...otherwise how would they know it was Mary?

Im sure theres probably lots of other spirits people have seen but these are all in regards to Mary, mother of Jesus. Surely you are not suggesting Jesus own mother was a whore.
Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God.

So many of these Marian Apparitions do NOT even acknowledge or glorify Jesus Christ. Instead they bring people to praise, worship "venerate", and give glory to this woman. Did you observe this yes or no?

Sometimes these Marian Apparitions show a woman holding a baby or child, but is that child really Jesus Christ? For example, is that how Jesus appeared to Thomas the Apostle after his resurrection - as a child? Is that how Jesus appeared to others after his resurrection - as a baby? Once again, do these apparitions bring praise and glory to only the child? or also to the woman?

So this child that the female apparition is holding, is that even Jesus Christ?
And this female apparition, is that even Mary the earthly mother of Jesus?

Bottom Line:
Marian apparitions are of God (if so, then you better start praying the rosary)

Or
Marian apparitions are of the devil. (than that woman is not Mary, but just some WHORE that is being worshipped)
 

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Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God.

So many of these Marian Apparitions do NOT even acknowledge or glorify Jesus Christ. Instead they bring people to praise, worship "venerate", and give glory to this woman. Did you observe this yes or no?

Sometimes these Marian Apparitions show a woman holding a baby or child, but is that child really Jesus Christ? For example, is that how Jesus appeared to Thomas the Apostle after his resurrection - as a child? Is that how Jesus appeared to others after his resurrection - as a baby? Once again, do these apparitions bring praise and glory to only the child? or also to the woman?

So this child that the female apparition is holding, is that even Jesus Christ?
And this female apparition, is that even Mary the earthly mother of Jesus?

Bottom Line:
Marian apparitions are of God (if so, then you better start praying the rosary)

Or
Marian apparitions are of the devil. (than that woman is not Mary, but just some WHORE that is being worshipped)
They are just reports of other people seeing Mary, its not any other spirit. Like they are not seeing the spirit of Pontius Pilate or Judas, for example. Or even samuel the prophet.

Am just pointing that out.
 

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The Mary "Mother of God" with a child apparitions and "miracles" associated with such (statues that bleed, etc.)
have a consistent religious symbology from Assyria [Nimrod] to the Roman Catholic Church.
I wonder if he, whose name can't be mentioned, is defending Mystery Babylon after the Reformation?
Although to be fair to RC's most Protestant churches have incorporated Babylonian rituals and festivals and continue in being
very very similar to Roman ways …

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Hmm ok but that doesnt negate the fact that Jesus had a mother called Mary.
If people want to show Mary in pictures with baby Jesus that doesnt mean they idolizing or worshipping her its just an illustration. some Bibles are illustrated. In the middle ages whole churches had biblical scenes painted on their walls . Just because other cultures had pictures or statues showing mothers and sons doesnt mean they just changed those to show Mary and baby Jesus.

Also when Jesus was transfigured on the mount, who did he see, and Peter and John too, it wss Elijah and Moses. How could they tell it was those two figures?
 
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Question - does the man do this willingly? Or is he forced?
The man of sin, New Age Christ, is not forced to be the man of sin, but is a choice he made because of the current believe system that became popular in the world, and God allows him to deceive the world so He can end this sin business on earth.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The new age movement false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, mysticism, and evolution, which they believe they can still evolve to be greater, and spiritual, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a teacher in the evolutionary process, enlightenment, and love, and an ascended master, and avatar, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process, who does not acknowledge a personal God, but honors the God of forces, or the power of nature as his higher power, and will claim to be God by harnessing the power of nature, evolving, and will share this power with all who follow him, which the Christ conscience will come upon them, and they will evolve like the man Jesus.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age movement is the future for this sinful world, and a stepping stone to the New Age Christ, and the time will come when the world will not endure the truth of the Bible, but want to hear it according to their own lusts, the new age movement interpretation of the Bible that exalts people by evolving to be greater, and spiritual, and there is no higher power above them.

Some people say one world government, New World Order, conspiracy this, and conspiracy that, but the new age movement is the agenda, and the conspiracy, which the powers to be, the ones that are really in charge want to establish the new age movement in the world as standard religion so they can produce the New Age Christ.

But they do not believe he will appear to help them to evolve to be greater, and spiritual, until the nations come together as one to try to establish peace on earth, which is why there is United Nations, and people working for the harmonizing of nations, and religions.

Alice Bailey, the biggest prophet of the new age movement wrote of this in her book of the coming one world government, unified religious system, and the New Age Christ, which she believes Lucifer was a Solar Angel that descended from Venus years ago to bring the principal of mind to the then animal-man, and will help them to evolve in the future, which that is how they interpret the Bible that Lucifer did not descend in to sin, and disgrace, but descended to Earth to help them to evolve.

It is obvious when the Roman Catholic Church accepted the Bible they did not get rid of their pagan ways, occult ways, and it became their foundation for interpreting scriptures.

Since the new age movement is the future for this world, and will try to convince the world that the truth of the Bible is about the occult, and evolution, then it will be a great spiritual leader that will be the leader of the unified religious system that is preaching the new age movement interpretation of the Bible, and since the Roman Catholic Church is pagan, and of the occult, it will be the Pope as the spiritual leader, and the Vatican as the headquarters, which they are changing the Vatican from within.

Many Catholics will not follow that Pope, neither will true saints, and neither Islam, and Judaism, but they will attack them one at a time to try to get rid of them, and many other religions will follow the Pope especially Hindu, and Buddhism, because he will not claim Jesus as Lord and Savior, although an important figure in the evolutionary process, and love, and teacher as well as many teachers.

The Pope is not the antichrist, but will be the false prophet representing the antichrist, New Age Christ.

Mystery Babylon is the unified religious system that involves all religions as part of it interpreted by the new age movement, and she rides the scarlet colored beast, which the new age movement is a stepping stone to the New Age Christ.

In Daniel 7 he has a vision of 4 beasts, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and the Roman Empire, which operated differently than each other which is the 4 ways of people, and even though they all went by the 4 ways 1 of those ways was their chief mode of operation, and the other 3 modes was a minor role compared to the chief mode.

Babylon, lion, represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man, which they had the revelation of the God of Israel and rode on eagle's wings, but blew it and became known as the kingdom of man.

Medo-Persia, bear, physical cruelty.

Greece, leopard, human wisdom.

Roman Empire, iron, pushing for power, world domination, which they shall devour the whole earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces, and out of the 4th beast came 10 horns, which is the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section, and the little horn, New Age Christ, comes from the 10 horns.

Which the first 3 beasts will never have physical dominion again, but their lives were prolonged for a time, and a season, which their ways are still on earth, and the Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts them down.

Which is why all 4 kingdoms are at the beast kingdom, for it is the Roman Empire, ten horns, the physical dominion of the beast kingdom, with the ways of Babylon, lion, Medo-Persia, bear, and Greece, leopard, the chief mode of operation of all 4 kingdoms with no minor mode of operation, the kingdom of man in it's entirety.

Since the Roman Empire has the dominion, and the Vatican, and Roman Catholic Church basically their religious system, then they will change along with them according to the new age movement.

In Daniel 2 he has the same vision of the 4 beasts but in the image of a statue of a man, and the image does not fall until the stone cut out of the mountain made without hands, Jesus, hits the image on the feet, ten toes, of the statue then the statue falls, and all 4 kingdoms fall.

For as long as the first 3 beasts, kingdoms, ways are on earth then they have not fallen yet, so Babylon in Revelation is Babylon in spirit, for she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man, which is what the beast kingdom is about, but the physical dominion is the Roman Empire.

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Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

But although the dominion is the Roman Empire as far as Italy is concerned there is others in league with her, and working with her, so she is not alone in this plan, and much bigger than in the past with more nations involved with her.

For these scriptures do not represent Italy, and the Vatican, as being like this above all nations in the world, for Babylon is a nation that caused the Babylonian system to come back, and Babylon represents anything goes multiculturism.

So this nation allowed all religions, and ethnic groups to be a part of her, did trade with the world, had money flowing through her like a raging river, a very rich country, that lived deliciously, and in pleasure, and her sins have reached unto heaven, involved in the heaping of money to themselves being rich, which the love of money is the root of all evil for it neglects the poor and needy, and loved material things, and fleshy pleasures, and worldliness, and entertainment, and allowed the new age movement to be taught in their country, and worked in the world for peace more than any other nation.

But she is in league with all those of the new age movement, and want to establish it in the world, which is what the Vatican wants now as they have been changed from within, and the Popes will bring it out slowly until the last Pope is the false prophet.

Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

God is going to give the world 7 years to have their way, and cause all people who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom then He will end this sin business on earth.

The New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East, and the nations will come together and say Peace and safety as they try to establish peace on earth, and the New Age Christ will work in the world as a great man of peace, but arms shall stand on his part, for those in league with him have the most access to modern day weapons, which the Roman Empire has the dominion, and Europe, and America, many modern day weapons, which all nations will be together including America.

The world will be split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, the 10 horns, and the new age movement the unified religious system, and all religions interpreted by them, based on the occult, and evolution, and not allowing the preaching of anything contrary.

The Pope will be the spiritual leader of the unified religious system, and the Vatican the headquarters, which is why they are pushing for the unification of Christian denominations, and the religions, paying a lot of attention to Islam for they are the most stubborn, and trying to win them over, but the Pope does not care about the Islam belief, for the new age movement is the plan which believes in no personal God, but the God of forces, the power of nature, evolution

The Arab nations will come together, with the nations, but the Muslims of those nations will say it is an insult to Allah concerning the unified religious system, and they cannot preach their religion to try to win converts, or it is a hate crime, and will feel they have no choice but to call a holy war, and fight the world, which the little horn, the New Age Christ plucks up 3 horns by the roots, and trumpet 6 describes nuclear weapons, which one third of the world perishes as a result of that war, which will be mainly in the Arab nations.

That war is so terrible that the world lost hope for there to be peace, and the ten horn kingdom failed at obtaining peace in the world, and turns to the New Age Christ as the solution to have peace on earth, which he claims to be God by harnessing the power of nature, and evolving, becoming greater, and above all humans, and there is no god above them, and the false prophet does miracles in the sight of people to convince the world that the New Age Christ did receive power through nature, and shared this power with the false prophet, and will share this power with all who follow him.

Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

The new age movement, unified religious system in the future is a stepping stone to the New Age Christ, and the ten horns hand their power over to him, and that is how he gets control of the world, and when the world follows the New Age Christ they have no need for the woman, whore, anymore for the new age movement could not cause them to evolve to be greater, and spiritual, but the New Age Christ will cause them to evolve.

So they get rid of the woman, Mystery Babylon, for they have no need for the unified religious system when the New Age Christ claims to be God by harnessing the power of nature, and evolving, to have the power to give to those that follow him.

So the woman is the unified religious system, Mystery Babylon, for Babylon has not fallen yet, for her ways are still on earth, and she represents human religion, and the occult, and the Roman Catholic Church is pagan, and of the occult, as their foundation in interpreting scriptures, so they can change at any time to be more or less of the occult, and they are more of the occult in the future interpreting the Bible that way according to the new age movement.

Also the 7 heads, kings, are the 7 kingdoms prior to the New Age Christ, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Roman Empire, the 10 horn kingdom, and the beast is the 8th king which is of the 7 for the devil influenced those kingdoms, which the beast has 7 heads and 1 of them was wounded which is the 7th head, the ten horn kingdom that failed at obtaining peace, and the world lost hope, but the New Age Christ gave them hope for peace on earth, and convinced them all would be alright, and the deadly would was healed, and the false prophet did miracles to show the world the beast did evolve through nature to be greater, and the world says who is like unto the beast, and who can make war with him, believing he has the power to establish his kingdom, and his ways on earth, and no foe can stop him, for flesh cannot contend with a person that can use nature against them.
 

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Jesus in Tibet - learning mysticism and the wielding of supernatural power is not so new
this false religion is the core of secret society religions such as The Freemasons and The Rosicrucians.
Then came Helena Blavatsky and her book "The Secret Doctrine" and who also founded the Theosophical Society.

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Hmm ok but that doesnt negate the fact that Jesus had a mother called Mary.
If people want to show Mary in pictures with baby Jesus that doesnt mean they idolizing or worshipping her its just an illustration. some Bibles are illustrated. In the middle ages whole churches had biblical scenes painted on their walls . Just because other cultures had pictures or statues showing mothers and sons doesnt mean they just changed those to show Mary and baby Jesus.

Also when Jesus was transfigured on the mount, who did he see, and Peter and John too, it wss Elijah and Moses. How could they tell it was those two figures?
You are not understanding. I think this has to be my last entry into this thread. Best of Luck.

Ref: Wikipedia Roasary

"According to pious tradition, the concept of the rosary was given to Saint Dominic in an apparition of the Virgin Mary during the year 1214 in the church of Prouille, though in fact it was known from the ninth century in various forms. "This Marian apparition received the title of Our Lady of the Rosary.[23] In the 15th century it was promoted by Alanus de Rupe (aka Alain de la Roche or Blessed Alan of the Rock), a Dominican priest and theologian, who established the "fifteen rosary promises" and started many rosary confraternities.

These modern day statues of Mary that people pray to, the rosary that people pray to, they are not authorized from scripture. They are inspired by these marian apparations.

Bottom Line:
Marian apparitions are of God (if so, then you better start praying the rosary)

Or
Marian apparitions are of the devil. (than that woman is not Mary, but just some WHORE that is being worshipped)

It seems you are trying to justify that these marian apparitions can be neither good or bad.
Perhaps re-read 1John 4:1-3.