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here's a guy from Holland who built a scaled replica, and is building a full scale to float to London for the Olympics in 2012. Think I will have to go to Holland again for a visit 
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkpsr_2KYwc[/video]
YouTube - Noah's Ark 2009juli
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkpsr_2KYwc[/video]
YouTube - Noah's Ark 2009juli
You are right there is a good reason why the population has exploded, but as we can see t does not take long remember God is in control of everything....
remember God is in control of everything....
Um. . .no. Sorry but the folks who peddle this stuff over at AIG and such are completely out of their league in terms of showing that their ideas are supported by evidence. Every attempt they've made essentially boils down to, "We don't know why the earth looks really really old and why there's no actual evidence for a global flood four thousand years ago, or how a wooden boat that big could float, or how eight individuals could have cared for that many animals, or how those animals could have survived after the flood, or why there's all this archeological evidence going back way past 4000 years ago with no record of being wiped out by a global flood. . .but it must have happened anyway."
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here's a guy from Holland who built a scaled replica, and is building a full scale to float to London for the Olympics in 2012. Think I will have to go to Holland again for a visit
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkpsr_2KYwc[/video]
YouTube - Noah's Ark 2009juli
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkpsr_2KYwc[/video]
YouTube - Noah's Ark 2009juli
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And are you qualified to say that these Christian Scientists who, have degrees and Doctorates in their field are out of their league... they are no more out of their league than their peers.
Of course unless you are qualified in a given field to disagree with their Views. I certainly am not, However, You have to wiegh up the evidence available.
I agree with creation scientists that God did infactcreate the world in a literal six days, as God himself has revealed to us in scripture.
You have just stated opinions and I can tell by how you, put forth your argument that you realy have not read anything of what you are arguing against.
Phil
Of course unless you are qualified in a given field to disagree with their Views. I certainly am not, However, You have to wiegh up the evidence available.
I agree with creation scientists that God did infactcreate the world in a literal six days, as God himself has revealed to us in scripture.
You have just stated opinions and I can tell by how you, put forth your argument that you realy have not read anything of what you are arguing against.
Phil
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1. The world "looks" very old becuase the things that we refer to as signs of age are neccesary for a fully functional ecosystem. I.e. you can't have catfish without having an "old" stream.
2. They have built wooden boats bigger than the ark. If is it watertight and made of wood, it will float. You can even make a boat using concrete.
3. You are probably looking at proto-species. I.e. one canine species, one feline species, etc.
4. The 4000 year issue isn't really a problem. It is easy for the Biblical timeline for the flood to be pre-civilization.
2. They have built wooden boats bigger than the ark. If is it watertight and made of wood, it will float. You can even make a boat using concrete.
3. You are probably looking at proto-species. I.e. one canine species, one feline species, etc.
4. The 4000 year issue isn't really a problem. It is easy for the Biblical timeline for the flood to be pre-civilization.
That's simply untrue; there’s no reason for 4+ billion years of radioactive decay to have taken place, there’s no need for there to be a 50,000+ year record of algal blooms in the varves of Lake Suigetsu, and there’s no reason for geological formations such as angular unconformities. None of these phenomena are required to form a fully functional ecosystem and they are just the first off the top of my head.
Again, that’s simply untrue. No one has built a boat made only of wood as massive as the ark is supposed to have been, and if someone could they doubtless would soon discover that you need to defy simple physics to make it “watertight” as anything that big will be susceptible to hogging and sagging in water that’s anything but completely smooth. Take the example of the six-masted schooner, the Wyoming, built out of wood and with the benefit of things Noah wouldn’t have had like steel and 20th century building techniques.
“Proto-species”? Regardless of made up terms, the genetic bottleneck we would see if all animals had been reduced to a single mating pair 6,000 years ago does not exist. Calling them different names will not change that.
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Except that we have copious evidence of civilizations that go back further than 4,000 years that weren’t wiped out by a global flood. Here's some things that were happening around the world apparently while the flood was occurring who apparently failed to either drown or even notice that the entire world was covered with water,
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Again, that’s simply untrue. No one has built a boat made only of wood as massive as the ark is supposed to have been, and if someone could they doubtless would soon discover that you need to defy simple physics to make it “watertight” as anything that big will be susceptible to hogging and sagging in water that’s anything but completely smooth. Take the example of the six-masted schooner, the Wyoming, built out of wood and with the benefit of things Noah wouldn’t have had like steel and 20th century building techniques.
The Wyoming was a wooden six-mastedschooner, the largest wooden schooner ever built. She was built and completed in 1909 by the firm of Percy & Small in Bath, Maine.[1] TheWyoming was also one of the largest wooden ships ever built, the longest wooden ship ever built, 450 ft (140 m) from jibboom tip to spankerboom tip, and the last six-mast schooner built on the east coast of the US.
Because of the extreme length of the Wyomingand its wood construction, it tended to flex in heavy seas, which would cause the long planks to twist and buckle, thereby allowing sea water to intrude into the hold (see Hogging and sagging). The Wyoming had to use pumps to keep its hold relatively free of water. In March 1924, it foundered in heavy seas and sank with the loss of all hands.
Wyoming (schooner) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Because of the extreme length of the Wyomingand its wood construction, it tended to flex in heavy seas, which would cause the long planks to twist and buckle, thereby allowing sea water to intrude into the hold (see Hogging and sagging). The Wyoming had to use pumps to keep its hold relatively free of water. In March 1924, it foundered in heavy seas and sank with the loss of all hands.
Wyoming (schooner) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
“Proto-species”? Regardless of made up terms, the genetic bottleneck we would see if all animals had been reduced to a single mating pair 6,000 years ago does not exist. Calling them different names will not change that.
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Except that we have copious evidence of civilizations that go back further than 4,000 years that weren’t wiped out by a global flood. Here's some things that were happening around the world apparently while the flood was occurring who apparently failed to either drown or even notice that the entire world was covered with water,
c. 2900 BC – 2334 BC: Mesopotamian wars of the Early Dynastic period continue.
c. 2400 BC-2000 BC: Large Painted Jar with Border Containing Birds, from Chanhu-Daro, Indus Valley Civilization, is made. It is now kept at Museum of Fine Arts, Boston.
c. 2360 BC: Hekla-4 eruption.
c. 2350 BC: End of the Early Dynastic IIIb period in Mesopotamia.
c. 2350 BC: First destruction of the city of Mari.
c. 2345 BC: End of Fifth Dynasty. Pharaoh Unas died.
c. 2345 BC: Sixth dynasty of Egypt starts (other date is 2460 BC).
c. 2340 BC – 2180 BC: Akkadian Empire.
c. 2334 BC – 2279 BC: Semitic chieftain Sargon of Akkad's conquest of Sumer and Mesopotamia.
c. 2333 BC: Dangun founded the state Gojoseon (Modern-day Korea), during the reign of the Chinese Emperor Yao
City of Lothal founded under the Indus valley civilization.
24th century BC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
c. 2400 BC-2000 BC: Large Painted Jar with Border Containing Birds, from Chanhu-Daro, Indus Valley Civilization, is made. It is now kept at Museum of Fine Arts, Boston.
c. 2360 BC: Hekla-4 eruption.
c. 2350 BC: End of the Early Dynastic IIIb period in Mesopotamia.
c. 2350 BC: First destruction of the city of Mari.
c. 2345 BC: End of Fifth Dynasty. Pharaoh Unas died.
c. 2345 BC: Sixth dynasty of Egypt starts (other date is 2460 BC).
c. 2340 BC – 2180 BC: Akkadian Empire.
c. 2334 BC – 2279 BC: Semitic chieftain Sargon of Akkad's conquest of Sumer and Mesopotamia.
c. 2333 BC: Dangun founded the state Gojoseon (Modern-day Korea), during the reign of the Chinese Emperor Yao
City of Lothal founded under the Indus valley civilization.
24th century BC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I'm not a scientist, but I am a science teacher. Therefore while I don't assert that I personally am qualified to argue against some of the more technical points creation scientists may make, I am qualified to look at conclusions that do not offer any testable hypothesis and say, "YEC scientists are not actually doing any real science since they cannot offer any testable hypothesis". There's also the fact that the huge majority of scientists in a wide range of fields such as geology, physics, paleontology, biology, and archeology have shredded their arguments.
That's not exactly a great assumption to make, just a heads up.
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That's not exactly a great assumption to make, just a heads up.
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Hi Lurker.... that is old news,, don't you think biblical scholars no this? in fact I could copy you copious amounts regarding early civilizations as you have stated above.. one that I am looking at now.. is called 'An Old Testament survey' (William Sanford Lasor et all) that's just one!
It is actually very common knowledge, and does nothing to prove any of your points! in studying these groups of peoples mainly Semitic, we have a rich background to the biblical narrative.. wonderful stuff
Of course thats only really three thousand years before Christ isn't it? (app). we know nothing at all from before that.. I think its something we call pre history. and now one knows... unless you can pull it of in a test tube in a lab...which I think is impossible.
Historical science is just full of opinions concerning pre history!
Phil
It is actually very common knowledge, and does nothing to prove any of your points! in studying these groups of peoples mainly Semitic, we have a rich background to the biblical narrative.. wonderful stuff
Of course thats only really three thousand years before Christ isn't it? (app). we know nothing at all from before that.. I think its something we call pre history. and now one knows... unless you can pull it of in a test tube in a lab...which I think is impossible.
Historical science is just full of opinions concerning pre history!
Phil
I'm not a scientist, but I am a science teacher. Therefore while I don't assert that I personally am qualified to argue against some of the more technical points creation scientists may make, I am qualified to look at conclusions that do not offer any testable hypothesis and say, "YEC scientists are not actually doing any real science since they cannot offer any testable hypothesis". There's also the fact that the huge majority of scientists in a wide range of fields such as geology, physics, paleontology, biology, and archeology have shredded their arguments. This is a false claim, they pat themselves on the back and ignorantly think they have. I would say that creation scientists in all these fields, by your own admittance you are not really qualified, would say they have shredded the evolutionary model, which is still only a theory, and did not charles Darwin himself say, "that is they have not found the missing link within a hundred years his theory is wrong" (thats from memory)
That's not exactly a great assumption to make, just a heads up. Yep heads up for creation... and God's word God's word has been around longer than evolution and the truth has never changed....
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That's not exactly a great assumption to make, just a heads up. Yep heads up for creation... and God's word
God's word has been around longer than evolution and the truth has never changed....Lurker
Just observations from reading scientist from all the fields of science who are Christian and creationist. Oh by the way have they found that missing link yet??? its been very evasive considering the millions of fossils we have found???
Phil
Prehistory is generally held to have ended around 3200 B.C., though it does vary geographically depending on the relative level of civilization and, thus, written records. However, there are plenty of other ways that we can learn about civilizations other than just by reading what they wrote; we can look at their buildings, their tools, their toys, and the remains of their people to see that there were civilizations that existed prior to 3200 B.C., and probably even further back in time than that. If anyone's crunching the numbers 3200 B.C. is over 5,000 years ago, so unless pretty much all the archeologists all over the world are lying to us we have some excellent evidence for civilizations that pre-date the flood and don't bother to either all die off or even note that the entire world was under water during the 24th century B.C.
Not only that, but placing the flood at this point in history means we need to cram all the world's civilization's into just over 4,200 years. If we take things back a little further we need to cram all pre-Roman civilizations into the last 2,300 years since I don't think we're going to dispute that the Roman Empire existed 2,000 years ago. That's an awful lot of history to slam together, and it runs into the same problems as the Phantom Time Hypothesis in being incredibly euro-centric and completely ignoring civilizations that were flourishing in other parts of the world such as Egypt, India, and China. The recorded history of China, for example, starts with the Shang dynasty around 1700 B.C. which only gives you about three hundred years.
All this, of course, completely disregards strong archeological and genetic evidence showing patterns of human migrations stretching back tens of thousands of years and showing no bottleneck at 2300 B.C.
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Not only that, but placing the flood at this point in history means we need to cram all the world's civilization's into just over 4,200 years. If we take things back a little further we need to cram all pre-Roman civilizations into the last 2,300 years since I don't think we're going to dispute that the Roman Empire existed 2,000 years ago. That's an awful lot of history to slam together, and it runs into the same problems as the Phantom Time Hypothesis in being incredibly euro-centric and completely ignoring civilizations that were flourishing in other parts of the world such as Egypt, India, and China. The recorded history of China, for example, starts with the Shang dynasty around 1700 B.C. which only gives you about three hundred years.
All this, of course, completely disregards strong archeological and genetic evidence showing patterns of human migrations stretching back tens of thousands of years and showing no bottleneck at 2300 B.C.
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