Once Saved Always Saved? by Shawn Mann I repeat what God has shown me in scripture: that OSAS is proven false by verses such as John 15:2. Even though I teach against OSAS i have NEVER believed that we can "go back and forth" in and out of salvation. Salvation is IN Christ. Jesus stated clearly that those in Him can be removed for being unfruitful, but I have seen no biblical evidence that one who is removed can ever be grafted in again. Romans 11 could be used to make that case "He is able to graft them in again", but the context is about Jews who never had faith in Christ to begin with. They were branches of the Olive Tree (Israel) and were removed for lack of faith in Christ. Now all who are in true Spiritual Israel are those of Faith (in Christ). Romans 11:22 states that we who have been grafted in by faith can also be removed for not enduring. I prefer John 15:2, Gal 5:4, Romans 11:22, 2 Peter 2:20, and Hebrews 10:26-29 over Hebrews 6, but Hebrews 6 still does prove that salvation can be lost. See here: “4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once *been enlightened* ((*Believers* are enlightened by the Spirit. 2 Cor 2:13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.)) , who have *tasted* ((same Greek word (Strongs 1089) used here: But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should *taste death* for every man.)) the heavenly gift, and have *shared in the Holy Spirit**,((The Holy Spirit is a seal upon true believers. Has anyone outside of Christ "shared in the Holy Spirit"?)) 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away ((If they were never saved, what exactly did they "fall away" from? If you were never on the true ground of salvation, you can't fall away from it. You can't fall from something that you've never reached)), to restore (("restore" means they were truly there)) them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again ((His crucifiction was effectual for them, that's why it says "again")) the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. 7 For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. 8 But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.)) Fit's in perfectly with John 15:2-6 2 Every branch **in me* ((IN CHRIST, only the truely saved are in Christ)) that does not bear fruit he *takes away* (("takes away" from what? From being IN CHRIST)), and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you. 4 Abide ((remain)) in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. 5 I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide ((remain)) in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. ((Just like Hebrews 6:8))
John 15
1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
there are two sorts of brances here
branches that bare fruit
"every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit"
"He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit"
and branches that do not bare fruit
"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned"
"As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself"
this is largely an example of the power of CHRIST in His own
compared to the lack of power in fakers
dont you understand when this is being said?
what judas already did and what was about to happen?
but this has NOTHING to do with the loss of salvation to a saved believer
and MUCH to do with two separate types of men in the same congregation of "believers" (in Him)
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