Obedience REQUIRED

[ScooterJackson]

How can they die again after Christ has made them alive?

Jesus is the vine and those no longer attached to the vine are no longer alive unto Him.

Read John 15 and see where Jesus tells us Jesus is the vine and the vine belongs to the Father and those that do not abide in Jesus baring fruit the Father cuts off the vine.

You don't seem to have much faith in God's power of salvation if you think a mere mortal can undo it.

I have faith in what God teaches in His Word and no faith in the carnal religious teachings of men.

 

[ScooterJackson]

I just wanted to know if it had been weeks, or months, or how many years.
Next month, I will start my 19th year without sin.

Dude, you just made mailman sad. He left a sad face because you are not a sinner like he is.

 

[ScooterJackson]

So not everyone works for the Lord? Furthermore, those who are given greater responsibility can produce fruitless works yet still be saved but those who have less responsibility are held to a greater punishment? That does not make a whole lot of sense to me.

If you'd like to join those who think Christians can live in sin and still be saved then have at it.

How can they be separated if they are in Christ and Christ is in them?

2 Timothy 2:12 - If we deny Him, He also will deny us

I think you are like a lot of people who fail to recognise the difference between salvation from death which, is permanent

If you'd like to join those who think Christians can live in sin and still be saved then have at it.

 

[Roger316]

Only the gnostics claim they never sinned.
They'll say their body did some sin but they themselves had nothing to do with that.

John is not talking about Gnostics; he is talking about people like the Pharisees. These are the kinds of people who would say they never sinned or that they don't have sin in them. There are people like that today.

 

[ScooterJackson]

John is not talking about Gnostics; he is talking about people like the Pharisees. These are the kinds of people who would say they never sinned or that they don't have sin in them. There are people like that today.

And the gnostics did the same, claiming they have never sinned.
So when someone is cleansed of all unrighteousness, you think they still have sin in them?

Seems like it ought to be at least a few minutes before they sin again since so many people think it's no possible to walk live in sin being a sinner that sins all the time claiming they just can't help themselves but to sin all the time everywhere they go.

 

[Kroogz]

Please clarify

Do we have eternal life or the narrow road leads to life?

Do we have eternal salvation now or eternal life? (the life of grace)

Can we lose salvation?

Can we lose grace?

Thks

We have eternal life. Salvation is eternal life.........Never perish. WIDE open for all.

The narrow way of life is growing in His Grace and knowledge. Few find it.

HENCE, believers who think we can lose salvation or were never really saved........Few find the abundant life we can have RIGHT now.

 

[sawdust]

If you'd like to join those who think Christians can live in sin and still be saved then have at it.



2 Timothy 2:12 - If we deny Him, He also will deny us



If you'd like to join those who think Christians can live in sin and still be saved then have at it.

You never understand do you. I don't think Christians can live in sin, that's the point. God deals with them severely if they try. They either repent or the Lord takes them home early so as not to continue disgracing His name. I can assure you, anyone who says they believe, live in sin and is having a "good life" (in their estimation) is not a true believer. Matt.7:23

How can one believe in the Gospel and deny Christ at the same time? You either believe the Gospel which, is the power of God unto salvation or you don't. Rom.1:16

If you do, you are saved from death, your sin has been nailed to the Cross and as it also says, if you are faithless, He remains faithful. His word of salvation from death is assured to all those who believe in Him even when you don't understand all the better things that belong to salvation Heb.6:9 and get it all wrong.

2Tim.2:13
if we are faithless, he remains faithful

I'm not continuing this conversation as it just ends up the same old story. You can't keep making God a liar by saying He can't maintain the salvation He gives you because you sin. Your sin did not stop Him giving you salvation (thanks be to Christ), it will not stop Him maintaining it.

Have a nice day.

 

[carbunculus]

1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Thanks mailman there's only so long a person can mock God, but I don't think he cares he thinks he right about everything.

Human frailty is in our human nature and the spirit is willing and the spirit can overcome our flesh, but our flesh will be frail and vulnerable until that day.

Obedience is also in renewing our mind daily, to rid our mind of fragility, and to once again have a strong mind like Christ.

But we don't literally have the mind of Christ

 

[carbunculus]

I'm not continuing this conversation as it just ends up the same old story. You can't keep making God a liar by saying He can't maintain the salvation He gives you because you sin. Your sin did not stop Him giving you salvation (thanks be to Christ), it will not stop Him maintaining it.

Have a nice day.

Excellent way of putting it, I love that concept, your sin did not stop God from giving you salvation.

I felt really reassured by that sentiment, especially when there arguing sin can remove our salvation, well said mate love that.

 

[Lamar]

If that is new age, then that is me.

If you are not familiar with the term I suggest not replying with an answer but learning what the term means first.

 

[carbunculus]

We have eternal life. Salvation is eternal life.........Never perish. WIDE open for all.

The narrow way of life is growing in His Grace and knowledge. Few find it.

HENCE, believers who think we can lose salvation or were never really saved........Few find the abundant life we can have RIGHT now.

Thanks mate

Found a nice one for you

23 The Lord makes firm the steps of the one who delights in him;
24 though he may stumble, he will not fall, for the Lord upholds him with his hand.

 

[carbunculus]

Dude, you just made mailman sad. He left a sad face because you are not a sinner like he is.

Wacko jacko on his scooter strikes again

 

[pinebeach]

Wacko jacko on a scooter

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Someone should rescue the cute little doggo

 

[pinebeach]

I just wanted to know if it had been weeks, or months, or how many years.
Next month, I will start my 19th year without sin.

How long have you been in a comma? Oh sorry. You can't actually answer that

 

[walter549]

Hebrews 5:9 - And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him

I always wonder how people continue to believe they are saved anyway if they aren't obedient to the Lord.

Some come right out and say that obedience is not required for salvation even though that's not what the Word of the Lord says.

Apparently this is further proof that some among us openly reject some things the Lord says as they walk in disobedience.

I agree,

1. The Old Testament explains the wages of sin is death. Jesus provided a New Hope of Salvation.
2. In Jesus sacrifice we have the opportunity of being saved, this is a free gift.
3. The New Testament explains over and over we need to be obedient to Jesus words.

Do you know any scriptures that support this way of thinking? Here is a few scriptures I have found.

1. The Wages of Sin and the Free Gift
Your first two points are explicitly captured in a single, famous sentence from the Apostle Paul:

• Romans 6:23: "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." This verse directly contrasts what we earn on our own (death) with what Jesus provides as an unearned gift (salvation and eternal life).
• Ephesians 2:8-9: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast."

Several key New Testament scriptures address the relationship between true faith, following Jesus, and a life of obedience:

• Matthew 7:21 – "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven." Jesus explicitly warns that verbal acknowledgment without living submission does not lead to salvation.
• James 2:17 & 22 – "Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. ... Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?" James teaches that genuine faith always manifests through action and obedience.
• 1 John 2:3–4 – "Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, 'I know Him,' and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." John links knowing Christ directly to a lifestyle of obedience.
• John 14:15 – "If you love Me, keep My commandments." Jesus presents obedience not as a heavy burden to earn a gift, but as the natural expression of love and allegiance to Him.
• Luke 6:46 – "But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and not do the things which I say?" Jesus challenges the logic of claiming Him as master while rejecting His instructions.

 

[sawdust]

Excellent way of putting it, I love that concept, your sin did not stop God from giving you salvation.

I felt really reassured by that sentiment, especially when there arguing sin can remove our salvation, well said mate love that.

Ooh! "Well said mate" Are you an Aussie?

I think people either forget or do not fully comprehend just what the Lord God has done, not only on our behalf, but also to us when we believe. Either that or they think the Lord has trouble telling who is genuine in their belief and who is not.

 

[sawdust]

Our salvation is solely reliant on the Lord God, the receiving of it, the maintaining of it and the finalizing of it for by grace we are saved through faith and faith is not biblical, saving faith if it is not grounded in and upon the word. We are not saved if we have no faith and we cannot have faith apart from the Word.

The Word is our salvation and we (believers) are not our own anymore, 1Cor.6:20 & 7:23 we are the property of the Lord God and no-one can tell Him what to do with His possession.