Pre-Trib Rapture=Mark of the beast (for some), Naiveness=Sleep and unpreparedness

[Elizabeth619]

Jesus says when you see all of these things happening “ At The Same Time “ .. That generation will not pass .. We are the generation seeing all these things. Israel Reborn, Great Earthquakes, Waves Roaring “ Tsunamis “ Wars and Rumor of Wars, Ethnic group against Ethnic Group “ Sunni and the Shiites and so on. The days of Noah and Lot, the generation at the end 2 Timothy 3:1-5 or Romans 1:28-32. When you see Israel surrounded by armies no that time is near. One world Order, one word Religion
I believe the lord is AT THE DOOR

This right here is where I have issue.

 

[moment_of_faith]

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[Elizabeth619]

one world order....i have huge issue with conspiracy theories

 

[moment_of_faith]

Everyone talks about it everyday now. From your president down. We are a global economy. Do you watch any news?

 

[moment_of_faith]

To be honest I thought that was going to be one of the easiest to recognize. I thought you would say we have always had earth quakes and wars, but the world coming together as one I thought would be easy to see. As Andy Stern said - Workers of the world unite

Hennery Kissinger said we must form a one world order or retreat into chaos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SISUIhprOa8&feature=related

 

[moment_of_faith]

OBAMA - One World Government "the only way" - YouTube

 

[ApostleDisciple]

Rapture Ready - Rapture resource for the end times

Link to a site that gives a pretty thorough treatment on the pre-trib rapture. Lots of articles to read and forums to read there. Check it out.

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

This is the heart issue with God and with our Lord, Savior (saving us) any straining nets and swallowing camels of beliefs from trying to interpret a cacophony of scripture is not what persuades anyone or helps to reveal what real events will be. To consider the heart and desire of God and His Son is also to be considered: The bride of Christ does Jesus come to deliver from God's wrath or not. Does Jesus and the Father delight by determining to punish the Bride of Christ by dragging all the Body of Christ through the greatest wrath of God by the use of demons? Is that a reasonable reward? Does He do this now, sending demon to torture and punish us? Are we to be treated the same as those who hate Him and rejected Him? Rhetorical! Analogy the ten plagues of Egypt, the greatest world Dictating power at that time enslaving the children of God, the children of God (even they were not perfect or believing) 7 plagues they were excluded from. Maybe 7 years the body of Christ will be excluded from God’s Wrath?!Rhetorical! Recurring! There is a big difference to speculate about comparing scriptures to determine a future event and doctrinize it and to know intimately the heart of our Savior’s plan and delight to snatch us up out of God’s wrath and to receive our Reward as His bride and He as our Groom.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don’t ignore anything eternally-gratefull in the OT.

I don’t ignore ALL Isreal will be saved.

I don’t ignore THEY (Israel) are our enemies because of the gospels sake.

It’s your interpretation the rest of those scriptures that I call into question.

For your interpretation the rest of those scriptures separates Jewish Christians from non-Jewish Christians.

1. Paul spoke of non christian jews. who are our enemy, who are blinded UNTIL the fulness of the gentiles is complete.
2. Non Christian jews were those scattered because of unbelief.
3. Non Christian jews are those who will call out to God and ask for his protection during the extreme persecution of the last days.
4. Non Christian jews will repent, and becausde of their repentance, be restored to her land.

Of course I speak of non christian Isreal. The whole bible speaks of them all the time.

1. There punishment for unbelief.
2. The destruction of their city and temple
3. They being scattered throughout the gentile world (all because of unbelief)
4. And finally their repentance and restoration.

And your interpretation the rest of those scriptures, that segregates the word of God for some and not for others and others and not for some.

What?? your talking in circles.

It’s your interpretation the rest of those scriptures that seem to say there is NOT been made of one blood in all nations of men.

Those scriptures do not pertain to this, It pertains to the restoration of Isreal, which was devided into two nations because of sin and unbelief, who has repented and been restored. never to be separate again.

You want me to think this means somethign other than what it says? Gods saved people from adam iuntil today have NEVER BEEN SEPARATED because of unbelief.

And your interpretation seems to say there is more than one body in Christ.

Again your wrong.

There are those who are "blessed by the seed of abraham" who are one, and have been one since Adam. (In you shall ALL the nations of the world be blessed)

then their are children of another promise. Which only refers to to the national children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. who are children of the promise and elect whther saved or not. Always have been, Always will be.

And that Christians in Rv are not of the church.

The body of Christ is anyone saved, before Christ, after Christ. and until this earth is destroyed. Whats your problem with that?

And your interpretation seems to say we are not the children of Abraham

Never claimed it. your assuming facts not in evidence.

And that there are Jews and Gentiles in Christ Jesus

There is no more Jew or Gentile. we are one under Christ. If we are saved. But there IS still jew and gentile according to the defenitions of the word. Paul makes this clear in romans 11, You refuse to see it.

And that we are NOT all baptized into one body.

Again a Lie. Never stated this.

It’s your interpretation the rest of those scriptures that I call into question eternally-gratefull, Not the OT.

Well thats fine. Thank God I do not have to answer to you. I answer to God. so I will chose to continue to look to him

 

[eternally-gratefull]

am i the only person on CC that understands Revelation already took place in the 1st century?

Hey sis! You should reword that to "believes" and not "understands". You believe it did. I do not. But I still love ya as a sis in Christ

 

[Elizabeth619]

Hey sis! You should reword that to "believes" and not "understands". You believe it did. I do not. But I still love ya as a sis in Christ

From this point on I will not discoss the book of Revelation on this website. It has nothing to do with this thread, or those who have posted in it but due to attacks and my words twisted by members of this site I won't discuss it anymore.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You do understand that 200 million is not literal don't you? If it was that would be an army that would be 2/3 of the united states alone.
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Anyway... look at this if you want.. this is where I am coming from.
Bowls of Wrath | Revelation | church of Christ

church of Christ Study of Revelation

why would it not be literal sis? Why would the angel tell John a number which was not true?

the worlds population today is approximately 7 billion. 200 million is a very small number when we look at the total. take 1/3 of 7 billion and you have a little over 2 billion. (1/3 of earths population was taken) so if 200,000 is considered 1/3 of the earths population. something major happened to many many people.

also. if most of the worlds major armies were being spoken of here, and all men were drafted, 200 million would be nothing.

 

[peterT]

1. Paul spoke of non christian jews. who are our enemy, who are blinded UNTIL the fulness of the gentiles is complete.
2. Non Christian jews were those scattered because of unbelief.
3. Non Christian jews are those who will call out to God and ask for his protection during the extreme persecution of the last days.
4. Non Christian jews will repent, and becausde of their repentance, be restored to her land.

Of course I speak of non christian Isreal. The whole bible speaks of them all the time.

1. There punishment for unbelief.
2. The destruction of their city and temple
3. They being scattered throughout the gentile world (all because of unbelief)
4. And finally their repentance and restoration.







What?? your talking in circles.



Those scriptures do not pertain to this, It pertains to the restoration of Isreal, which was devided into two nations because of sin and unbelief, who has repented and been restored. never to be separate again.

You want me to think this means somethign other than what it says? Gods saved people from adam iuntil today have NEVER BEEN SEPARATED because of unbelief.



Again your wrong.

There are those who are "blessed by the seed of abraham" who are one, and have been one since Adam. (In you shall ALL the nations of the world be blessed)

then their are children of another promise. Which only refers to to the national children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. who are children of the promise and elect whther saved or not. Always have been, Always will be.



The body of Christ is anyone saved, before Christ, after Christ. and until this earth is destroyed. Whats your problem with that?



Never claimed it. your assuming facts not in evidence.



There is no more Jew or Gentile. we are one under Christ. If we are saved. But there IS still jew and gentile according to the defenitions of the word. Paul makes this clear in romans 11, You refuse to see it.


Again a Lie. Never stated this.



Well thats fine. Thank God I do not have to answer to you. I answer to God. so I will chose to continue to look to him

Nevertheless you are still segregating the word and segregating the body of Christ into two separate body’s, and some of the word of God is for some and not for others. yet the bible say we all drink the same spiritual drink.

The 144,000 are saved but you said they are not the church. But the bible says there is only one body the church the believers. And we ALL one in Christ.

Like you said there are unbelievers and believers.

As for the woman being the unsaved Jews. Since when has God blessed and protected disobedience

Since when does God go against his own word and blessed and protect disobedience? That doesn’t diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD. For obedience brings on the spirit of God not disobedience.

Acts5:32And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Colossians 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

John14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1John2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also

Exodus 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

Deuteronomy 4:30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

Gal3;3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Gal3::29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[peterT]

So if the great tribulation starts 3 1/2 years in then the means the rider on the red horse goes out 3 1/2 years in to take peace from the earth “ To Start The Great Tribulation. So by the last trumpet it will be 5 plus years into the tribulation. SO why would Jesus what until then to pull his people out? Why let them go through all the other stuff but then bring them out in when we know it is many people that make it all the way through the trib.

The last trump for saving is chapter 4 of revelation

Let me try and draw a simple picture for you.

The devil was cast out into the earth, and the woman fly’s into the wilderness for a time, and times, and half a time, which is 3 ½ years.Rv12.

The beast causes all to worship the image and to take the mark, and has power to continue forty and two months which is 3 ½ years.Rv13

The two prophets have power to witness and the beast shall make war against them thousand two hundred and threescore days, which is 3 ½ years.Rv11

The great tribulation is 3 ½ years.

Jesus said, so Daniel said so and john said so.

It’s a 7 year period and in the middle of that 7 years the great tribulation will begin

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nevertheless you are still segregating the word and segregating the body of Christ into two separate body’s, and some of the word of God is for some and not for others. yet the bible say we all drink the same spiritual drink.

why do you continue to twist what I say? Instead of being closed minded why don;t you try to understand what it is I am saying.

Paul said that Isreal is loved because of the fathers. But hated because of the gospel. Are these "hated" children of Isreal a part of the body of Christ? If you think they are. you would be wrong. If you think I think they are. you would also be wrong. So either way, your wrong.

And why you refuse to see these natural children of Isreal are still beloved because of the fathers are loved Because God still has a plan for them, even thought they have been in unbelief since the day paul wrote those words even until today (hundreds of years and many generations) is beyond me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

From this point on I will not discoss the book of Revelation on this website. It has nothing to do with this thread, or those who have posted in it but due to attacks and my words twisted by members of this site I won't discuss it anymore.

Aww sis, I hope I did not twist your words!! If I did forgive me, And I can understand your frustration, it does get old when people do not want to discuss anything, but twist what you say because they have closed minds!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Let me try and draw a simple picture for you.

The devil was cast out into the earth, and the woman fly’s into the wilderness for a time, and times, and half a time, which is 3 ½ years.Rv12.

The beast causes all to worship the image and to take the mark, and has power to continue forty and two months which is 3 ½ years.Rv13

The two prophets have power to witness and the beast shall make war against them thousand two hundred and threescore days, which is 3 ½ years.Rv11

The great tribulation is 3 ½ years.

Jesus said, so Daniel said so and john said so.

It’s a 7 year period and in the middle of that 7 years the great tribulation will begin

Now this we can agree on. Jesus said the tribulation starts AFTER the abomination takes place, which is the middle of the week.

now the question is. when is the man of sin revealed? (important because the one who restrains (HS) must be removed before this takes place.) then the next question is. How is the one who restrains taken out of the picture?

 

[moment_of_faith]

PeterT --- Tribulation is a 7 year period with the last 3 1/2 years known as the great tribulation. I agree with you. The first seal is broken at the beginning of the 7 years and the rider on the white horse goes out to make peace on earth but this will be a false peace.

BUT 3 1/2 years into the 7 year tribulation " HALF WAY THRU " The 2nd seal is broken and the rider on the red horse goes out to take peace from earth. THIS STARTS THE 2nd Half “ 3 ½ Years The Great Tribulation “ The 2nd seal is not broken until 3 ½ years in.

Do you understand this? The 2nd seal is not broken until 3 ½ years into the tribulation period –

 

[eternally-gratefull]

PeterT --- Tribulation is a 7 year period with the last 3 1/2 years known as the great tribulation. I agree with you. The first seal is broken at the beginning of the 7 years and the rider on the white horse goes out to make peace on earth but this will be a false peace.

BUT 3 1/2 years into the 7 year tribulation " HALF WAY THRU " The 2nd seal is broken and the rider on the red horse goes out to take peace from earth. THIS STARTS THE 2nd Half “ 3 ½ Years The Great Tribulation “ The 2nd seal is not broken until 3 ½ years in.

Do you understand this? The 2nd seal is not broken until 3 ½ years into the tribulation period –

I think people get confused. The name "tribulation period" concerning the 7 years was given by man. The scriptural names given are daniels 70th week, The time of jacobs trouble. The time of Gods testing etc etc.

 

[moment_of_faith]

Beth -- please comment all you want. No stupid question here. We are all learning, but no why it happened 2000 years ago. First off no ISAEL, No Temple, No dried up Euphrates River, No 200 Million Man Army, No Peace Treaty, No Two Witnesses, No 144,000 Jews Preaching the coming 1000 year kingdom, and many more.