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I already know Christians can live without sin.

There are many who vaunt themselves with this kind of innuendo as if they have stopped sinning, I rarely here someone actually saying it though, and go on to lord it over others. No humilty, just judgmental, "what's wrong with you" sort of attitude.
And in a sorry display of playing:

First lip service to Christians can live without sin, followed immediately from the heart condemning such righteousness as vaunting innuendo, lording over others, and proud judging against others that are still sinning.

Tell it to Jesus Christ the righteous:

Jhn 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

2Pe 3:3
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,




I've seen this time and again.
So have I, and you've abundantly proven yourself no different than others, that say those testifying righteously are vaunting innuendo, lording over others, and proud judging against others that are still sinning.

So when someone starts writing that way, I ask that question.
And when someone starts questioning that way, after quoting Scriptures of doing righteousness at all times, by experience I now respond this way.

Mat 21:24
And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you...

Why?

Mar 12:13
And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words.


Whether or not this soteriology is correct or not is a fully separate matter than whether or not you are living accordingly.
False. It is Scripture, and is preaching the truth, whether they are doing the truth or not.

And if not, then it does not justify anyone not believing nor doing the truth.

Like I said, I already know, for a fact, that Christians can live without sin.
But with vaunting innuendo, lording over others, and proud judging against others that are still sinning.

The open question, the question I've asked you, is, Are you, not just some speculative person, but you, are you living without sin.
And if I say yes, will you do as God commands to repent and sin nor more? And if I say no, will you also disobey God to not repent of all your transgressions?

Show in Scripture where any apostle declares he is living righteously without sinning, and keeping God's commandments blamelessly, and yet every apostle preaches doing so in Christ Jesus.

Why? Because it's not about the messenger of Jesus Christ, but of Jesus Christ and His gospel promise of salvation from sinning:

Jhn 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1Jo 3:5
And we know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him is not sinning: whosoever is sinning hath not seen him, neither known him.
 
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Anyone who states wrong and negative assumptions of others does not do so in the Spirit of Christ. Anyone who makes negative false statements about others does not do so in the Spirit of Christ.
Anyone who states wrong and negative assumptions of others doing righteously, does not do so in the Spirit of Christ. Anyone who makes negative false statements about others doing righteously as with vaunting innuendo, lording over others, and proud judging against others, does not do so in the Spirit of Christ.

We see your accusations against others. Show now any accusations made against you.

When did the teaching of keeping commandments at the beginning of salvation, become personal accusations against others, other than by yourself?

Transgressors accusing themselves of being judged by teaching of Scriptures, are accusing the words of Jesus Christ the righteous condemning them as trasngressors:

Jhn 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.



Can you accept this truth?
Can you accept the truth of where the personal accusations begin on this thread?

Much love!

1Jo 3:18
My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

 
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Anyone who states wrong and negative assumptions of others doing righteously, does not do so in the Spirit of Christ. Anyone who makes negative false statements about others doing righteously as with vaunting innuendo, lording over others, and proud judging against others, does not do so in the Spirit of Christ.
Well I'm glad we argree on this.

We are all revealed in our words.

Much love!
 
1 Corinthians 4:1-5 KJV
1) Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.
2) Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
3) But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
4) For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
5) Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

This is a good passage to have a full understanding concerning.

Much love!
 
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Your faulty gospel is rooted in anti-scriptural fallacy. You would do well to learn the common fallacy and avoid employing dead faith alone to your justification.
Fine, be resistant to learning.
 
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Believers in Scriptures of Jesus Christ clearly understand the difference between the Lord's righteousness of doing righteousness, vs the false righteousness while doing unrighteousness.

And the difference between the gospel promise of being washed, sanctified, and justified, vs another gospel lie of being justified while not sanctified.

1Co 1:2
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
Heb 2:11
For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren.


Jde 1:1
Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

Act 26:17
Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.


Scripture's gospel of Jesus Christ is always with the promise of sanctified, not of sanctifying.

Them that have the faith that is in Jesus Christ are sanctified. Them that have the faith of themselves alone are not sanctified.

Eph{2:8}
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
False attribution is functionally no different from lying.
 
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ATG said:
bodily sinning
What does that mean?

Ephesians 2:3 KJV
3) Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
2Co 5:9
Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
 
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False attribution is functionally no different from lying.
False teaching against Scripture is lying.

Rom 1:25

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Believing in whole justification without whole sanctification is worshipping one's own faith alone.
 
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False teaching against Scripture is lying.

Rom 1:25

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Believing in whole justification without whole sanctification is worshipping one's own faith alone.
Are you accusing me of false teaching? If so, please provide evidence of my alleged offense.
 
Not keeping the commandments is the beginning, middle, and end of self-justification by faith alone.

Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Psa 119:158
I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

Psa 37:38
But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.


Being made to do righteousness is the righteousness of Jesus Christ.

1 John{3:7}
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that is doing righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.


Being made righteous by personal faith alone, while doing unrighteousness, is the unrighteousness of another Christ.

Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

James{1:22}

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Who justifies anyone doing unrighteousness as being the righteous? Certainly not Jesus Christ the righteous.

2Co 4:3
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

By Jesus Christ the righteous, His sanctification is with His washing, regeneration, and justification:

Eph 4:28
Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

1 Cor 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Cor 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,..Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.




The progressive never complete sanctification of transgressors, is only that of an unrighteous Christ.

But sanctification from the lust of the world is sinless justification with Jesus Christ.

Mat 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Jhn 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1Jo 3:5
And we know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him is not sinning: whosoever is sinning hath not seen him, neither known him.

Faith alone justifiers seek immediate whole justification, with only partial sanctification from sins of the world.

1 Thess{5:22}
Abstain from all appearance of evil. And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.


Only for them that question and deny the Scripture's gospel of Jesus Christ.

Such has, how can anyone be righteous, while doing unrighteousness? Not by Jesus Christ the righteous.

How can anyone be wholly justified, while not being wholly sanctified? Not by the whole sanctification and justification of Jesus Christ.


True. So much confusion without Scripture of truth and the gospel of Jesus Christ, but only another gospel of justification by faith alone, without sanctification from doing unrighteousness.

Gal 1:6
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.


The false gospel of faith alone justification without works, is not without works, but is with works of unrighteousness.

The Scripture's gospel of Jesus Christ is justification by faith without works of unrighteousness.

It's nonsense like this post, that confuse people and make them wonder why did Jesus die if it's all up to us?

You do not understand the gospel and as your comprehension is severely compromised, I do not pay much attention to anything you write.

You deceive people when you put the commandments in the place of Jesus.
 
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Believing in whole justification without whole sanctification is worshipping one's own faith alone.
1 Corinthians 1:27-31 KJV
27) But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28) And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29) That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30) But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31) That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Much love!
 
ATG said:
Rom 1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Believing in whole justification without whole sanctification is worshipping one's own faith alone.

Are you accusing me of false teaching? If so, please provide evidence of my alleged offense.
Believing in whole justification without whole sanctification, is the false teaching.

Worshipping one's own faith alone to be wholly justified without wholly sanctified, is the idolatry.
 
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Believing in whole justification without whole sanctification, is the false teaching.
When you find someone who actually believes in whole justification without whole sanctification, your blather might be worthwhile.

Worshipping one's own faith alone to be wholly justified without wholly sanctified, is the idolatry.
Continually misrepresenting the beliefs of others after abundant correction is lying.
 
It's nonsense like this post, that confuse people and make them wonder why did Jesus die
It's lies like justification by faith-alone, without repenting of all sins and trespasses, that rejects why Jesus died for our sins and trespasses.

He died for our sins to be repented of, not continued in.

Rom 6:1
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

if it's all up to us?
It's nonsense like this post, that deceives people and makes them think Jesus' command to repent, makes it all up to us.

Ezek 18:31
Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Acts{11:18}
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the nations granted repentance unto life.

It's a self-explanatory lie of unrepentant transgressors, to say we have no part in our salvation from sinning.

It's from the self-righteous lie that transgressors have no part in Jesus dying for our sins.

Act 2:22
Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?...Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;


Unrepentant sinners want no part in repenting from their own sinning against Jesus Christ, because they deny having part in sinning against Him on the cross.

Them that have no part in salvation from sinning, have no part in resurrection unto life:

Rev 20:5
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


You do not understand the gospel
I understand your false gospel perfectly. You don't want to perfectly understand it yourself.


I do not pay much attention to anything you write.
You pay enough attention to twist what I write against your gospel of justification by faith alone, while transgressing the commandments of God.

You deceive people when you put the commandments in the place of Jesus.
Case in point.

You deceive yourself when you put your own faith-alone in the place of keeping Jesus' commandments.
 
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Heb {6:1}
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,


Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
No man has the faith of Jesus Christ toward God without repenting of transgressions, and keeping His commandments.

Jhn 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

No man begins to love Jesus Christ without keeping His commandments, much less abides in His love while transgressing His commandments.

The gospel of faith-alone justification while transgressing commandments of God, is false.

The faith of transgressors to be justified by Christ, is in a false Christ that justifies transgressing God's commandments.

Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
 
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ATG said:
Believing in whole justification without whole sanctification is worshipping one's own faith alone.
1 Corinthians 1:27-31 KJV
30) But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
No man has any wisdom, righteousness, and redemption of Christ Jesus, that is not sanctified by Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Nor washed, nor justified.
 
For once I would be all too glad to be wrong, and haply mistaken: I have gladly ceased from bodily sinning by the Spirit of the Lord, and cease breaking His commandments. Have you also?
Wow ! When did you become a Sabbath Keeping Saint, as in Revelation 14:12 ?

It was just a short while ago you were preaching a religion of "disobedience" to God, siding with Satan, anti-Sabbath, rather than obedience, siding with Jesus. I easily remember, cuz you and I have gone a few rounds over this topic publicly.

So now you are claiming, 100% walking in the Spirit, and being "Jesus perfect", like the Pope of Rome claims... "infallibility" and being God on Earth ...
I hope you realize that you and the Pope are committing "Blasphemy"

Wow ! Speaking of the epitome of "Self- Righteousness"
Sounds to me that you are believing the Second Lie of Satan, ( as well as 1st) “be like gods, knowing good and evil” " Genesis 3:5


Ecclesiastes 7:20, "Surely there is no righteous man on earth who does good and never sins."

Other key passages reinforcing this truth include:
  • 1 John 1:8: "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
  • Romans 3:23: "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
  • John 8:7: Jesus states, "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her," implying that no accuser is without sin.
... and no, ... I have not stopped sinning, and the Holy Spirit is doing a might work in \ on me .. called sanctification.

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No man begins to love Jesus Christ without keeping His commandments, much less abides in His love while transgressing His commandments.
So ! You are a Sabbath Keeper now ?

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