Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[HeIsHere]

Says the person who refuses to answer my question on whether or not you have the understanding that JESUS IS THE ALPHA & OMEGA. I don't believe you do.

That was a real question?

 

[HeIsHere]

There was no New Testament gospel in the old testament before Jesus came in the flesh that was sent to the gentiles because the Jews rejected Jesus

All that went down in the New Covenant.

You did understand that there was an old covenant that Jesus came to take away so He could establish the New Covenant right?

Not sure how many times I have to repeat this but here we go again.....

The church (ekklesia) is also found in the OT times... God has always had a faithful, called out people, from the beginning.


Those who trusted in future coming Promise and those who trusted in The Promise when it arrived.

 

[cv5]

The church (ekkelesia) was present in the OT as already shown over and over.

No one reads scripture and finds dispensationalism, no one, but it can be a constructed with an end goal in mind, by highlighting certain verses and downplaying the others, you know the usual approach of false systems.

Oh so what is this latest heresy? You are now declaring that in fact the congregation of the Children of Israel under the Mosaic Covenant are no different than the mystery New Man, the gentile ***virgin*** Bride the Body of Christ?

[Col 1:26-27 KJV]
26 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27 To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

And there you go folks. You are witnesses. Behold in shock and awe the profound error of the supercessionists.

 

[Revelation1v8]

That was a real question?

Yes, it was a real question. Your answers in this thread have been worded in such a way that I can't tell if you're just ignorant of the Old Testament or if you're someone claiming to be a Christian who follows Christ because the God of the Old Testament is the boogey man. Seriously, there are some of them out there.

 

[OMC]

Oh so what is this latest heresy? You are now declaring that in fact the congregation of the Children of Israel under the Mosaic Covenant are no different than the mystery New Man, the gentile ***virgin*** Bride the Body of Christ?

And there you go folks. You are witnesses. Behold in shock and awe the profound error of the supercessionists

It’s fascinating that you think you’ve uncovered some apocalyptic “latest heresy” when Paul already said “He made both one… creating ONE NEW MAN” (Eph 2:14–15), which means your dramatic gasp‑fest is basically you being scandalized that the apostle didn’t consult your denominational flowchart; and your attempt to frame the Church as a “gentile virgin Bride” is adorable, since Revelation shows the Bride as the New Jerusalem containing the twelve tribes and the apostles (Rev 21:9–14), so your Jew‑vs‑Gentile purity categories collapse faster than a cheap lawn chair; and your “shock and awe” over supersessionism is precious, because Paul already said “not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel” (Rom 9:6), meaning the only thing being “witnessed” here is your astonishment that Scripture refuses to bow to your system — but yes, please continue narrating your theological meltdown like it’s a live‑broadcast catastrophe for the ages. I just made popcorn.

 

[HeIsHere]

Yes, it was a real question. Your answers in this thread have been worded in such a way that I can't tell if you're just ignorant of the Old Testament or if you're someone claiming to be a Christian who follows Christ because the God of the Old Testament is the boogey man. Seriously, there are some of them out there.

Well once again it is about the the false doctrine of dispensationalism, not me.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Not sure how many times I have to repeat this but here we go again.....

The church (ekklesia) is also found in the OT times... God has always had a faithful, called out people, from the beginning.


Those who trusted in future coming Promise and those who trusted in The Promise when it arrived.

Help us out. If you're talking about including Moses into the church, that's fine, but you might want to clarify what you mean.

 

[HeIsHere]

It’s fascinating that you think you’ve uncovered some apocalyptic “latest heresy” when Paul already said “He made both one… creating ONE NEW MAN” (Eph 2:14–15), which means your dramatic gasp‑fest is basically you being scandalized that the apostle didn’t consult your denominational flowchart; and your attempt to frame the Church as a “gentile virgin Bride” is adorable, since Revelation shows the Bride as the New Jerusalem containing the twelve tribes and the apostles (Rev 21:9–14), so your Jew‑vs‑Gentile purity categories collapse faster than a cheap lawn chair; and your “shock and awe” over supersessionism is precious, because Paul already said “not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel” (Rom 9:6), meaning the only thing being “witnessed” here is your astonishment that Scripture refuses to bow to your system — but yes, please continue narrating your theological meltdown like it’s a live‑broadcast catastrophe for the ages. I just made popcorn.

This is pretty funny.. I know you probably not trying to be funny, but nonetheless it has comedic insight.

 

[ScooterJackson]

Not sure how many times I have to repeat this but here we go again.....

The church (ekklesia) is also found in the OT times... God has always had a faithful, called out people, from the beginning.

Not sure how many times I have to repeat this but here we go again.....

There was no New Testament gospel in the old testament before Jesus came in the flesh that was sent to the gentiles because the Jews rejected Jesus

All that went down in the New Covenant.

You did understand that there was an old covenant that Jesus came to take away so He could establish the New Covenant right?

Those who trusted in future coming Promise and those who trusted in The Promise when it arrived.

Those approved by the Lord in the OT were not referred to as the Body of Christ

 

[ScooterJackson]

And there you go folks. You are witnesses. Behold in shock and awe the profound error of the supercessionists.

He be shockin Ya'll

 

[HeIsHere]

Help us out. If you're talking about including Moses into the church, that's fine, but you might want to clarify what you mean.

Were people "saved by grace through faith in the OT" based on the future atonement of Christ Jesus?

Abraham did believe God and was declared righteous correct?

 

[HeIsHere]

Not sure how many times I have to repeat this but here we go again.....

There was no New Testament gospel in the old testament before Jesus came in the flesh that was sent to the gentiles because the Jews rejected Jesus

All that went down in the New Covenant.

You did understand that there was an old covenant that Jesus came to take away so He could establish the New Covenant right?



Those approved by the Lord in the OT were not referred to as the Body of Christ

Well they were referred to as the church and when I get back I will show you if I consider it worth my time.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Were people "saved by grace through faith in the OT" based on the future atonement of Christ Jesus?

Abraham did believe God and was declared righteous correct?

People were saved by grace through their faith in God/Jesus. Period. The Bible tells us that it was accounted to Abraham for his level of righteousness.

Jesus told you He knew Abraham in John 8:56-58.

Jesus told you that Moses wrote about Him in John 5:46.

Paul told you that Jesus was the Rock that followed Moses and the rest of them through the desert in 1 Corinthians 10:1-4

 

[ScooterJackson]

Well they were referred to as the church and when I get back I will show you if I consider it worth my time.

Do you not recognize the difference between the old covenant and the new covenant?

You did know that in the old covenant nobody could be born again and translated from darkness in to the Kingdom of God's Son during that time right?

Of course we know it's not "worthy of your time" which is code for you can't back up your claim from scripture

 

[Revelation1v8]

It’s fascinating that you think you’ve uncovered some apocalyptic “latest heresy” when Paul already said “He made both one… creating ONE NEW MAN” (Eph 2:14–15), which means your dramatic gasp‑fest is basically you being scandalized that the apostle didn’t consult your denominational flowchart; and your attempt to frame the Church as a “gentile virgin Bride” is adorable, since Revelation shows the Bride as the New Jerusalem containing the twelve tribes and the apostles (Rev 21:9–14), so your Jew‑vs‑Gentile purity categories collapse faster than a cheap lawn chair; and your “shock and awe” over supersessionism is precious, because Paul already said “not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel” (Rom 9:6), meaning the only thing being “witnessed” here is your astonishment that Scripture refuses to bow to your system — but yes, please continue narrating your theological meltdown like it’s a live‑broadcast catastrophe for the ages. I just made popcorn.

I think there's a communication breakdown taking place here among everyone. cv5 was making a dig at Replacement Theology like he always does, but he's not one of them. As far as I can tell, he believes in the community of all believers. While Jesus broke down that wall, Israel and the Jews haven't. The time will come when like Paul, the Holy Spirit will be poured out onto them (and replacement theologists) in order to come to the understanding of how we will all be united in Christ, but it won't happen before His return (for either camp apparently).

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Let's not forget that as Gentiles, we are "fellowheirs". You have the literal heirs of Israel and the fellowheirs in the Gentile nations. The seed of Abraham is both literal (Israelites) and spiritual (Gentiles). For Paul, he had to experience a personal revelation from Jesus Christ himself in order to believe, since he was formerly persecuting Christians before Jesus met him while on the road to Damascus.

Ephesians 3:3-7

3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
It will be the same way for many Israelites when Jesus returns, cuts down all the nations that ever tried to come up against Jerusalem (Zechariah 12), and preserve a repentant remnant of them to remain in the land in order to bless them (Zechariah 13:8-9).

This is why it strikes me so odd that someone would publish a verse like the one below and immediately try to turn it around and explain it away....

“and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭12:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Maybe that verse alone should be one that we ponder and seek out more detail, so here is the expanded A.I. explanation of Genesis 12:3.

Genesis 12:3 is a pivotal covenantal declaration where God promises three distinct outcomes regarding Abraham (then Abram): divine protection for his allies, judgment for his adversaries, and universal salvation through his lineage. The verse states: "I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."

1. Divine Protection and Covenant Alignment​

The first two clauses establish a principle of divine justice and alignment. God identifies His cause with Abraham’s, promising to favor those who support him and curse those who oppose him. This serves as a protective guarantee for Abraham and his descendants, signaling that treatment of God’s chosen people is treated as treatment of God Himself. Historically, this is seen in events like the plagues upon Pharaoh when he mistreated Abraham, illustrating that opposing Abraham is equivalent to opposing God’s redemptive agenda.

2. Universal Blessing Through Christ​

The third clause, "in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed," shifts the focus from national protection to global redemption. This is the theological heart of the verse, indicating that God’s choice of Abraham was not merely for ethnic privilege but to serve as the channel for saving all humanity. Christian theology, particularly in the New Testament (e.g., Galatians 3:8, 16), interprets this as a prophecy of Jesus Christ, a descendant of Abraham, through whom salvation and justification by faith are offered to all nations.

3. Theological and Practical Implications​

Theologically, Genesis 12:3 introduces the Abrahamic Covenant, which includes a promised land, a chosen people, and a blessing for all nations. It demonstrates God’s sovereignty in history and His grace in choosing one man to mediate blessing to the world. Practically, it encourages believers to honor God’s purposes and recognize that their treatment of others and alignment with divine truth have spiritual consequences, while the ultimate goal is the inclusion of all peoples in God’s redemptive plan.

“Let's not forget that as Gentiles, we are "fellowheirs". You have the literal heirs of Israel and the fellowheirs in the Gentile nations. The seed of Abraham is both literal (Israelites) and spiritual (Gentiles)”

naw my position is an Israelite who accepts Jesus is an hier of Abraham and a gentile who accepts Jesus is an hoer of Abraham . It’s simple it doesn’t take explaination by anything but scripture it’s repetetive

“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For are not all Israel, which are of Israel: That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:6, 8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The promise is in Christ only being israelite won’t save anyone having faith in Christ will save anyone regardless of thier flesh it’s meaningless because there’s a new covenant made with new born people who are born in christ as the seed and hiers of Abraham ……
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬


they alone are the seed of Abraham who is Christ Jesus the seed of promise

But really to me it’s already explained in the Bible so re explaining it some other way is futile and a waste of time



Christian’s regardless of thier identity are Abraham’s hiers and also the faithful of the ot like Abraham Isaac and Jacob who’s kingdom we’ll inherit

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Do you not recognize the difference between the old covenant and the new covenant?

You did know that in the old covenant nobody could be born again and translated from darkness in to the Kingdom of God's Son during that time right?

Of course we know it's not "worthy of your time" which is code for you can't back up your claim from scriptur

“And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭8:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they didn’t need to be reborn they had a covenant from god made with Abraham then until israel later broke it they didn’t need redemption or rebirth under thier testament they are the original hiers of gods promise of the kingdom…. They needed repentance and observation of thier many laws and ordinances but never happened

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You crack me up.

This is what I've told many on here before; if the Holy Spirit revealed everything to everyone (including Christians) at the same time, then God's plan for the world (as written) probably wouldn't unfold so easily. Some people need to remain blinded until the right time, just like the Jews.

They aren’t blind for no reason he decided to blind then because they continuously rebelled and worshipped other gods as of they couldn’t hear or see so he made them blind and deaf to the truth ……but for the remnant he proposed to spare and send to the nations the inheritor of his mountains the body of christ

 

[cv5]

Yes, it was a real question. Your answers in this thread have been worded in such a way that I can't tell if you're just ignorant of the Old Testament or if you're someone claiming to be a Christian who follows Christ because the God of the Old Testament is the boogey man. Seriously, there are some of them out there.

Do you want to play some more patty-cake with @HeIsHere ? Ask her the following question:

"Is Christ Jesus coming again bodily to the EARTH where every eye will see Him, in order to reign and rule from His throne in Jerusalem? Yes or no?"

I can tell you right now that you will NOT get a straight answer. What you WILL get is shucking and jiving, circumlocution, vague nonsensical bafflegab or some other exit strategy.

BTW, the response (or failure to respond) on this question alone is sufficient to establish whether someone is WHEAT or TARES.

 

[cv5]

Do you not recognize the difference between the old covenant and the new covenant?

You did know that in the old covenant nobody could be born again and translated from darkness in to the Kingdom of God's Son during that time right?

Of course we know it's not "worthy of your time" which is code for you can't back up your claim from scripture

Ask @HeIsHere the following question:

"What is the trigger/precursor event that literally causes the literal Second Coming to the literal earth"?

Get ready for the avalanche of bafflegab and circumlocution and double-talk....