Revolution in Iran

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It's been a couple decades but I've read On the Jewish Wars and Antiquities of the Jews. Frankly I didn't read Josephus until after I became a Christian and the read the whole Bible for the first time in my teens. Like most, my interest at the time in Josephus when I read him was moreso in the Testimonium Flavianum (in Antiquities). Though the Testimonium is disputed, it's still the same principle as like Tacitus testifying about certain biblical fact regarding the crucifixion and surrounding details, but you have to keep in mind Tacitus was a pagan not a Christian, and in fact he was a persecutor of the Christians. Same with Josephus was a Pharisee, he really wasn't a Christian, and he in fact is one of the most infamous traitors in all of history, but because the Bible is historically true despite what modern revionist want to pretend, certain historical facts about the Bible are corroborated even in secular history.

Yes there's a lot of writings to be careful of some not Christian and others that even Jerome was not sure which were which when he translated our own bible like the multiple different translations of Matthew that they were debating was the actual Apostles Gospel in the Churches in the 300's ce https://hebrewgospel.com/jeromespeculation.php
 
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What specifically written by Josephus denies the partial and / or preterism?

Jesus makes clear they are judged for not accepting Him.
We look at Josephus not to usurp the words of Jesus but to give an historical account of what happened.

Now SonJudgment slanders Josephus and believes this is sufficient to discount him so he likes to operate at a superficial level and think that is adequate, however that is not how historians judge historical documents.
Accuracy is determined many different ways.
"an historical account of what happened".

What then happened is not in dispute. Rather it is what DID NOT YET happen that is your insurmountable problem.
 
And how does this deny the fulfillment of Matthew 24?

Matthew 24? Are you connecting Matthew 24 and Revelation 13's mark of the beast/worship the image as being the same event? If so and your seeing it,(Rev.13) as already fulfilled can you explain where your seeing it in Matthew 24?
 
Matthew 24? Are you connecting Matthew 24 and Revelation 13's mark of the beast/worship the image as being the same event? If so and your seeing it,(Rev.13) as already fulfilled can you explain where your seeing it in Matthew 24?

Firstly, the book of Revelation had to be read to the seven churches in Asia Minor.

This means that those first century believers knew what it was about.

They knew about the gemetria and would have been able to understand the warnings.

It was not something strange to them. It is to us modern readers but not to them
And if this book was about things that would come in a very distant future , how could it have been relevant to them?
We definitely should stop reading this book as if it had been written 6 months ago and to us.

The mark represents allegiance to the Roman Empire, initially the Jews were able to keep use their own currency, this was taken away from them and they were forced to use the Roman currency.

Also note that the head and hand connection to Deuteronomy 6:8 ... the mark of the beast is the inverse of this.

Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.

Thinking this applies to the church is just bad hermeneutics.

Anyway I know you are steeped in the futurist view from your posts I doubt we can have any meaningful discussion and I am quite busy with a project so I will leave it there, if you really want to test beliefs you would do the work... I sincerely doubt that the NT can be understood correctly unless one makes this correct connections to the first century.
 
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From 4bce to 70ce the Jews did the exact opposite. They refused to let the Romans put their images in the Temple and never bowed down to Caesar as if he were God. And they minted their own money coins to keep from using those with the Romans images on them. The Jews in history did the exact opposite of what preterism says they did.

 
And how does this deny the fulfillment of Matthew 24?
Go outside and look up, is the Sun darkened? Wait until night, go back outside, is the Moon still giving off light, are the stars falling out of the sky? Is there a massive army of holy angels and male virgin saints and Jesus in the sky? Are all the filthy fornicators of every singly race in our generation mouning and crying because there is actually a God and he is the one they rejected? All these things will happen in a single generation and that generation won't pass until they all happen.

Matthew 24:29-34
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
 
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From 4bce to 70ce the Jews did the exact opposite. They refused to let the Romans put their images in the Temple and never bowed down to Caesar as if he were God. And they minted their own money coins to keep from using those with the Romans images on them. The Jews in history did the exact opposite of what preterism says they did.


70 CE (Destruction of the Second Temple): Following the First Jewish Revolt, Emperor Vespasian heavily punished the Jewish population by imposing the Fiscus Judaicus. This was a mandatory annual tax imposed on all Jews throughout the empire. To pay it, Jews were required to use standard Roman currency
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Go outside and look up, is the Sun darkened? Wait until night, go back outside, is the Moon still giving off light, are the stars falling out of the sky? Is there a massive army of holy angels and male virgin saints and Jesus in the sky? Are all the filthy fornicators of every singly race in our generation mouning and crying because there is actually a God and he is the one they rejected? All these things will happen in a single generation and that generation won't pass until they all happen.

Matthew 24:29-34
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
I don't think you understand Preterism. This doctrine takes the word of God literally and it cannot be taken figuratively when it is speaking literally unless it doesn't fit when they are interpreting literally in which case it must be taken more as a guideline unless that also does not fit in which case you ignore it.

For example, "not one stone left on another, that shall not be thrown down" that can be taken literally for 70 AD, therefore you cannot look at this figuratively as believers are living stones, the church is the temple of God and when the rapture takes place those stones whose faith is resting on the doctrine of man, for example Preterism, will be thrown down.

You shall hear of wars and rumors of war. Practically speaking the people in Jerusalem heard of one war, not wars, and perhaps rumors associated with that war. So you can't take this literally therefore you must consider that Jesus was speaking more as a guideline. War, wars, its all about the same thing. And when they "hear" of these things it is not referring to radio or TV or the internet, no it means your neighbor is telling you this.

An even better example of this principle is "you shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake". Obviously that cannot possibly refer to 70 AD unless you understand that this was simply Jesus speaking in hyperbole. He didn't really mean "all nations" when He said "all nations" He meant the Roman Empire. It was an empire, so think of it as a conglomerate of a few nations.

Likewise this "gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all the nations", again hyperbole. Obviously this never happened by 70 AD. No one took the gospel to China by that time. No one took the gospel to North or South America, or many other nations. Now you might ask "why"? We can see that indeed the gospel has gone to these places during the church age, but you see if the answer to the question "when" is 70 AD then you have to ignore all evidence to the contrary.

For example no one saw the abomination of desolation stand in the Holy place in 70 AD when they fled. So the rule is simple, it doesn't fit the answer, so just ignore it. When they say you must believe every word of the Bible they mean "every word that supports our theory". They don't mean verses that debunk it, those you are to ignore.

Now test yourself to see if you got it

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

So if this is referring to 70 AD what do you do with the Holocaust, and other Genocides? Do you A. take this literally? or B. see this as hyperbole or C. Ignore it because it debunks the theory?

The answer is C.
 
Go outside and look up, is the Sun darkened? Wait until night, go back outside, is the Moon still giving off light, are the stars falling out of the sky? Is there a massive army of holy angels and male virgin saints and Jesus in the sky? Are all the filthy fornicators of every singly race in our generation mouning and crying because there is actually a God and he is the one they rejected? All these things will happen in a single generation and that generation won't pass until they all happen.

Matthew 24:29-34
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
She has no answer. To that or any other prophetic utterance that does not fit into her 70AD thimble.
 
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I don't think you understand Preterism. This doctrine takes the word of God literally and it cannot be taken figuratively when it is speaking literally unless it doesn't fit when they are interpreting literally in which case it must be taken more as a guideline.

For example, "not one stone left on another, that shall not be thrown down" that can be taken literally for 70 AD, therefore you cannot look at this figuratively as believers are living stones, the church is the temple of God and when the rapture takes place those stones whose faith is resting on the doctrine of man, for example Preterism, will be thrown down.

You shall hear of wars and rumors of war. Practically speaking the people in Jerusalem heard of one war, not wars, and perhaps rumors associated with that war. So you can't take this literally therefore you must consider that Jesus was speaking more as a guideline. War, wars, its all about the same thing. And when they "hear" of these things it is not referring to radio or TV or the internet, no it means your neighbor is telling you this.

An even better example of this principle is "you shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake". Obviously that cannot possibly refer to 70 AD unless you understand that this was simply Jesus speaking in hyperbole. He didn't really mean "all nations" when He said "all nations" He meant the Roman Empire. It was an empire, so think of it as a conglomerate of a few nations.

Likewise this "gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all the nations", again hyperbole. Obviously this never happened by 70 AD. No one took the gospel to China by that time. No one took the gospel to North or South America, or many other nations. Now you might ask "why"? We can see that indeed the gospel has gone to these places during the church age, but you see if the answer to the question "when" is 70 AD then you have to ignore all evidence to the contrary.

For example no one saw the abomination of desolation stand in the Holy place in 70 AD when they fled. So the rule is simple, it doesn't fit the answer, so just ignore it. When they say you must believe every word of the Bible they mean "every word that supports our theory". They don't mean verses that debunk it, those you are to ignore.

Now test yourself to see if you got it

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

So if this is referring to 70 AD what do you do with the Holocaust, and other Genocides? Do you A. take this literally? or B. see this as hyperbole or C. Ignore it because it debunks the theory?

The answer is C.
Oh I'm aware, it's the ostrich-with-the-head-in-sand technique of selective reading and selective memory. It's let's bury our head in the sand and maybe the Apocalypse won't happen to punish the evil generations like they deserve.
 
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70 CE (Destruction of the Second Temple): Following the First Jewish Revolt, Emperor Vespasian heavily punished the Jewish population by imposing the Fiscus Judaicus. This was a mandatory annual tax imposed on all Jews throughout the empire. To pay it, Jews were required to use standard Roman currency
Wikipedia
Oh wow. That has to be the time of Jacobs trouble. For sure.

No not really. Actually to postulate such Biblically illiterate nonsense is cringeworthy.

Jer 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

Jer 30:8
For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

Jer 30:9
But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

Dan 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Dan 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
 
I don't think you understand Preterism. This doctrine takes the word of God literally and it cannot be taken figuratively when it is speaking literally unless it doesn't fit when they are interpreting literally in which case it must be taken more as a guideline unless that also does not fit in which case you ignore it.

For example, "not one stone left on another, that shall not be thrown down" that can be taken literally for 70 AD, therefore you cannot look at this figuratively as believers are living stones, the church is the temple of God and when the rapture takes place those stones whose faith is resting on the doctrine of man, for example Preterism, will be thrown down.

You shall hear of wars and rumors of war. Practically speaking the people in Jerusalem heard of one war, not wars, and perhaps rumors associated with that war. So you can't take this literally therefore you must consider that Jesus was speaking more as a guideline. War, wars, its all about the same thing. And when they "hear" of these things it is not referring to radio or TV or the internet, no it means your neighbor is telling you this.

An even better example of this principle is "you shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake". Obviously that cannot possibly refer to 70 AD unless you understand that this was simply Jesus speaking in hyperbole. He didn't really mean "all nations" when He said "all nations" He meant the Roman Empire. It was an empire, so think of it as a conglomerate of a few nations.

Likewise this "gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all the nations", again hyperbole. Obviously this never happened by 70 AD. No one took the gospel to China by that time. No one took the gospel to North or South America, or many other nations. Now you might ask "why"? We can see that indeed the gospel has gone to these places during the church age, but you see if the answer to the question "when" is 70 AD then you have to ignore all evidence to the contrary.

For example no one saw the abomination of desolation stand in the Holy place in 70 AD when they fled. So the rule is simple, it doesn't fit the answer, so just ignore it. When they say you must believe every word of the Bible they mean "every word that supports our theory". They don't mean verses that debunk it, those you are to ignore.

Now test yourself to see if you got it

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

So if this is referring to 70 AD what do you do with the Holocaust, and other Genocides? Do you A. take this literally? or B. see this as hyperbole or C. Ignore it because it debunks the theory?

The answer is C.

It is the use of correct Biblical hermeneutic and reading scripture through the lens of near east language and culture, people who speak English only can never really understand how those ancient civilizations expressed themselves.

Of course this is why Darby and Scofield were so effective at spreading this dispensational system throughout America because the

pastors largely Biblically illiterate with no real understanding of types of expressive language of that area of the world and

audience relevance the first rule of hermeneutics ( along with idiomatic expressions and symbolism NOT HYPERBOLE) adopted

those notes as reliable, unfortunately.
 
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Well back to the central topic and the present. As Iran has surrendered and the details are still being worked out, JD Vance stands up strong again, to discuss the details of unfreezing Iranian assets. JD has a pretty good idea that some of the unfrozen money could be used to buy US farm product to help mitigate the immediate water and food crises.


 
70 CE (Destruction of the Second Temple): Following the First Jewish Revolt, Emperor Vespasian heavily punished the Jewish population by imposing the Fiscus Judaicus. This was a mandatory annual tax imposed on all Jews throughout the empire. To pay it, Jews were required to use standard Roman currency
Wikipedia
Your mingling the Jews who revolted in ad70 who did not have the testimony of Jesus(Jews denied Jesus as Christ) with those who died/die because thy do have the testimony of Christ and don't worship the image or receive it's mark. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 20:4&version=NIV
Timeline!

Jews who don't believe in Christ Jesus cannot die in ad70 and fulfill the Scriptures about Christians that die because they refuse to worship the beast image or receive it's mark. It's impossible for unbeliever's to fulfill Scriptures written about believers.
 
Your mingling the Jews who revolted in ad70 who did not have the testimony of Jesus(Jews denied Jesus as Christ) with those who died/die because thy do have the testimony of Christ and don't worship the image or receive it's mark. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 20:4&version=NIV


Jews who don't believe in Christ Jesus cannot die in ad70 and fulfill the Scriptures about Christians that die because they refuse to worship the beast image or receive it's mark. It's impossible for unbeliever's to fulfill Scriptures written about believers.

I am not mingling anything I am dividing them, there were believers who heeded the warnings of letters and the non-believers who did not.

There is evidence that many believers fled to Pella as they were instructed to do.
 
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