Sabbath Obligation?

[JaumeJ]

"But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, said the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. "

The morality that the law of Moses taught is written in believer's hearts. We no longer need to keep the outward acts.

This understanding is unfortunate at best.
The law of Moses is,first, only written down by him, and second it is fulfilled by our Savior, Jesus-Yeshua. How could we possibly have all those laws on our hearts, the sacrificial, the priesthood as written, the dietary, the punitive and more? You really should meditate on the law afdter reading it, and also learn from our Savior exactly the laws He says will not be abolished nor fulfilled yet.
It would be frustrating were it not so important to address this matter continuously with so many who do not know which laws comprise the two great laws from all of the law.
I am saved by grace, yet I do my best with the help of our Savior to be obedient to what my heart knows are the commandments and laws to be automatically obeyed whenever we are given to be in such power. Now, do not say the "law of Moses " is written on our hearts when it is not, rather the Wil of our Father is on our hearts to understand how the law is to obeyed under grace. We are only saved by the gift of grace and faith.

 

[Dave-L]

This would be so if you deny the teachings of Christ, with Paul explaining Christ in the NT. The OT is of God and so is the NT. God destroys nothing that He has done but some things are not of use any longer but obsolete.

Jeremiah says God replaced the Ten Commandments with the New Covenant. It is sin in trying to reverse that.

 

[Dave-L]

Is this telling us that there is no God in the OT? That would wipe out creation.

How does that work?

 

[garee]

You're welcome to your opinion of course, but when you make claims as to what the Scripture states, your statements must be consistent with Scripture. Nothing is said in the Law about the Levites taking care of of the less fortunate. Further, while all priests are Levites, not all Levites are priests.

The "gospel" was not preached by the Levites at all; they didn't know it. I have asked you where in Scripture "fasting" is defined, or even correlated, with "getting the gospel out". You haven't answered. Until you do, with Scripture, all the comments you make on the subject are wasted. Establish the foundation of the idea first, then build on it.

Of course they knew what the gospel was . The sufferings of Christ beforehand came out in the ceremonies .Like the fasting ceremony. One day a week to share the gospel with the poor.

 

[garee]

Jeremiah says God replaced the Ten Commandments with the New Covenant. It is sin in trying to reverse that.

I think he used the ten commandments as part of the new covenant. The letter of the law death will be around until the last day .Then death will be cast away never to return and condemn to death a entire creation..

In that way there is not life in the letter of the law and where the law of faith comes in and makes one new prefect law /The law of Love the gospel of peace.

b3 The law was without power because it was made weak by our sinful selves. But God did what the law could not do: He sent his own Son to earth with the same human life that everyone else uses for sin. God sent him to be an offering to pay for sin. So God used a human life to destroy sin. 4 He did this so that we could be right just as the law said we must be. Now we don’t live following our sinful selves. We live following the Spirit. because the letter of the law could not

In that way there is not life in the letter of the law. Life is in the unseen law of the Spirit . Apart from each other they have no power. Working as on perfect law they preform many attributes as the power of God that does work in those who do believe,

The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward. Psalms 19 7-11

The two laws. The unseen law of faith and that seen the letter of the law death make one.

Its the legion or father of lies that desires to separate and make it all one law of works .No power coming from the hearing of faith to rise on the last day

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith

 

[Dave-L]

I think he used the ten commandments as part of the new covenant. The letter of the law death will be around until the last day .Then death will be cast away never to return and condemn to death a entire creation..

In that way there is not life in the letter of the law and where the law of faith comes in and makes one new prefect law /The law of Love the gospel of peace.

b3 The law was without power because it was made weak by our sinful selves. But God did what the law could not do: He sent his own Son to earth with the same human life that everyone else uses for sin. God sent him to be an offering to pay for sin. So God used a human life to destroy sin. 4 He did this so that we could be right just as the law said we must be. Now we don’t live following our sinful selves. We live following the Spirit. because the letter of the law could not

In that way there is not life in the letter of the law. Life is in the unseen law of the Spirit . Apart from each other they have no power. Working as on perfect law they preform many attributes as the power of God that does work in those who do believe,

The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward. Psalms 19 7-11

The two laws. The unseen law of faith and that seen the letter of the law death make one.

Its the legion or father of lies that desires to separate and make it all one law of works .No power coming from the hearing of faith to rise on the last day

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith

The Apostles imported most of the TCs into the New Covenant. But not the Sabbath.

 

[Runningman]

"We ought to obey God rather than men."

I will continue to teach sound doctrine. The word of God makes it clear that we are no longer under the law neither the 10 commandments as I proved with God given scripture in my first post. That doesn't mean we aren't under the "law of liberty" and
required to live moral and righteous lives through obedience unto God's will. They that continue on willfully sinning after being forgiven through Christ's sacrifice, there are a few scriptures for you:

Hberews 10;16-29 KJB
"26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"

Your first post was good, but that Hebrews 10:26-29 verse doesn't mean what you posit it does. The sacrifice of Jesus redeems believes for all time as long as they keep the faith. Some may argue that losing faith doesn't nullify salvation, but I'm not sure about that.

Losing salvation after sinning willfully is contrary to the rest of scripture which states that God forgives those who forgive others, repent, and confess their sins to Him. The new covenant places Christians under grace, not law keeping.

Refresh on reading Romans.

If the verse you posted were true in the context you're presenting it in then suddenly we're back to no one being saved except by works and law keeping which is effectively what Judaism is and what the writers of Hebrews is trying to persuade people to abandon.

One thing I think will help you see the perspective here is that most of Hebrews is a sermon written to persuade people practicing Judaism to repent and come to Christ and abandon the old covenant.

 

[BlessedCreator]

You're right.

The Hebrews verse 10:26 is talking about the regenerated Christian apostasizing from the faith, walking contrary to God, leaving their faith then again one day attempting to return, and it's not that it's impossible or that God wouldnt allow them it's that if the grace of God and your own will was not able to keep you before, it is unlikely you will be able to build your house upon the rock at a second attempt.

That doesnt mean willful sin is okay with God. Do not tempt God with willful sin.

Romans 6:16 KJB
"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"

1 Timothy 5:6 KJB
"But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth."

Hebrews 10:29 KJB
"Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"

 

[Dino246]

Of course they knew what the gospel was . The sufferings of Christ beforehand came out in the ceremonies .Like the fasting ceremony. One day a week to share the gospel with the poor.

You continually avoid my question. Step up like a man and answer it:

WHERE in Scripture is "fasting" defined as "sharing the gospel"?

 

[Benadam]

For a while Christians observed both the Sabath and the Lord's Day. They went to the synogogue on the last day of the week to spread the Gospel as Jesus did, and on the first day of the week they gathered to break bread at sunrise.

As time passed they were no longer welcome at the local synagogues. With the synagogue not available to them their obligation was limited to the Lord's Day.

This was how the Holy Spirit reminded them that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath and the Lord's Day is a new day, the eighth day, the eternal day of rest with God.

The obligation to set a day aside to honor God is a positive commandment. Its the only commandment that includes a ceremonial component. That component can be changed, was changed and is now fulfilled by the gathering of the community on the Lord's Day.

 

[BlessedCreator]

What you are teaching is Ghostism, not Christianity. The Ghostics say that only the spiuritual has value, anything physical is evil. Read the second chapter of Colossians, it teaches that this is the ideas of false prophets teaching the the physical of teaching do not touch, taste, or handle is not to be listened to.

The Lord is speaking to us through the Holy Spirit, the Lord is not speaking to us through the orders of physical orders that only symbolize the spirit. The Lord is not saying we must not do anything except with our thoughts or spirit. We are still to worship, feast, celebrate.

I'm not teaching that anything physical is evil. I'm teaching we are under a new covenant that is no longer under ANY of the laws or commandments God gave to Moses. We now have a deeper more clear understanding of ALL things. We now have the core morality that the laws and commandments taught written on our hearts through understanding what God's righteous judgment/will is by the Spirit that now lives in and guides us.

Galatians 3:3-5 KJB
"
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?"

Ellicott commentary on the above verse: "
Having begun in the Spirit.—Begun your career as Christians in a manner so entirely spiritual—with the spiritual act of faith on your part, and with an answering gift of spiritual graces and powers.

Made perfect by the flesh.—Do you wish to finish and complete the career thus auspiciously begun under a system of things entirely different—a system carnal and material, narrow, slavish, and literal—the Law in place of the Gospel? By “the flesh” is here meant the Law, which, though described as spiritual in Horn. vii. 14, and though it really was spiritual in view of its origin, in another aspect—as imposing a system of literal obedience upon its adherents—was carnal, “earthly,” rigid, petty, and low. It had none of that sublime expansiveness and aspiration which belongs to faith. It was a grievous reversing of the whole order of progress—to begin with faith, and, instead of completing with faith that which faith had begun, to fall back upon a condition of things which was shared with the Christian by the unemancipated Jew."

 

[JaumeJ]

No one in the OT discarde the Ten Commandments. Love is contained in each one.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

Sabbath Obligations, the most maddeningly paradoxical and retarded of Satan's lies that his children somehow adhere to like glue. It is kind of weird to me that of all the ludicrous heresies and pagan beliefs and customs that this is the one is still in vogue. I mean think about this, the moronic Pharisees and Sadducees in the name of defending the Sabbath are the ones breaking it the most with how they add some of the most ludicrous burdens to men on the day that God ordained these people are free from their burdens. An interesting episode in the Bible where Lord Jesus puts his enemies to shame.

Luke 13:10-17

10 And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath.

11 And, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself.

12 And when Jesus saw her, he called her to him, and said unto her, Woman, thou art loosed from thine infirmity.

13 And he laid his hands on her: and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God.

14 And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day.

15 The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering?

16 And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?

17 And when he had said these things, all his adversaries were ashamed: and all the people rejoiced for all the glorious things that were done by him.

 

[BlessedCreator]

For a while Christians observed both the Sabath and the Lord's Day. They went to the synogogue on the last day of the week to spread the Gospel as Jesus did, and on the first day of the week they gathered to break bread at sunrise.

As time passed they were no longer welcome at the local synagogues. With the synagogue not available to them their obligation was limited to the Lord's Day.

This was how the Holy Spirit reminded them that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath and the Lord's Day is a new day, the eighth day, the eternal day of rest with God.

The obligation to set a day aside to honor God is a positive commandment. Its the only commandment that includes a ceremonial component. That component can be changed, was changed and is now fulfilled by the gathering of the community on the Lord's Day.

So you are saying we no longer have to keep the saturday Sabbath but are obligated to keep a new sunday Sabbath?

This is contrary to scripture as proven in Colossians 2:16. Also no where in the Bible is your interpretation taught.

 

[Humbleservant777]

The Sabbath was created at the begining of creation before their were Jews so therefore the Sabbath was created for man, not man for the Sabbath. God's law has never changed even though an Antichrist man changed the laws so that Sunday the day of sun worship was taken on by the rest of the world. Technically we should be worshiping God everyday and whenever we do something we want to do instead of what God wants we are commiting the sin of self worship which is violating the 1st commandment. Thankfully Jesus forgives all sin. Because we sin so much and most of us don't even realize what we're doing, but sometimes we do. It's like Jesus said we know not what we do. Thank God for his mercy and Grace. Being that we have been brainwashed since birth into believe a bunch of lies, it is hard to break out of some habits like Sunday worship. Especially since that's when most churches have services. I do not think it is bad necessarily to worship on Sunday because we are worshiping the true God not some pagan. But I also think God would like it very much if more people would observe the true Sabbath. As he indicates in

Isaiah 58:

13 If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the Lord’s holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,
14 then you will find your joy in the Lord, and I will cause you to ride in triumph on the heights of the land
and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob.” For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

 

[garee]

The Apostles imported most of the TCs into the New Covenant. But not the Sabbath.

Two different Sabbaths. (one seen one not seen) The daily hourly when ever we hear his voice. . being strengthened we do not harden our hearts. and two, the ceremonial a shadow 1 day set aside to bring the gospel . the day we can rest from our required work

The Spirit of Christ and not the powerless Apostles imported a day set aside as Holy that men could get the gospel out into the word sharing their Manna, word of God .

No power is applied to the feet of the apostles. The word of God moves the holy men of old . If Christ does not wash the dust off our feet he has no part with us .

The new ceremonial law was implemented as a sign to the whole world of the up coming wedding of the bride of Christ. And invitation to the whole world. . all the nations.. . all of mankind .

The new ( 1 Corinthians 11) was made in two parts.

The men were to appear with no head covering and woman with their head of hair covered. Together as a representative glory they were used to represent the bride as to what sons of God which we are. . . then what we will be when we receive the new bodies . And along with it the wedding supper "the breaking of bread or sharing the hidden manna" a toast to fellowship of the blood of grapes or wine, the unity of the Spirit

 

[Dino246]

Two different Sabbaths. (one seen one not seen) The daily hourly when ever we hear his voice. . being strengthened we do not harden our hearts. and two, the ceremonial a shadow 1 day set aside to bring the gospel .

Where in Scripture is "bring the gospel" directly associated with "Sabbath", and why would a ceremonial shadow be part of bringing the gospel anyway?

 

[Benadam]

So you are saying we no longer have to keep the saturday Sabbath but are obligated to keep a new sunday Sabbath?

This is contrary to scripture as proven in Colossians 2:16. Also no where in the Bible is your interpretation taught.

Not contrary to scripture according to Jesus

Matt 19
Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”

17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

 

[garee]

So you are saying we no longer have to keep the saturday Sabbath but are obligated to keep a new sunday Sabbath?

This is contrary to scripture as proven in Colossians 2:16. Also no where in the Bible is your interpretation taught.

In one sense because it is a shadow it cannot make our hearts soft .Any day of the week can be set aside when normal work is not needed .Then mankind can to offer what the lord has given as a shadow to the rest. . daily hourly every moment we do need the help to walk .the true fast spoken of in Isaiah 58 .The kind of fast that can drive out lying spirits along with a desire prayer .

The teaching . . . . . . .not to look to the things seen as experiences of this life. It take away or apposes the faith of Christ that come by hearing the father .

Some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels. They always talk about the visions they have seen. Don’t listen to them when they say you are wrong because you don’t do these things. It is so foolish for them to feel such pride, because it is all based on their own human ideas. Colossians 2:18

It is also witnessed in Mathew 4: There three time the father of lies brings a experience. The Son of man weak in his flesh was given a fleshly interpretation . Because the father who worked in him protected his prophets. he puts word in the mouth of his prophet Jesus our high priest and high apostle. The lord who gave words they rebuked the devil

Experience is not the validator of the unseen spirit world. as it is written alone is.

The Colossians 2:18 principle was applied to the Son

Then the devil led Jesus to the top of a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and all the wonderful things in them. The devil said, “If you will bow down and worship me, I will give you all these things.”

Jesus said to him, “Get away from me, Satan! The Scriptures say,

‘You must worship the Lord your God.
Serve only him!’”
So the devil left him. Then some angels came to Jesus and helped him. Mathew 4:8-11

 

[garee]

Where in Scripture is "bring the gospel" directly associated with "Sabbath", and why would a ceremonial shadow be part of bringing the gospel anyway?

I would think that 1 Peter 1 :11 represents that work that did work in the old testaments saints to both will and do the good pleasure of Him. Christ who does work in us according to Job 23 in order perform the things that he appoints to us. He makes our hearts soft.

Not through the ceremonial law that spoke of our bloody husband Christ, the first born, sufferings beforehand. But the end glory the same glory we receive from the beginning. It works in us making our load lighter just as it did in the Son of man, Jesus. Yet Jesus remained without sin

You have not seen Christ, but still you love him. You can’t see him now, but you believe in him. You are filled with a wonderful and heavenly joy that cannot be explained. Your faith has a goal, and you are reaching that goal—your salvation. The prophets studied carefully and tried to learn about this salvation. They spoke about the grace that was coming to you.The Spirit of Christ was in those prophets. And the Spirit was telling about the sufferings that would happen to Christ and about the glory that would come after those sufferings. 1 Peter 1: 8-11

Without mixing faith in what one sees or hears. Mankind will not find rest. Their heart will remain rock hard no life . The gospel of rest.