Should the rich support the poor?
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I know, I see people saying it is free and every single time I have to wonder WHY they say that, especially when it is Canadians and former Canadians saying it 
The fee does cover most things, essential things, but not medication, and nothing elective like cosmetic surgery, though it will cover gender transition or reassignment surgery. So for instance, if I had cancer and needed chemo and radiation, or MRIs were scheduled by my doctor for whatever reason, that would be covered. If someone was in an auto accident and terribly banged up, or needed a prolonged hospital stay for any reason, that would be covered. I also have extended medical through work, and that covers 80% of prescription costs, 80% of most dental work and 50% of other dental work, plus 80% of physio or massage or chiropractor costs up to a certain amount per year per service.
The fee does cover most things, essential things, but not medication, and nothing elective like cosmetic surgery, though it will cover gender transition or reassignment surgery. So for instance, if I had cancer and needed chemo and radiation, or MRIs were scheduled by my doctor for whatever reason, that would be covered. If someone was in an auto accident and terribly banged up, or needed a prolonged hospital stay for any reason, that would be covered. I also have extended medical through work, and that covers 80% of prescription costs, 80% of most dental work and 50% of other dental work, plus 80% of physio or massage or chiropractor costs up to a certain amount per year per service. 
It also gives access to a family doctor (if and when you can find one, for they often say they are not accepting new patients, and if I want to see my GP, I have to wait a month for an appointment, and I like her, so I wait, otherwise, I could see one of the colleagues she has working in her office, which I will do if it is a bit of an emergency situation or something needing immediate attention, but then I might get stuck with a male doctor LOL and honestly I much prefer to see women doctors ). It also gives access to walk in clinics, and hospital emergency etc, where wait times are so long you could die waiting for someone to see you Last year at this time I had a pre-shingles rash moving over my body and four different doctors failed to properly diagnose me, and even when the first shingle appeared and a good deal of my body around my right hip was numb from nerve damage, the doctor failed to diagnose it, and said one of the stupidest things ever to come out of a doctor's mouth. So we have subsidized care but you take your chances, which is why the two tiered system finally prevailed.
). It also gives access to walk in clinics, and hospital emergency etc, where wait times are so long you could die waiting for someone to see you Last year at this time I had a pre-shingles rash moving over my body and four different doctors failed to properly diagnose me, and even when the first shingle appeared and a good deal of my body around my right hip was numb from nerve damage, the doctor failed to diagnose it, and said one of the stupidest things ever to come out of a doctor's mouth. So we have subsidized care but you take your chances, which is why the two tiered system finally prevailed.
your picture post does surely show someone who is very much poor and suffering.. I feel for these people they never have enough food. they are how ever not a bunch of entitled cry babies they are legit suffering..... we have here in America a lot of entitled cry babies. If entitled cry babies here in America had live like that then maybe they would really know what struggling is... I am and have lived both ways dirt poor and on the system and middle class where i busted my butt to make ends meet.. So I can say that watching people who use the system are horrible and people who need the system for real are struggling to buy healthy food and pay the light bill etc...
But....socialized healthcare is amazing and we all need it..
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In your situation I'm totally ok with financial aid. I would never complain about HELPING people who've worked hard for years or those who are disabled and can't work. Really disabled...not just looking for an excuse. In reality the system was started to keep people off the streets and from starving to death....it does that. And clearly in some cases it's needed. But there are more examples than I can recount of people abusing it. Even if they aren't carrying designer purses and talking on the newest iPhone....
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In your situation I'm totally ok with financial aid. I would never complain about HELPING people who've worked hard for years or those who are disabled and can't work. Really disabled...not just looking for an excuse. In reality the system was started to keep people off the streets and from starving to death....it does that. And clearly in some cases it's needed. But there are more examples than I can recount of people abusing it. Even if they aren't carrying designer purses and talking on the newest iPhone....
Yes sister and I agree, though I try not to think of the things, for there are lot worse things in this world that are horrible beyond belief,
when it's all said and done and we are drawing our last breath on earth, what will be on people's minds I wonder,
for me my hopes is that it's not about these things we think are of injustice, but have I done what all God wanted me to do that was of justice to others.
when it's all said and done and we are drawing our last breath on earth, what will be on people's minds I wonder,
for me my hopes is that it's not about these things we think are of injustice, but have I done what all God wanted me to do that was of justice to others.
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No, sorry. But it seems you firmly believe the government should help "those that truly NEED It." Which annoys me because it shouldn't, but who would if they don't?
I firmly believe sensible people shouldn't be relying on the government to help "those that truly NEED It." Not enough sensible people, so I rely on the government instead.
And just like some abuse what is in place, some are kind enough to show me there are sensible people. Beyond sensible! Recently, PennEd and friends helped us greatly. We stopped looking like the embarrassing home on the block.
I still talk to God about our front windows, but the conversation has changed. It used to be "please don't let those windows fall out." Now it's, "thank you, thank you, thank you! We have windows that even open!"
How about we stop assuming it is sensible for the government to help?
Start there, and maybe they'll come a day when we won't load that onto "them."
I firmly believe sensible people shouldn't be relying on the government to help "those that truly NEED It." Not enough sensible people, so I rely on the government instead.
And just like some abuse what is in place, some are kind enough to show me there are sensible people. Beyond sensible! Recently, PennEd and friends helped us greatly. We stopped looking like the embarrassing home on the block.
I still talk to God about our front windows, but the conversation has changed. It used to be "please don't let those windows fall out." Now it's, "thank you, thank you, thank you! We have windows that even open!"
How about we stop assuming it is sensible for the government to help?
Start there, and maybe they'll come a day when we won't load that onto "them."
As Maganta mentioned the spiritual side of the parable and rightly so she did
modern day side of it was that some workers worked in the field for 8 hours and others worked the field for only a hour but all recieved the same pay, would that be similar to someone working there whole life paying taxes yet some only a few years paying taxes or how about never working and recieving help to live. Yea I know some abuse the system but atleast we have a system that helps, a lot of country's don't have that type of system.
modern day side of it was that some workers worked in the field for 8 hours and others worked the field for only a hour but all recieved the same pay, would that be similar to someone working there whole life paying taxes yet some only a few years paying taxes or how about never working and recieving help to live. Yea I know some abuse the system but atleast we have a system that helps, a lot of country's don't have that type of system.
As Maganta mentioned the spiritual side of the parable and rightly so she did
modern day side of it was that some workers worked in the field for 8 hours and others worked the field for only a hour but all recieved the same pay, would that be similar to someone working there whole life paying taxes yet some only a few years paying taxes or how about never working and recieving help to live. Yea I know some abuse the system but atleast we have a system that helps, a lot of country's don't have that type of system.
modern day side of it was that some workers worked in the field for 8 hours and others worked the field for only a hour but all recieved the same pay, would that be similar to someone working there whole life paying taxes yet some only a few years paying taxes or how about never working and recieving help to live. Yea I know some abuse the system but atleast we have a system that helps, a lot of country's don't have that type of system.
walking out of a convenient store or what ever, someone will asked me for money most of the time I give them money knowing fully what that person is going to use it for, though I still do it anyways because maybe that person will say to themselves one day I'm tired of alcohol or drugs and seek help for their addiction.
Instead of money you can give food... though they may tell you they are vegetarian and refuse the chicken panini sandwich offered, or say they are allergic to such and such... Some dispense with the pretense and simply say they want money for drugs haha. But there are those in dire need of housing and food, and there are resources for them as well, at least here, where we have plenty of soup kitchens operating and even delivery services for those who are housebound. In the winter when it gets too cold for the homeless to sleep in alley ways and door ways and covered spaces such as parking lots, community centers and churches open their doors, but last winter when we had an inordinate amount of snow over a longer than usual period of time, many problems were encountered with the paraphernalia left behind as litter in the spaces that were offered, plus, the people working in community centers are not trained in dealing with drug addicts and the mentally challenged , so that presented a whole new set of problems also...