Similarities in Islam & Christianity

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You are confusing the fictitious islamic 'Muhammad' with the Koranic Muhammad.

The term 'Muhammad' only occurs four times in the Arabic of the Koran, and, in each occurrence is in the context of the Biblical Jesus Christ.

The term 'Muhammad' was not even a personal name when the Koran was written...the name came later....it was a participle at the time, meaning 'Praised One'...same epithet as used in the Holy Bible to describe Jesus Christ.

Its a simple matter for any scholar...



Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. 35 It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is. (19:34-35, Yusif Ali)

The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! (9:30, Yusif Ali)
 
Since we are talking about Koranic Muhammad, I will skip the points talking about the physical Muhammad.
4) Their dealing with sexual sins:
In Surah 24:2 Mohammad says:
الزانية والزاني فاجلدوا كل واحد منهما مائة جلدة ولا تاخذكم بهما رافة في دين الله ان كنتم تؤمنون بالله واليوم الاخر وليشهد عذابهما طائفة من المؤمنين
DR. GHALI
The female fornicater and the male fornicator, (The Arabic Zaniyah and Zan refer to those who commit either fornication or adultery. By a comparison of this verse to other and to Hadiths., it is it is understood that this verse refers to fornicators, i.e., unmarried people committing illegal sexual intercourse) then lash each one of them a hundred lashes, and let not compassion for them (both) take (hold of) you in the religion of Allah, in case you believe in Allah and the Last Day; and let a section of the believers witness their (The torment of the two of them) torment.


MUHSIN KHAN
The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. (This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime but if married persons commit it, the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allah's Law).


PICKTHALL
The adulterer and the adulteress, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of believers witness their punishment.


SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse - lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah , if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.


SHAKIR
(As for) the fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them, (giving) a hundred stripes, and let not pity for them detain you in the matter of obedience to Allah, if you believe in Allah and the last day, and let a party of believers witness their chastisement.


YUSUF ALI
The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.


TRANSLITERATION
Azzaniyatu wazzaneefajlidoo kulla wahidin minhuma mi-atajaldatin wala ta/khuthkum bihima ra/fatunfee deeni Allahi in kuntum tu/minoona billahiwalyawmi al-akhiri walyashhad AAathabahumata-ifatun mina almu/mineen
“The fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. [This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime (illegal sex), but if married persons commit it (illegal sex), the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allah’s law.”
Muhammad as portrayed within the Koran and within the Hadiths paints a rather brutal scene, yet we see a vast difference with Jesus. Firstly, Jesus explains why there are vices such as adultery. In the Sermon on the Mount, regarding the sins of adultery and lust, he says:
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” (Matt. 5:27-28)
 
Same way I have the right to deny that there is any kind of research involved
 
Same way I have the right to deny that there is any kind of research involved


Like I said in a previous post, and that Blain reiterated in his, obviously she had to do some research to even find the website that she found the article on.. Hello!!! I do research on alot of stuff, but I don't post it all on here. Magenta probably does that, too. She's NOT required to post her research, she only needs cite the source she gets it from, and she usually always does.
 
Same way I have the right to deny that there is any kind of research involved
According to Merrriam/Webster as seen here: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/research[h=2]Full Definition of research[/h]
  • 1: careful or diligent search
  • 2: studious inquiry or examination; especially : investigation or experimentation aimed at the discovery and interpretation of facts, revision of accepted theories or laws in the light of new facts, or practical application of such new or revised theories or laws
  • 3: the collecting of information about a particular subject

    Copy and Paste is in and of itself not research, but a tool commonly used in research. Like it has been stated, she may have done her research and found that those that she copied and pasted from a source which has come to the same conclusion as she.

    Therefore, there is no need for you to be obsessively harsh towards her and trying to discredit her.

 
In your tiny pea brain, did you ever think Magenta HAS done research, and just not posted it on here? You keep asking her to prove she's done research, and she has every right to refuse that request. Her research is her own, not yours. Now stop blabbering on about copy paste not being research. WHO CARES?!! Honestly, no one gives a rat's butt whether Magenta did research or not. Your obsession with this has gone from ridiculous to psychotic..

Blue while i agree he seems to be very fixated on a small and pointless matter saying he has a pea brain is not what we as Christians are called to do
 
Why the hell would you keep telling us a lie. You are moving words here & there. They DO NOT believe Jesus as God.

The authors who penned the text obviously did...



This is the translation
They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One Allah. There is no Allah save Him. Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!

Not in the Arabic.
 
Which 'Muhammad' do you refer?

Seems you have been buying into the islamic lie for quite some time...
Well considering Muhammad is the most common name in the world I am sure you can assume I am talking about the one who claimed to be a prophet of God who claimed to have heard from God himself. Jesus never claimed to have heard from God he claimed he was God Muhammad never claimed to be God. Jesus offered his life on the cross and that is how he died this is not how Muhammad died and what's more Jesus rose from the dead Muhammad did not and more importantly the blood of Jesus saved me Muhammads did not
 
Blue while i agree he seems to be very fixated on a small and pointless matter saying he has a pea brain is not what we as Christians are called to do

That may be true, but he's obviously small-minded when it comes to research, or the possible lack thereof. So, I stand by my previous comment.
 
5) Their Violence:
Jesus sets a very high standard for his followers to emulate if they are to “take up his cross and follow” him (Matthew 16:24). When Jesus was interrogated by the authorities he says:
“My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.” (John 18:36)
Muhammad paints for us an altogether different picture as, which the Koran attests to, he committed assassinations, as well as threatened to murder over ten people. These threats stemmed from the fact these people offended him in some way, some, for example, wrote satirical poems about him. In Surah 33:60-61 Muhammad says:


لئن لم ينته المنافقون والذين في قلوبهم مرض والمرجفون في المدينة لنغرينك بهم ثم لا يجاورونك فيها الا قليلا
DR. GHALI
Indeed in case the hypocrites do not refrain, and the ones in whose hearts is sickness, and they that make commotion in the city, indeed We will definitely induce you against them; thereafter they will not be your neighbors there except for a little (while).


MUHSIN KHAN
If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease (evil desire for adultery, etc.), and those who spread false news among the people in AlMadinah, cease not, We shall certainly let you overpower them, then they will not be able to stay in it as your neighbours but a little while.


PICKTHALL
If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbours in it but a little while.


SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is disease and those who spread rumors in al-Madinah do not cease, We will surely incite you against them; then they will not remain your neighbors therein except for a little.


SHAKIR
If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease and the agitators in the city do not desist, We shall most certainly set you over them, then they shall not be your neighbors in it but for a little while;


YUSUF ALI
Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City, desist not, We shall certainly stir thee up against them: Then will they not be able to stay in it as thy neighbours for any length of time:


TRANSLITERATION
La-in lam yantahi almunafiqoona wallatheenafee quloobihim maradun walmurjifoona feealmadeenati lanughriyannaka bihim thumma la yujawiroonakafeeha illa qaleela


ملعونين اينما ثقفوا اخذوا وقتلوا تقتيلا
DR. GHALI
Cursed they will be, wherever they are caught; they will be taken and massacred with a (general) massacre.


MUHSIN KHAN
Accursed, wherever found, they shall be seized and killed with a (terrible) slaughter.


PICKTHALL
Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.


SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
Accursed wherever they are found, [being] seized and massacred completely.


SHAKIR
Cursed: wherever they are found they shall be seized and murdered, a (horrible) murdering.


YUSUF ALI
They shall have a curse on them: whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy).


TRANSLITERATION
MalAAooneena ayna ma thuqifoo okhithoowaquttiloo taqteela


“If the hypocrites, the sick of heart, and those who spread lies in the city [Medina] do not desist, We shall arouse you [Prophet] against them, and then they will only be your neighbors in this city for a short while. They will be rejected wherever they are found, and then seized and killed.”
 
Well considering Muhammad is the most common name in the world I am sure you can assume I am talking about the one who claimed to be a prophet of God who claimed to have heard from God himself.
Jesus never claimed to have heard from God he claimed he was God Muhammad never claimed to be God. Jesus offered his life on the cross and that is how he died this is not how Muhammad died and what's more Jesus rose from the dead Muhammad did not and more importantly the blood of Jesus saved me Muhammads did not

You are confusing the two, once again...
 
Which 'Muhammad' do you refer?

Seems you have been buying into the islamic lie for quite some time...

You clearly deny the Word of God, for the testimony of the Bible stands on it's own. It's not even comparable to any other false religion in the world!

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12

The Word gives testimony that God will not share His glory with another!

"I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another..." Isa 42:8a
 
The authors who penned the text obviously did...



Not in the Arabic.




So let me be clear on what you are saying. You're saying Islam is actually Christianity. You're saying the Quran says Jesus is the Son of God and he's not merely a prophet. And you are saying Muslims do not know what the Quran says. Do I have that right? And can you post links as to why you believe this to be true.
 
How can you ignore what the Quran says and what the Bible says and continue to say that Muhammad and Jesus Christ are the same? Clearly, they are not.
7) Their religious freedom:

Jesus says: “If anyone comes after [follows] me” . . . (Matthew 17:24). Jesus let people decide for themselves, if they refuse to follow him then so bet it. The word “if” implies freedom in choosing to either accept the way of Jesus or to reject it. Unlike Muhammad there was no army or power that tried to force people to believe.
Whereas Muhammad forcefully imposes his will, we read in Surah 9:5:
فاذا انسلخ الاشهر الحرم فاقتلوا المشركين حيث وجدتموهم وخذوهم واحصروهم واقعدوا لهم كل مرصد فان تابوا واقاموا الصلاة واتوا الزكاة فخلوا سبيلهم ان الله غفور رحيم
DR. GHALI
So, when the prohibiting months are drawn away, (Literally: stripped away) then kill the associators wherever you find them, and take them, and detain them, and sit (in wait) for them at every place of observation (i.e., ambush). But, in case they repent, and keep up the prayer, and bring the Zakat, (i.e., pay the obligatory poor-dues) then let them go their way; (Literally: pass on their way) surely Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Ever-Merciful..


MUHSIN KHAN
Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.


PICKTHALL
Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.


SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.


SHAKIR
So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.


YUSUF ALI
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.


TRANSLITERATION
Fa-itha insalakha al-ashhuru alhurumufaqtuloo almushrikeena haythu wajadtumoohum wakhuthoohumwahsuroohum waqAAudoo lahum kulla marsadinfa-in taboo waaqamoo assalatawaatawoo azzakata fakhalloo sabeelahum innaAllaha ghafoorun raheem
“Then, when the months made unlawful for fighting expire, kill the mushriks [polytheists] wherever you find them, and seize them, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, establish Salat [prayer five times a day] and pay the Zakat dues [charity tax], then let them go their way.” (Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 2, p. 175; insertions mine).
 
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