Similarities in Islam & Christianity
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kaylagrl
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Alex there is nothing in the rules that says you have to do seven hours of research before you post something. You don't know how long she researched and its none of your business anyway. I'm not defending a lie Im defending Magentas right to post as she likes the same as anyone else. Were you sitting beside her? Have a hidden camera in her house? Didn't think so. So leave her alone. If you don't like what she posts don't read it. I don't see you contributing anything stellar to the thread other than judging another poster. Its a discussion forum,she's free to share however she wants and whatever she wants.
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kaylagrl
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Of course its all about interpretation!!! You can make it say anything you want it to say. They can defend their violent verses,kill the Jew and the infidel. They can defend verses that say its ok to lie in allahs name. Of course its all about interpretation.
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Mitspa
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What's the point? Guy claims he is a Christian that believes a version of the koran that no muslim believes...wow that's just amazing!
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kaylagrl
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No the site wasn't Islamic. The Arabic that you translated does not come up when it is put in translation sites. Not and Islamic site, a translation site.
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the implication I see is that islamic sites don't properly translate the koran.
while that is possible, I consider it highly unlikely.
there are ambiguities in every language. imo, translation is more than finding a possible dictionary definition or grammer rule and using that.
my impression is that the vast majority of islamic scholars don't think the koran says Jesus is God. so I'm going with that until I come across more compelling evidence.
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the implication I see is that islamic sites don't properly translate the koran.
while that is possible, I consider it highly unlikely.
there are ambiguities in every language. imo, translation is more than finding a possible dictionary definition or grammer rule and using that.
my impression is that the vast majority of islamic scholars don't think the koran says Jesus is God. so I'm going with that until I come across more compelling evidence.
I think the parallel would be
rabbis are to the hebrew scriptures
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islamic scholars are to the koran.
imo, in both cases the scholars "in the group" and "outside the group" can have valuable insights.
it is good to collect data from many sources.
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kaylagrl
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Bowman gave a verse in Arabic and I put the text in an Arabic to English site,actually several,they all said the same thing which was nothing close to what Bowman had translated. So I was asking him why.
If Muslims believe Jesus was the Son of God the way Christians do they would be Christians,not Muslims. Muhammad is the main prophet of Islam not Christ.
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kaylagrl
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Quote "Why don't the Rabbis of today point to what Jesus says?"
The answer is in Romans,the Jews have been blinded until the gentiles have had the chance to accept Christ. Then their eyes will be opened and they will see that Jesus is the Messiah. This isn't true of the Muslims. Muslims believe in the false god allah.
right, and I believe we agree on this.
I'm going with what I believe the vast majority of islamic scholars would say about Jesus... which is what I think you're saying, too.
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kaylagrl
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Yes,exactly. Apparently Bowman is a self proclaimed scholar. Maybe he's starting his own religion.
ok here is your reliable source. straight from the horses mouth, whatever was or was not written. There doesn't have to be any more arguing over who's source is better. There shouldn't have been arguing over that in the first place. Also, It's stupid to be arguing over cut and pasting.
There are MANY credible sources on the subject of Islam. Personally, I like the book written by Glenn Beck: It is About Islam.
But, if you really want to get into an argument over how similar or dissimilar Islam and Christianity are read the Quran and the Bible side by side. And if, while reading the Quran, your faith is shaken, you need to spend time in your prayer closet.
Surah Al-Baqarah - The Noble Qur'an - القرآن الكريم
There are MANY credible sources on the subject of Islam. Personally, I like the book written by Glenn Beck: It is About Islam.
But, if you really want to get into an argument over how similar or dissimilar Islam and Christianity are read the Quran and the Bible side by side. And if, while reading the Quran, your faith is shaken, you need to spend time in your prayer closet.
Surah Al-Baqarah - The Noble Qur'an - القرآن الكريم
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roaringkitten
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"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6
That's not what allah the false god of the Koran says! The entire Bible rests on the premise of John 14:6!
Kayla, I did the same thing, with the same results. I believe that Bowman is having a problem understanding the words "they said". When I read what he posted in context, the Koran in now way says "Christ is God".
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Chuckt
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Muslims teach you can only get the correct understanding from the Koran from Arabic so essentially their argument is that I have to be one of them to find fault. They actually frown on translating the Koran into English and when I tell them "this is what your book says" and when I tell them to interpret it themselves, they get mad.
Remember the church pastor who wanted to burn the Koran? He started getting threats and I think police billed him $2 million for security. So I can almost guarantee you that anyone who translates the Koran differently is going to get a lot of friction if they live to tell about it.
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You used Google Translate?
Come on....you don't use a modern Arabic translator to render extinct Koranic Arabic.
That is ignorance at its very best!
Same goes for the Jews!
What happened?
Jews and Christians are reading the same exact OT material...and yet, getting two diametrically opposed worldviews as a result.
If this happens for the Jew, then it can occur for the Muslim, as well...
The Koranic Muhammad IS Jesus Christ!
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kaylagrl
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Um actually no dude and Billyd had the same result I did. Regardless of what your translation says you are the only one who seems to believe that Islam teaches that Jesus was the Son of God. Our God is not their allah. Our Jesus is not their "isa" I dont care what translation you use.
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kaylagrl
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No it is not the same for the Jews! I already posted on this. The Jews have been blinded for the sake of we gentiles. They have been blinded for a period of time but they will believe in their Messiah when the anti-christ betrays them. That is not the same as the Muslims at all.
NO!! Jesus is NOT muhammad! Muhammad was a pedophile and a terrorist that put to the sword all who refused to follow him. He didn't die for anyones sin,he wasnt nailed to a cross. No one with a brain would believe this nonsense you are getting on with.
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