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Similarities in Islam & Christianity
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Well you see magenta having posted info that is both useful and appropriate for this thread cpied and pasted it and therefor must be stoned because clearly copy and pasting is a sin:b
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jennymae
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I learned right away that you always cite your sources. Right away means
that I have been citing sources for the last eight years or so.
I started
doing apologetics late in 2007. Of course, I have only been here for about
nine months. Still, for a full nine months here, I have cited my sources.
that I have been citing sources for the last eight years or so.
I started doing apologetics late in 2007. Of course, I have only been here for about
nine months. Still, for a full nine months here, I have cited my sources.
But... my cat does not look like that
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alexmurphy
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Now this i could verify in their book. I can not surely accept anything said but i can just listen to their explanation and verify the truth muself
Magenta opened her series of posts with the citation "My next series of posts will all be from Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth"
As of this post, I have read nothing discrediting her source, nor what she posted. If you believe that something she posted is false, then please address that point, and let's debate it.
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[TD="class: quran-cell"]Quran (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.Quran (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves" against danger, meaning that there are times when a Muslim should appear friendly to non-Muslims, even though they should not feel that way..
Quran (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.
Quran (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who had to "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.
Quran (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.
Quran (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)
Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.
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Hadith and Sira in support of Muslims lying
Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).
Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.
Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permitted in order to deceive an "enemy."
Muslim (32:6303) - "...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."
Bukhari (50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered.[/TD]
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Taqiyya: Deception and Lying in Islam
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[TD="class: quran-cell"]Quran (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.Quran (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves" against danger, meaning that there are times when a Muslim should appear friendly to non-Muslims, even though they should not feel that way..
Quran (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.
Quran (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who had to "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.
Quran (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.
Quran (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)
Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.
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Hadith and Sira in support of Muslims lying
Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).
Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.
Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permitted in order to deceive an "enemy."
Muslim (32:6303) - "...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."
Bukhari (50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered.[/TD]
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Taqiyya: Deception and Lying in Islam
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alexmurphy
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There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted
under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx <<~~ there is a page on it
Again copied from an anti Islam site. When will you grow up
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alexmurphy
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So what if she copy pasted it from a website? OBVIOUSLY she had to do SOME research to even FIND the website.. Why are you still stuck on whether she did research or not? Let it go and move on.. Seriously. :/
Why don't YOU grow up and stop being a smart-aleck? Seriously your obsession with Magenta's research (or lack thereof) is bordering on ridiculous.. :/
Hi everyone
It's good to know we(Muslims & Christians) share a lot..
1. Belief in One God
2. Belief in Jesus as Messiah or Christ
3. Virgin birth of Jesus with no man's intervention.
4. Belief in Prophets of God.
5. Belief in Angels.
6. Belief in Heaven & Hell.
7. Belief in Afterlife.
8. Belief in Judgement day.
9. Belief in Second coming of Jesus.
10. Belief in Jesus killing the anti-Christ.
Cheers
I heard that many Muslims believe they will have to walk some kind of narrow plank or something like that over hell fire, and that they will all fall in. If that is the case, then a similarity is 'belief that Muhammadans will burn in Hell fire.'
Also, the hadith say or imply in two or three different places that Jesus will judge Muslims. Paul said that God had chosen a day in which He would judge all men by the one Man He had chosen.
The hadith and the Bible both confirm that Jesus was sinless.
If I remember correctly, after Muhammad was poisoned, he said that if he were a true prophet, it would not harm him. Much later, I've read that when he died, he attributed it to the poison he'd consumed way back when.
The Bible indicates that a false prophets words may not come to pass.
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Mitspa
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Mitspa
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Yea that's where you look to defeat the Islamic propaganda ... I'm about sick of hearing you folks promoting Islam here
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kaylagrl
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Awww blue eyes,what a beautiful cat!!
Can you refute the copy/paste post, or are you just talking for your own amusement?
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Chuckt
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Most people don't understand that most websites are copyrighted even if they don't say they are and you have to get permission to post someone else's work. I look for websites that I can copy and they usually have rules or I get permission from the source or I am careful to quote around 500 words or so under fair use.
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