SO MANY FALSE PASTORS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!

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Truth01

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I spoke to a Pentecostal pastor a few days ago. He said he was having challenges at church. He said he wanted to preach the true gospel but had no choice but to preach get rich sermons. He said his seniors informed him that according to their belief entering grace is by grace so if members are going to hell there is no point in them suffering here then in hell again afterwards. So they said he must focus his sermons on helping people get rich so that they can at least enjoy themselves before the judgement. He said if a pastor receives few offerings he is demoted and sent to work in obscure locations where his salary will be in the form of chickens and eggs at that church members give as offerings. He has children and cant afford to move them around and keep changing their schools so he just complies and preaches money sermons. He says if you tell people that someone here has money in their pocket an
 

Truth01

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He said that if you preach saying that someone here has money, and that God has shown him that if they dont leave some of the money as offering then they will forfeit the blessing he intends for them, then many people will flood to the front and leave a lot of offering. He additionally said that if he just preaches about the holy spirit and God then people wont leave much offerings then he will be demoted and sent to work in obscure locations. Its tragic.
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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He said that if you preach saying that someone here has money, and that God has shown him that if they dont leave some of the money as offering then they will forfeit the blessing he intends for them, then many people will flood to the front and leave a lot of offering. He additionally said that if he just preaches about the holy spirit and God then people wont leave much offerings then he will be demoted and sent to work in obscure locations. Its tragic.

He should leave that church. He can start a channel on YouTube and preach the true gospel on his videos. People can donate or give tithe to him (if God so leads) through that or Patreon. That's something he can do until he finds a church that will let him preach the true gospel. Or just stay with his YouTube channel.

He should also learn to trust that God will provide for him and his family. Him sticking to that awful church shows that doesn't trust Him.

 

DJT_47

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A pastor (poimen) means 'shepherd', which is synonymous with elder, bishop, overseer, and not the preacher or minister although a pastor could have a dual role as also being a preacher or minister.
 

mustaphadrink

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I suppose if you really want to know, you could write and ask him. Of course, he may not give the
exact figure, either. So you would really be taking a chance to put that kind of effort in, for him to
say, oh, it is around about fifteen million or so, give or take a few hundred thousand either way.
No, I didn't want to know. I wanted to know if the person making the accusation knew or it was a guesstimate.
 

mustaphadrink

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A pastor (poimen) means 'shepherd', which is synonymous with elder, bishop, overseer, and not the preacher or minister although a pastor could have a dual role as also being a preacher or minister.
A pastor (shepherd) was a ministry not a position and they had a different role to an Elder or Bishop which were the same person.

Not once was a leader of the church in the New Testament referred to as a Pastor. Every verse on the subject indicates Apostles, Prophets and Elders. Not once is a Pastor mentioned.
 

DJT_47

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A pastor (shepherd) was a ministry not a position and they had a different role to an Elder or Bishop which were the same person.

Not once was a leader of the church in the New Testament referred to as a Pastor. Every verse on the subject indicates Apostles, Prophets and Elders. Not once is a Pastor mentioned.
Ephesians 4:11 (KJV)
11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers
 

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A pastor (shepherd) was a ministry not a position and they had a different role to an Elder or Bishop which were the same person.

Not once was a leader of the church in the New Testament referred to as a Pastor. Every verse on the subject indicates Apostles, Prophets and Elders. Not once is a Pastor mentioned.
I remember hearing about this a long time ago (meaning elementary school back in the early 1980). I'm still in the process of reading the relevant passage, but I'm pretty sure that the spiritual gifts as such go to the churches per se. The churches are each all one body, but the spiritual gifts a divided amongst some people, that's part of the hierarchy. The "Mystery of the Church" means that no one knows, and no one can predict, who God will grant spiritual gifts to, one when He will do so, or where they will be. Part of "Church Discipline" is the maxim Bloom Where You're Planted", meaning to go to your local nearest parish church, and accept what God has prepared for you and your local peer group.

I'm sure that makes it really hard when people want exciting prophecy evangelists instead of pastoral communicants, or the meat of the word from an apostle instead of educational introductions from a teacher. There's always a long line at the prophecy counter, with seasonal lunch rushes. Of course, if you have a real fake, the whole body suffers, and no one is sure what to do about that.
 

mustaphadrink

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meaning to go to your local nearest parish church, and accept what God has prepared for you and your local peer group.
No point in going to a church that is run by man, not God.
 

mustaphadrink

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Ephesians 4:11 (KJV)
11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers
Forgive my humour but i can see you now standing in the pulpit and saying, Our reading today is from Ephesians 4 v 11. Now we will sing our closing hymn.
 

DJT_47

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I addressed your question, or rather the bible did, in which you stated the below which is not correct. Ephesians 4:11 uses the word 'pastor' and the definition of the word is self explanatory as relates to its meaning shepherd which is the same as elder or bishop, all of which can be considered leaders of the church.

"A pastor (shepherd) was a ministry not a position and they had a different role to an Elder or Bishop which were the same person.

Not once was a leader of the church in the New Testament referred to as a Pastor. Every verse on the subject indicates Apostles, Prophets and Elders. Not once is a Pastor mentioned."
 

Billyd

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First test of a prophecy. All prophecy today comes from scripture. If it doesn't have a scriptural address, it ain't prophecy.
 
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I agree with you wholeheartedly, the vast majority of “Christians” worldwide have no clue what synergism is (even though they themselves are synergistic).

The Lord himself warns you all, do not follow the majority down the broad road to hell. Repent and believe the gospel of God.

Matthew 7:13-23

[13] “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. [14] For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
[15] “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. [16] You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? [17] So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. [18] A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. [19] Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. [20] Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
[21] “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. [22] On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ [23] And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

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Synergism is at the root of all rotten fruit, always has been and always will be the seed of satan.

All synergistic 👇
(not exhaustive)

The Roman Catholic Church
Mormonism
Jehovah witnesses
Islam
Hinduism
Liberal Christianity…

Angley, Ernest [Word of Faith]
Armstrong, Karen [Progressive]
Arnott, John [leader Toronto “Blessing”, Latter Rain]
Bakker, Jamie [Emergent Church]
Bakker, Jay [Emergent Church, neo-liberal]
Bakker, Jim [Prosperity Theology]
Bell, Rob [Progressive Christian, Emergent Church]
Borg, Marcus J. [Liberal Christian]
Burke, Spencer [Emergent Church]
Boyd, Gregory A. [Open Theist]
Camping, Harold [false prophet]
Campolo, Tony [Progressive Christian]
Chalke, Steve [rejects penal substitution and biblical Inerrancy; supports same sex unions]
Cho, Paul or David Yonggi [Word of Faith, pastor of largest church in the world]
Claiborne, Shane [Progressive Christian]
Clement, Kim [New Apostolic Reformation]
Copeland, Kenneth and Gloria [Word of Faith]
John Dominic Crossan [Liberal Theology]
Crouch, Paul Jr. [promotes Prosperity heresies via TBN]
Crouch, Paul Sr. [Properity Teacher, TBN founder]
Crowder, John [New Mystics, Sons of Thunder]
Deere, Jack [Latter Rain, Wimberite]
Dollar, Creflo [Prosperity Teacher]
Dowd, Michael [Progressive Christian]
Eddy, Mary Baker [“Christian” Science; mind sciences]
Evans, Rachel Held [Progressive "Christian", Political Idolatry]
Flowers, Leighton [Provisionalism, Serious departure from historic Christianity on many issues]
Furtick, Steven [ narcissistic "gospel" devoid of much Biblical truth]
Hagee, John [False Prophet, Uber-Pentecostal, Ultra-Dispensationalist]
Hagin, Kenneth Jr./Sr. [Prosperity]
Hatmaker, Jen [works righteousness, progressive, affirms same-sex marriage]
Hick, John [Progressive Christian]
Hinn, Benny [Prosperity Teacher, Uber Charismatic]
Hollis, Rachel [self-help, self-care, self-love. prosperity]
Hybels, Bill [Seeker Sensitive]
Jacobs, Cindy [Prosperity]
Jakes, TD [Oneness Pentecostalism]
John Pavlovitz [Progressive activist; withholds gospel from persons identifying as LGBTQ]
Johnson, Bill [New Apostolic Reformation, Kenosis, Word of Faith] - more..
Kimball, Dan [Emergent Church]
Lane Craig, William [Trinitarian Errors, Partialism, Neo-Apollinarianism, Histoical Adam, Molinism]
Long, Bishop Eddie [Prosperity Uber Charismatic]
McClure, Joel [Emergent Church]
Mclaren, Brian [Emergent Church]
McManus, Erwin [Mystic Contemplative Prayer Movement]
Merritt, Jonathan [Pelagian, Progressive Christian]
Merton, Thomas [Trappist monk and Catholic mystic]
Micah, Jory [denies inerrancy, Feminist, Christological heresy, ambiguous about ascended Jesus having physical body, Jesus is genderless]
Miller, Donald [Progressive Christian]
Meyer, Joyce [Prosperity Preacher]
Nouwen, Henry [Contemplative Mysticism, Emerging Church]
Osteen, Joel [cotton candy theology, bible compromiser, name it & claim it, soft moralism]
Pagitt, Doug [Emergent Church]
Peale, Norman Vincent [positive confession liberal]
Pearson, Carlton [Universalism]
Popes, all [idolaters, antichrists]
Price, Fred KC [Prosperity Preacher, Name it & claim it]
Prince, Joseph [Prosperity, Antinomianism]
Roberts, Oral [deceased, false prophet]
Robertson, Pat [divination, false prophet, TBN]
Rohr, Richard [Progressive Christian]
Roth, Sid [mystic, NAR]
Russell, Charles Taze [founder Jehovah’s Witnesses]
Rutherford, Judge [past president of Jehovah’s Witnesses]
Scandrette, Mark [Emergent Church]
Schuler, Robert [Peale clone, liberal theology]
Spong, John Shelby (1931–)
Stanley, Andy [Marcionite, carnal Christianity]
Sweet, Leonard [Emergent Church]
Tenney, Tommy [Oneness Pentecostalism, Charismatic]
Vines, Matthew [Liberal]
Wallis, Jim [Progressive Christian, Left-Wing Political idolatry]
Warren, Rick [Emergent Purpose Driven]
Webber, Nadia Bolz [Progressive Christianity]
White, Ellen G. [founder False Prophet Seventh Day Advents]
White, Paula [prosperity theology, NAR]
White, Todd [Read himself into bible, False prophet, Falsehealing, prosperity Gospel]
White, Tom [Latter Rain; spiritual war network]
Wimber, John [deceased, Kansas City Prophets/Latter Rain]
Womack, Andrew [Prosperity]
Wright, Jeremiah [Liberation Theology, Bible denier]
Young, William Paul [Progressive Christian]


https://www.monergism.com/modern-day-false-teachers
I am pretty much with you on the list of those I know. Let the take and the wheat grow together until the harvest when the Angel with the sickle separates them. (not quote, with verse in mind,)
 

NOV25

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I am pretty much with you on the list of those I know. Let the take and the wheat grow together until the harvest when the Angel with the sickle separates them. (not quote, with verse in mind,)
The churches and people in the aforementioned list should be addressed in a 2 Corinthians 10 manner rather than Matthew 13 (tares and wheat parable) way.

We are commanded to tear down strongholds, utterly destroy false logismos: reasonings, ideas… that are against the truth of God, not tolerate them until the harvest.
 

NOV25

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So just to remind you all.

Islam
Hinduism
Buddhism
Luciferianism
Mormonism
JW’s
Etc.

All satan’s religions are “synergistic”.
 

mustaphadrink

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I addressed your question, or rather the bible did, in which you stated the below which is not correct. Ephesians 4:11 uses the word 'pastor' and the definition of the word is self explanatory as relates to its meaning shepherd which is the same as elder or bishop, all of which can be considered leaders of the church.

"A pastor (shepherd) was a ministry not a position and they had a different role to an Elder or Bishop which were the same person.

Not once was a leader of the church in the New Testament referred to as a Pastor. Every verse on the subject indicates Apostles, Prophets and Elders. Not once is a Pastor mentioned."
Why are you just repeating what I said?