Take The Ten Commandments

[Grace777x70]

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who would have ever in their life think that reading, obeying, and hearing the Word of God
would create evil???

The apostle Paul did...but not all the word of God...just the law part...there is a difference..Just the law...it had a specific purpose and one was to inflame sin and also to increase it so that we would come to Christ. I know it conflicts with our religious upbringing but Paul is not lying. The law is good and holy but it was not made for a righteous man but for the unrighteous.

Read post #3 as it has all the scripture references that Paul used for the purpose of the law.

The law of love in Christ in us fulfills that function now of the law of the Old Covenant.

 

[Depleted]

Speaking without words...new age mysticism.

Way back in December, I was still worried if John would live. It took them a couple of weeks just to access the damage done, because John was too weak to be jolted around to get something as simple as a CT Scan. When he was able to get it, the damage was extensive. He, literally, blew out his microvalve so hard it ripped the tissues around it that holds it to his heart. And even after that, two more weeks until the surgery to replace that valve.

I was doing what I do so well -- worry. And I asked God if John was coming back as I walked from my car in the bottom of a parking garage to go up an elevator into the lobby of one hospital, to go outside, cross the street and then go into the hospital John was in.

When I got in the elevator, I heard the most beautiful song -- the Hallelujah Choir by Mendel. When the elevator stopped at the lobby, there was the choir belting out the climax.

I burst out laughing and crying, (which is very hard on the throat and jaws. lol) So what was that? New Age Mysticism or God speaking to me without words?

God usually doesn't answer me with words, but, boy, I know it when I don't hear him when he does answer.

 

[Depleted]

I see someone is asking about righteous indignation.

I must remind all of the Scripture, "Be angry, but do not sin." This is a reference to righteous indignation. I have yet to condemn anyone in my mind , heart or soul, but I am not an idiot either. I believe Jesus Christ, and I see how His wteachings have been very much changed by denominational foundations in place of His Word..........

I am sorry some have never heard of this scripture, but righteous indignation is fitting for any who believe when they observe apostasy in progress. God bless that all know this, amen.

Whoa! So it's not patience? Good. Then I might have the indignation correctly when I get it sometimes. (Patience? Every time I think I have it, God ups the stakes to prove I don't.)

 

[Depleted]

Why did the JESUS give us only two commandments In the new testament.All the law and the prophets are summed up In one word "love".

Under grace,we establish the law.

Some say,that they are trying to keep the "10"commandments but then they say I am also under grace.

I don't think there Is any other way to see your post above except to see it as focusing on the believer understanding GOD's wisdom by the the "ten" commandments and under the "ten" the person would have to leave grace and embrace the law Instead of giving GOD the credit.

Only JESUS could keep the "10"commandments.

How do you know what grace looks like without looking at the law? You're right, the law comes down to love, but, in your wildest dreams would you ever think coveting your neighbor's patio deck is not love? Would you ever think making your own patio deck on the Sabbath is not love? Would you ever think, "No, honey. That dress doesn't make your butt look big," (when it does), is not love? It's that simple. I have no idea what love looks like without knowing the ten commandment. I have no idea what grace looks like without God loving me, absolutely knowing I've broken all ten!

 

[Depleted]

He didnt give 2 commandments to follow, He said those two were the most important and that all the laws, every last one of them, hinge on those two.

Ummm, that's what Seed was saying.

 

[Depleted]

Can we establish the law under the law or under grace?

Under God. Through him in us!

 

[Mitspa]

This is so simple it takes mans religion to mess it up... The Spirit of God (is the true law of God) sheds Gods love abroad in our hearts (supernatural pure love) and we take that love and love others ... Every law of God is fulfilled in this love .... Its not mans love..its Gods love He first gives to us. "we love Him because He first loved us" we cant even keep the first commandment without the Holy Spirit first empowering us with God love. The letter kills (because it demands) The Spirit gives life (because it empowers)

NO WAY can anyone understand NT doctrine, unless they have been filled with the Holy Spirit ...its a waste of time to try to teach someone the NT, if they don't really have the Holy Spirit.

 

[Depleted]

It's really a shame that Christians still do not understand the power of the cross and are willing to live under the bondage of the law. It grieves my heart.

It's really a shame how quickly people jump on the bandwagon even before listening. Simply listening. Sound bites beget sound bites.

(Can anyone even work up a good grieve without listening to what's happening?)

 

[Depleted]

These below are the new commandments for us to follow now in the New Covenant. The cross changed everything and all the law and prophets and psalms all pointed to Jesus as the fulfillment of all things.

We don't go backwards to the law. We go forward in Christ and all that he has done because He has fulfilled all the law. We walk in Him now.

It is so important to be established in His love for us because from knowing His love - we can then love from His life in us now and fulfill His commandment.

John 13:34 (NASB)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

This is what our Father commands us to do now in the New Covenant sealed in Christ's blood.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

T'is better to prove your point then to listen to anyone else, right? Even if your point is unrelated to the conversation, the important thing is you prove your point.

 

[Depleted]

My brother, then you are blind and are a blind guide. The law only exposes sin and has no remedy for it. The only remedy for sin is the Jesus Christ and Him crucified. If by faith I accept the work of the cross then I am no longer under law, If I try to obtain to the law then it is my righteousness, which is a filthy rag. Yet, If I accept the work of the cross, The Holy Spirit is given legal right to produce in me fruit worthy of the Kingdom. It is not by might nor by power but by My Spirit saith the Lord. No work of the flesh is accepted only by faith in what Jesus did at the cross can one be justified and called a Saint.

If your lie were true, he isn't your brother. Since you aren't listening, you're in no position to tell if he is or isn't a guide. Seems to me the one blind here, is you. Someone once told you Jaume is a legalist, (just like the whole bandwagon thinks), so you don't bother listening to what he says before judging him. You thing for sure, you lost creds on trustworthiness for not listening.

 

[Depleted]

This is so simple it takes mans religion to mess it up... The Spirit of God (is the true law of God) sheds Gods love abroad in our hearts (supernatural pure love) and we take that love and love others ... Every law of God is fulfilled in this love .... Its not mans love..its Gods love He first gives to us. "we love Him because He first loved us" we cant even keep the first commandment without the Holy Spirit first empowering us with God love. The letter kills (because it demands) The Spirit gives life (because it empowers)

NO WAY can anyone understand NT doctrine, unless they have been filled with the Holy Spirit ...its a waste of time to try to teach someone the NT, if they don't really have the Holy Spirit.

Because, yo! We got to do it, because God doesn't?

 

[phil112]

.................................our country's prisons are chocked-full of convicts who claim to be 'christain' -...............................

I guess we'll have to build more prisons to keep those felons in jail that don't claim to be christian.
Can you not make your point without saying such ridiculously outrageous things? What you said is even beyond ludicrous.

 

[jaybird88]

Hopefully you agree with what I meant,nevertheless thanks for the correction.

i agree that love, the love that Jesus was teaching, is essential to understanding what it all means.

 

[Mitspa]

Because, yo! We got to do it, because God doesn't?

What does that even mean? as Paul said we have no ability of ourselves "we can do nothing" ..our ability is based on the Spirit of God "we can do all things"

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Can we establish the law under the law or under grace?

Paul teaches us that faith establishes the law. What is established is.

How does faith establishe the law? What did Jesus teach us?

He told the Pharisees that they neglect the most important pints of teh law, mercy, justice and faith.

Now we know by Christ's example how He showed mercy to all. A good example is the woman caught in the act of adultery with enough witnesses to convict her to be stoned to death..........Jesus argued her case with His famous, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Now the law says she should die, but here is mercy being demonstrated.

Justice is self explanatory, but what about faith? We have faith in Jesus Christ, and if so, and we have learned from Him we know how to understand the law, and how and which truly apply.

The Son of Man came to forgive, not to condemn. He also desires mercy and not sacrifice.

Jesus was not secretive about the law, no, He was quite direct, though so many today have doctrimes of men to cov er up what He teaches.

The law is established by faith in Jesus Christ's Word and all His teachings, but if they are not recognized, then the law is unattainable to understand by the majority. This is to be expected considering all the prophesies concerning the latter days.........

God bless all who live in grace not discounting the law according to Christ's teachings.

I'm not disagreeing with your post but my question was not answered but It sounds like you are In agreement with me.

 

[garee]

It is not under grace we estabish the law. If you go back to Romans it says faith establishes the law. Faith is a gift from God, and it leads to grace by which we are saved by the Blood of Yeshua.

I would phrase that a little differently.

I believe we would have to first apply the law below to help us interpret correctly before we can try and reconcile grace and faith.

James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

I would think it is under grace according to Christ‘s work of faith, and not a work of our own selves, none less a work of Christ, a work is a must or faith falters being dead in its self .As James says ,just as a literal body of flesh and blood without a spirit as the essence of life is dead and cannot work, so is faith without a work needed to provide grace. No work of faith no grace.


The other alternative is faith (believing) without working. Christ‘s labor of love earned the grace he freely gives us as he gave his Spirit life in our stead in jeopardy of his own. .

 

[crossnote]

My observation. (not intended to be mean...just an observation.)

Jaume had a little Lawm, little Lawm, little Lawm,
Jaume had a little Laum .
And everywhere that Jaume went that Lawm was sure to go.

(IOW whenever Jaume starts a thread you can be sure the Law will follow.)

 

[JaumeJ]

My understanding is from the teaching of Jesus Christ , and all of His prophets and Apostles. I do not see with the eyes, rather with the Holy Spirit. Do not leave Him out of your understanding.

You say you see? Yet you believe, calling me brother, that I am blind, not only blind, but a blind guide? I am shring what has been given me.

Hear and do the words taught by the Master. I have not been "under the law" since the Holy Spirit first entered into me decades ago.

Paul teaches us that faith establishes the law. What is established is.

How does faith establishe the law? What did Jesus teach us?

He told the Pharisees that they neglect the most important pints of teh law, mercy, justice and faith.

Now we know by Christ's example how He showed mercy to all. A good example is the woman caught in the act of adultery with enough witnesses to convict her to be stoned to death..........Jesus argued her case with His famous, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Now the law says she should die, but here is mercy being demonstrated.

Justice is self explanatory, but what about faith? We have faith in Jesus Christ, and if so, and we have learned from Him we know how to understand the law, and how and which truly apply.

The Son of Man came to forgive, not to condemn. He also desires mercy and not sacrifice.

Jesus was not secretive about the law, no, He was quite direct, though so many today have doctrimes of men to cov er up what He teaches.

The law is established by faith in Jesus Christ's Word and all His teachings, but if they are not recognized, then the law is unattainable to understand by the majority. This is to be expected considering all the prophesies concerning the latter days.........

God bless all who live in grace not discounting the law according to Christ's teachings.

My brother, then you are blind and are a blind guide. The law only exposes sin and has no remedy for it. The only remedy for sin is the Jesus Christ and Him crucified. If by faith I accept the work of the cross then I am no longer under law, If I try to obtain to the law then it is my righteousness, which is a filthy rag. Yet, If I accept the work of the cross, The Holy Spirit is given legal right to produce in me fruit worthy of the Kingdom. It is not by might nor by power but by My Spirit saith the Lord. No work of the flesh is accepted only by faith in what Jesus did at the cross can one be justified and called a Saint.

 

[JaumeJ]

Perhaps this also applies to Jesus Christ in your esteem, since He teaches the gospel to Jew and Gentile alike, and in His teaching he is adamant that any teaching against the least of thes laws will be least in the Kingdom.

Now He is not referring to the 611 laws that those who are blind believe is teh law. He teaches just what it has become and how it is to be practiced while living in the freedom of being in His grace by the gift of faith given us by the Fathe, Who drew us to Jesus Christ in the first place.

Sing your song to Him with all the above in mind.

God bless your understanding in the Light that is Jesus Christ,, amen

My observation. (not intended to be mean...just an observation.)

Jaume had a little Lawm, little Lawm, little Lawm,
Jaume had a little Laum .
And everywhere that Jaume went that Lawm was sure to go.

(IOW whenever Jaume starts a thread you can be sure the Law will follow.)

 

[Zmouth]

..our ability is based on the Spirit of God "we can do all things"

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:24

Since John 4:24 says God is a Spirit, I have always been interested in hearing why people who believe God is a Spirit use the reference Spirit of God since it saying God of God or Spirit of Spirit.

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But back to topic of the Ten Commandments, to those who hold that the laws in Exodus 20 or Deuteronomy 5 contain the true 10 Commandments in which there is no variableness nor shades of turning, what criteria do you use to choose which ten of all the laws listed whichever chapter you use to create your 10 Commandments?

In Matthew 5:17 it is written, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." Are there any of you who consider that by the term 'fulfil' that Jesus was implying that once somebody fulfills the Ten Commandments that they somehow auto-magically disappear and thus we are no longer subject to do that which we know to be good and right in the sight of the LORD?

, "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matt 5:18

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Matt 5:48