The Biblical Truth About Hell & How Yeshua (Joshua) Became Jesus (Learn the Hebrew origin of our Lord's teaching & our "Christianity" )

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They were first called Christians in Antioch. That was an insult in those days. We were first called, the people of the way. Or, the people of the Book.
Jesus first Disciples were Jews who accepted him as the prophesied Messiah. Christianity, as most of us know, has Jewish roots. Our Savior was a Jew. :)

Learn the scriptures by learning what foundation they were built upon. Very short engaging videos. I look forward to your thoughts.
 
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Whatever you call the place of Gods Judgement it amounts to being warned to avoid it at all costs. That's all that needed to be said.

As for the name of Jesus the only thing I agreed with was that God is not petty minded regarding what name we use as long as
we are talking about the same person.

If you are Jewish Yeshua is fine. If you are a Pseudo Hebrew its not as far as I'm concerned. How far do we have to go with this?
Why not go the whole way and take up speaking fluent Hebrew. In London I would get some strange looks if I did outside of places like
Golders Green or Hendon
 
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OstrichSmiling said:
Christianity, as most of us know, has Jewish roots. Our Savior was a Jew.
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Christians are well aware of this, but the Hebrew Roots movement has gone too far with this notion. While Jesus of Nazareth was indeed a Jew, His Church has neither Jew nor Gentile within it. He died to destroy all artificial barriers -- the "middle wall of partition".
 
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Whatever you call the place of Gods Judgement it amounts to being warned to avoid it at all costs. That's all that needed to be said.

As for the name of Jesus the only thing I agreed with was that God is not petty minded regarding what name we use as long as
we are talking about the same person.

If you are Jewish Yeshua is fine. If you are a Pseudo Hebrew its not as far as I'm concerned. How far do we have to go with this?
Why not go the whole way and take up speaking fluent Hebrew. In London I would get some strange looks if I did outside of places like
Golders Green or Hendon
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Unfortunately, London isn't sounding like a safe place to be a non-Muslim at all these days. I don't envy sisters and brothers who have to endure there.

Thank you for your reply. Blessings.
 
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Christians are well aware of this, but the Hebrew Roots movement has gone too far with this notion. While Jesus of Nazareth was indeed a Jew, His Church has neither Jew nor Gentile within it. He died to destroy all artificial barriers -- the "middle wall of partition".
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Yes, we are all one in Christ.
Encountering that which says any references to Yeshua or Torah should cause a Christian to run doesn't appear to be a teaching that knows this. Hating the origin of our faith being Jesus was born into a Jewish family and sought to fulfill Hebrew Torah Messiah prophecy, makes little sense.
I think we have to realize Jesus teachings and his parables, are reflected within the old testament. I think we err if we extricate ourselves from the groundwork that made our faith today.

Hebrew Roots movement is a different kettle of fish.

Thank you for your reply. Blessings.
 
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Christianity, as most of us know, has Jewish roots. Our Savior was a Jew. :)
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Yes that's correct, one part of the church rejected Jesus and the New Testament and it branched off to what we know it today as Judiasm. The Torah is just the Old Testament.
 
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Yes that's correct, one part of the church rejected Jesus and the New Testament and it branched off to what we know it today as Judiasm. The Torah is just the Old Testament.
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Yes. And it is contained in every Christian's Bible today. We can't understand the new without the foundation described in the old.
 
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They were first called Christians in Antioch. That was an insult in those days. We were first called, the people of the way. Or, the people of the Book.
Jesus first Disciples were Jews who accepted him as the prophesied Messiah. Christianity, as most of us know, has Jewish roots. Our Savior was a Jew. :)

Learn the scriptures by learning what foundation they were built upon. Very short engaging videos. I look forward to your thoughts.
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Not a fan of "unlearn" had a unproductive covo with mr. lex. also he is very subtle in his lessons . he will not produce his back ground other than what seems to be SDA. to each his own .
 
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I know Lex Meyer from Teshuva Ministries. (linked) Teshuva meaning, "return".
I found his First Century Church presentation years ago interesting.


He's the pastor of the Grafted church in Oklahoma. (link)
Who Is The Grafted Church?
We are a community of believers who follow Yeshua (Jesus) and love God with all of our heart, soul, mind, and strength. We are passionate about the Word of God, and we do our best to live according to God's instructions.
I don't know that I'd say there's an SDA vibe about him.
 
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Unfortunately, London isn't sounding like a safe place to be a non-Muslim at all these days. I don't envy sisters and brothers who have to endure there.

Thank you for your reply. Blessings.
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Strange as it may seem there are literally millions of none Muslims in London. The way the US media reports it one would think
we are all barracked up in shelters as hoards of terrorists roam the streets as they do in Syria. Yes we have had some terrorist incidents
as there have been in other European countries. but not as many compared to the situation we had in the 70's and 80.s when IRA terrorism was rife. So far no one has attempted to blow up our government at a seaside conference yet.
 
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Strange as it may seem there are literally millions of none Muslims in London. The way the US media reports it one would think
we are all barracked up in shelters as hoards of terrorists roam the streets as they do in Syria. Yes we have had some terrorist incidents
as there have been in other European countries. but not as many compared to the situation we had in the 70's and 80.s when IRA terrorism was rife. So far no one has attempted to blow up our government at a seaside conference yet.
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Never let it be said American media sources avoid compounding drama in international reporting.
Thank you for the insight. :)
 
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Yes. And it is contained in every Christian's Bible today. We can't understand the new without the foundation described in the old.
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That is correct....christianity is in confusion because they have 'cut themselves off from the Roots/Foundation Rom 11(v18). (not meaning Hebrew roots)
How long does a 'cut flower last ? not eternally ! they have fashioned themselves a new christ coming from Rome who is NOT the same yesterday, today and forever from Nazareth....speaking only His Words but NOT DOING what He says Lk 6v46. Yashua warned against being deceived !
 
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That is correct....christianity is in confusion because they have 'cut themselves off from the Roots/Foundation Rom 11(v18). (not meaning Hebrew roots)
How long does a 'cut flower last ? not eternally ! they have fashioned themselves a new christ coming from Rome who is NOT the same yesterday, today and forever from Nazareth....speaking only His Words but NOT DOING what He says Lk 6v46. Yashua warned against being deceived !
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Well said.
The worst of them though have fashioned themselves a new Christ that in the flesh while on Earth was not a Jew. And when that new fashioned Christ walked from the tomb he walked into a world where Christianity was the way and those called Christians were the new creation. (Replacement Theology).
 
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Well said.
The worst of them though have fashioned themselves a new Christ that in the flesh while on Earth was not a Jew. And when that new fashioned Christ walked from the tomb he walked into a world where Christianity was the way and those called Christians were the new creation. (Replacement Theology).
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Of course the christian jesus is not a Jew nor is he the Lord of the Sabbath....obviously....theirs is lord of sunday. from Rome.
Christians have no concept of Yashua who is the same yesterday, today and forever !
 
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Of course the christian jesus is not a Jew nor is he the Lord of the Sabbath....obviously....theirs is lord of sunday. from Rome.
Christians have no concept of Yashua who is the same yesterday, today and forever !
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He is Lord of the Sabbath because he is God who created the Sabbath for man.
Sunday was the day of worship dedicated to the Roman's sun God. Not the Sabbath day early Christians recognized prior to that change.

Jesus is the Greek translation of Joshua, Yeshua, which are Hebrew names. Christ was to be called Immanuel, meaning God with us, when the angel spoke to Mary and told her the purpose God had designed for her life. To beget the son of man and the sacred, the son of God, so as to bring to fruition the old testament prophecy of Messiah that would save the world.
And she did.

Now the faith needs saving from the machinations of egocentric man who has in many places crafted the good news into their image and likeness. Denominationalism has fractured the church. God's truth will forever hold fast however.
 
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Christians have no concept of Yashua who is the same yesterday, today and forever !
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Yeah. Only Sabbatarians and Hebrew Roots enthusiasts understand Christ! Beta, you need to go back to Alpha and start understanding the Bible properly. Yeshua is now the Lord Jesus Christ. Do you understand what that means?
 
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Of course the christian jesus is not a Jew nor is he the Lord of the Sabbath....obviously....theirs is lord of sunday. from Rome.
Christians have no concept of Yashua who is the same yesterday, today and forever !
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so what do you call yourself as a beliver in Christ?

you paint with a very broad brush when you state that Christians have no concept of Jesus

there are many Gentile organizations who fully support Israel and may very well have a better concept of all Jesus has done then someone who just dismisses Christians as ignorant and rooted in Rome

you may see things differently, but your dismissive and obviously self-congratulatory post does not make much of an arguement for your case
 
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That is correct....christianity is in confusion because they have 'cut themselves off from the Roots/Foundation Rom 11(v18). (not meaning Hebrew roots)
How long does a 'cut flower last ? not eternally ! they have fashioned themselves a new christ coming from Rome who is NOT the same yesterday, today and forever from Nazareth....speaking only His Words but NOT DOING what He says Lk 6v46. Yashua warned against being deceived !
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and ditto what I said about your other post

worshipping done on a certain does not make a true believer

that is a fabrication

obeying Christ would include righteous judgment and not the kind you seem to be applying
 
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perhaps we should all stop reading our English translations of the Bible?

I wonder how much of the then known world would have received Paul speaking Hebrew with regards to the Gospel instead of a common tongue?

since God appointed him Apostle to the Gentiles, perhaps his fluency in Greek was appropriate?

the logical conclusion of thinking that we should say Yeshua rather than Jesus, would mean that ALL names in the NT are w r o n g

I mean why stop with Jesus?

quite a while back, a poster went to town with this kind of thinking. this is not something most Christians who actually study scripture and are aware of groups who insist we say Yashua, are ignorant of

it is without merit and is basically, IMO, one of those things we are told not to argue about.

this goes beyond accepting Christ and goes beyond being filled with the Spirit of God and beyond legitimate salvation

it does nothing but confuse those who are young in their belief and irritates those who KNOW they are saved and have a good foundation in the OT and the new
 
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