How about a straight answer Gramps, did Paul keep the Sabbath and the Feast Days? It is really easy, yes or no?
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How about a straight answer Gramps, did Paul keep the Sabbath and the Feast Days? It is really easy, yes or no?
Tell me about breaking the Law, does that get you into the Kingdom?
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
So, if these are worthy of death, then I would assume you don't do these. Do you obey the third Commandment? Or do you use God's holy name in a vile and filthy fashion?
It all boils down to that fourth one doesn't it?
For the most part, I agree with you. We are all new creations because of the salvation Jesus' death and resurrection offer. But that salvation doesn't mean we just sit on our keisters and do nothing, all the while saying "I love God, I love my neighbor." You actually do things to show it. That's where obedience to God's commands comes into play. And the obedience to God's commands doesn't negate salvation by grace unless you intend it to do so.
Yes you are right in that it is abused, taking God's forgiveness for granted ass an occasion for flesh to get away with misconduct in not loving as God has and does through Son.
So personally , do I need to take care of my own board in my own eye before I can see to help my neighbor? And is noit God alone that can and does do this? By Faith one is saved in the finished work of Son Christ, the as we continue in this Faith we grow from Father who took us from belief and gave us to participate in his Love to all
Hebrews 2:3 how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
This is about Love, God's love not man's love, The letter of the Law (flesh) verses the Spirit of liberty God whom is the only one righteous
Rather, shall we continue in self works or God's leading works of love to all? Is not love to all the fulfillment of all Commandments?
Sister plain and simple GODJUSTLOVEYOU, he is yelling not in anger, just desires for us to get this straight:
While and even before you and I were born, being selfish in and of our own flesh and the flesh of others Christ simply went to the cross for us never denied Father, and went through a terrible death for us to appreciate in thanksgiving and praises to Father for this miraculous work Father did for us through Son that n o other flesh could ever accomplish and still can't to this very day.
It is not replacement theology, it is the exchanged life, my life for his life and this exchanged life is available to all from Father through Son only. The way the truth and the new life in the Spirit of truth
The new earth not this earth? right now we are as beleivers citizens in and of Heaven in the Spirit not the flesh, thank you for your answer
Did you really just make a mockery of Paul who was Saul and was missing for a period of about 14 years after the road to Damascus. Was he not being taught truth over error that whole time. Did he not kill believers in the Christ the Messiah as Saul, being led by the Law? good read Phil.3:1-11, verses 10 and 11 especially important, as what god has shown me anyway, along with verse 3
Did he not need to be transformed? to the truth that is found in Christ and through Christ alone?
Anyway, no matter the fight is still the same Flesh self fights against the Spirit of God the Father, and does not want to be even reckoned as dead. Yet we are called to be dead in flesh and alive in God, through Chirst's work in the flesh for us
Paul kept the Faith in of God through the Son's finished work. Whether he did or not, he did going to the first chosen at first and meeting with them on Sabbath. And left from that to go to the Gentiles for they did not hear him, being stuck under the curse of their own flesh trying to obey a perfect law that no flesh can obey.
And God so for those that could not attain perfection from the Law, went to those that got it freely, without the works of the Law, to do what.
Does God have respect of persons?
And yet Paul says this...
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Jesus taught this...
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Invisible and all you can see is the result.
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We probably all heard and agreed with Jeremiah 17:5-8
Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who draws strength from mere flesh and whose heart turns away from the Lord. That person will be like a bush in the wastelands; they will not see prosperity when it comes. They will dwell in the parched places of the desert, in a salt land where no one lives.“But blessed is the one who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him. They will be like a tree planted by the water that sends out its roots by the stream. It does not fear when heat comes; its leaves are always green. It has no worries in a year of drought and never fails to bear fruit.
And we probably all heard and agreed with Jeremiah 17:14
Heal me, Lord, and I will be healed; save me and I will be saved, for you are the one I praise.
What we don't agree with is Jeremiah 17:19-27 to keep the Sabbath day holy physically.
The Israelites were punished because of spiritual whoredom which led to desecration of the physical Sabbath.
Now if the Israelites served as an example and if we claim that we obey the Lord spiritually why one would speak against physical Sabbath keeping is beyond me.
Of course not, in context it shows how foolish it is for someone to say that Paul forsook obedience to God in order to win someone to Christ. He did not forsake keeping the Sabbath to win souls. He did, however observe customs of Gentiles that were not contrary to God's Law but you will never find where Paul compromised the Law of God.
1 Corinthians 9:19-23
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
[SUP]21 [/SUP]To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
Galatians 4:9-11
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
Do you read the scriptures I post? I'm not making any of this up. Its all in the bible. At least its in the KJV...
Yep it is in there, but as I have posted, Paul did not compromise obedience to "win souls". He did not profane the Sabbath to try to convert someone any more than he became a muderer to try to convert a murderer.
You seem to think that what he said was a license to break the Law of God.
Galatians 2:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
If I am dead to the law then which laws should I try to resurrect? The fourth? Which laws will I obey by my strength and flesh?
It is the Spirit that brings Life. That is what I am alive to. So that I might live unto God.
I didn't think that. You insinuated that.
The original question was, Did Paul keep the sabbath and the feasts? The answer is that he appeared to, to those who are under the law, in order to win them to Christ.
But 1 Corinthians 9 explains exactly why he did those things.
Not because Paul was still practicing Judaism and thats what we should all do too.
Instead of picking and choosing (proof texting) Gal 4, let's really read it...
Gal 4:1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
Gal 4:2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
What were they in bondage to? The Law of God? No the elements of the world.
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
It does not say to redeem them FROM the Law, it says to redeem them who were under the Law. Those who were under the death penalty for breaking the Law...
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
The problem is not the Law, it sin...
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
When they did not know God they did service to false gods that were not God.
Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
And what were they in bondage to and turning back to?
Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
Lev 19:26 Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.
Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
Remember, we are talking about the elements of the world, here.
Gal 4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
Why?
Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
What elements?
Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Gal 4:12 Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.
Gal 4:13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
Gal 4:15 Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.
Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Gal 4:17 They zealously affect you, but not well; yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them.
Gal 4:18 But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing, and not only when I am present with you.
Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Gal 4:20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.
Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
And here Paul is battling the idea that by certain actions he calls the elements of the world that these Galatians can be saved apart from the grace of God. He is teaching that one cannot EARN salvation and he is dead on. That does not say that one can break the Law with alacrity.
As I have said so many times, 100 lifetimes of 100 years each of perfect obedience will NOT EARN salvation. It is the (not so) free (Christ paid the price) gift of God.
But Paul addresses this also...
Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
And remember what Paul says sin is...
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
The Law defines sin...
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Your solution to sin is to do away with the Law. Christ's solution was to die in our place to pay the penalty for us for breaking the Law. Which one is a fact of history?