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1 John 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

If we are walking in His Spirit we are keeping His commandments. If we love Him we keep His commandments and He gives us His Spirit of Truth who helps us so its through Christ John 14:15-18 All His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 and His Spirit helps us keep them all.

Those who keep not His commandments, there is no truth

1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

But if we abide in Him and He in us, we keep the commandments, just as Jesus did, who is our example to follow

1 John 2:5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God [a]is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Jesus is our perfect standard of righteousness , He kept all of the commandments John 15:10 including the Sabbath Luke 4:16 which He said is doing righteousness made for everyone Isa 56:1-6.

Lets not deceive ourselves

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.

And follow in the footsteps of Jesus Christ

1 Peter 2:21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for [e]us, leaving [f]us an example, that you should follow His steps: 22 “Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth”;

Jesus wants to deliver us from living in the flesh (sin) and set our eyes on Christ living in His Spirit the way He lived keeping His own law, the perfect standard of righteousness Psa 119:172 as our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 He does not just keep us in the sinful state Paul speaks of in Rom 7, He delivers us. Don't let the popular crowd deceive us that we do not need to follow the example Christ left, its how we abide in Him and He in us.
Even the devil can quote scripture as you did above:

Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:
‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’
and,
‘In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’ ”


But you lack understanding. You would make people who live by the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus slaves again to the Law.

Jesus, born under the Law, followed the Law to the t. Even the very specific Law, which was added 430 years after the promise of sonship was given to Abraham, could not condemn Him. All men were condemned by the Law save one: Jesus Christ. By this, He demonstrated that He was the One promised, the Redeemer of all men.

When we read "commandments" we should not insert "the 10 commandments". For example, here is a commandment of God:

Now the Lord had said to Abram:
“Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father’s house"


Because Abraham was led by the Spirit of God, Abraham could receive direction directly from God. And we know, because Abraham believed God and followed God's direction, he was credited with righteousness. This is a righteousness that exceeded the Law in magnitude and time, as it came 430 years before the Law was added. This occurred under the priesthood of Melchizedek.

Jesus, by His death and resurrection, became The Christ. So, He was greater after resurrection than He was before His death, or, more precisely, because of His death and resurrection, His authority was without question in heaven and the earth. Before His death He was a man. After His death He became a The Life Giving Spirit. Now, revealed as the Christ, He could contain that lives of ALL PEOPLE WHO RECEIVED HIM. So we who love the Lord are all included in Him.

This reality brings us back to the time from the foundation of the earth. In this time The Father, the Son, and the Spirit were One.

"...that they all may be one
(the disciples and all who would believe in Christ), as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me."

Under the Levitical covenant, added because of transgressions, a man showed his love for God by following the Law which includes the 10 Commandments.

But this was not always so. Before the Law was given, a man could "believe God" and receive a righteousness evaluation from God. This is the grace Abraham, and everyone before him, walked under.

"Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness"

Abraham was even called a "friend of God" due to his belief.

This reflects the essence of the covenant God had with the Son from the foundation of the earth. This was a relationship of love and devotion to each other: the Father to the Son and the Son to the Father.

The Father's point of view is this:

"This is my Son in whom I am well pleased"

The Son's point of view is this:

"A Son can only do what He sees His Father doing"

So what is the Father doing now? Hebrews tells us:

"For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works

The Father is currently at rest. Therefore, the son, or a son of God (who is neither male nor female) who believes God, may enter the sabbath of God "today", just as it is written:

For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

Joshua, under the Law and under the commandment to not work on the 7th day, the 4th commandment, knew that THAT sabbath rest was not the sabbath rest promised by God. They were all to enter into God's rest and only do what they saw their Father doing. However, because they did not obey God, God gave them the Law. Therein, He only required one day out of 7 for rest. Why? Because He could not treat them as sons. A son would only do the work of God at all time. This is a sabbath way of life. The Law, then, was a light onto their weakness: they could not even keep one day out of 7 to rest! This reality, in the light of the Spirit, would have created desperation in anyone wanting to follow God.

So, a Redeemer had to come. And who was that Redeemer?

Then Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

Jesus Christ could provide rest to all who believe in Him. not the paltry 1 day of 7, but as a continuous rest in the Father who is currently at rest.

"A Son can only do what He sees His Father doing"

So a son of God will remain at sabbath, and only do what His Father is doing. To do less than this is to admit you are not a son of God. Indeed, you remain a slave under the Law from which Christ bought your freedom.
 

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Even the devil can quote scripture as you did above:

Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:
‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’
and,
‘In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’ ”


But you lack understanding. You would make people who live by the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus slaves again to the Law.

Jesus, born under the Law, followed the Law to the t. Even the very specific Law, which was added 430 years after the promise of sonship was given to Abraham, could not condemn Him. All men were condemned by the Law save one: Jesus Christ. By this, He demonstrated that He was the One promised, the Redeemer of all men.

When we read "commandments" we should not insert "the 10 commandments". For example, here is a commandment of God:

Now the Lord had said to Abram:
“Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father’s house"


Because Abraham was led by the Spirit of God, Abraham could receive direction directly from God. And we know, because Abraham believed God and followed God's direction, he was credited with righteousness. This is a righteousness that exceeded the Law in magnitude and time, as it came 430 years before the Law was added. This occurred under the priesthood of Melchizedek.

Jesus, by His death and resurrection, became The Christ. So, He was greater after resurrection than He was before His death, or, more precisely, because of His death and resurrection, His authority was without question in heaven and the earth. Before His death He was a man. After His death He became a The Life Giving Spirit. Now, revealed as the Christ, He could contain that lives of ALL PEOPLE WHO RECEIVED HIM. So we who love the Lord are all included in Him.

This reality brings us back to the time from the foundation of the earth. In this time The Father, the Son, and the Spirit were One.

"...that they all may be one (the disciples and all who would believe in Christ), as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me."

Under the Levitical covenant, added because of transgressions, a man showed his love for God by following the Law which includes the 10 Commandments.

But this was not always so. Before the Law was given, a man could "believe God" and receive a righteousness evaluation from God. This is the grace Abraham, and everyone before him, walked under.

"Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness"

Abraham was even called a "friend of God" due to his belief.

This reflects the essence of the covenant God had with the Son from the foundation of the earth. This was a relationship of love and devotion to each other: the Father to the Son and the Son to the Father.

The Father's point of view is this:

"This is my Son in whom I am well pleased"

The Son's point of view is this:

"A Son can only do what He sees His Father doing"

So what is the Father doing now? Hebrews tells us:

"For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works

The Father is currently at rest. Therefore, the son, or a son of God (who is neither male nor female) who believes God, may enter the sabbath of God "today", just as it is written:

For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

Joshua, under the Law and under the commandment to not work on the 7th day, the 4th commandment, knew that THAT sabbath rest was not the sabbath rest promised by God. They were all to enter into God's rest and only do what they saw their Father doing. However, because they did not obey God, God gave them the Law. Therein, He only required one day out of 7 for rest. Why? Because He could not treat them as sons. A son would only do the work of God at all time. This is a sabbath way of life. The Law, then, was a light onto their weakness: they could not even keep one day out of 7 to rest! This reality, in the light of the Spirit, would have created desperation in anyone wanting to follow God.

So, a Redeemer had to come. And who was that Redeemer?

Then Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

Jesus Christ could provide rest to all who believe in Him. not the paltry 1 day of 7, but as a continuous rest in the Father who is currently at rest.

"A Son can only do what He sees His Father doing"

So a son of God will remain at sabbath, and only do what His Father is doing. To do less than this is to admit you are not a son of God. Indeed, you remain a slave under the Law from which Christ bought your freedom.
Interesting because

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For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

Does not say

The Father is currently at rest. Therefore, the son, or a son of God (who is neither male nor female) who believes God, may enter the sabbath of God "today", just as it is written:


Nor does any scripture say God is currently at rest. There is no such thing as entering the Sabbath of God and no scripture says this. The Sabbath according to God's own Words that He personally wrote is on the seventh day is the Sabbath Exo 20:10

Those who enter His rest ALSO cease their works as God did, on the seventh day Heb 4:4 Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3

10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
"For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works


So yes, we can quote scripture out of context and good case in point.
 

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Obeying God the way He asks by love and faith will never be carnal. but Paul told us what is. Rom 8:7-8 Same thing Jesus said depart from Me. Mat 7:21-23. The persecution is what we were told would happen Rev 12:17 we just need to decide which side of the war we are on Rom 6:16

Guess all will get sorted out soon enough.
Oh please. "I'm persecuted because people attack my teachings".

No, they attack your teachings because you are wrong. Just like the council at Jerusalem who rejected the false teachings of the Judaizers and as Jesus attacked the teachings of the Sanhedrin and Pharisees.

You get no sympathy for teaching lies, as Jesus, Paul, Peter, and John said warned us about.

"Therefore she said to Abraham, “Cast out this bondwoman and her son; for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son..."
 
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Obeying God the way He asks by love and faith will never be carnal.
That's correct. But you twist that to mean keeping the law by love and faith, which is contradictory and nonsensical

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them [commandments] shall live in them. Galatians 3:11-12
 

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Interesting because

This
For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

Does not say

The Father is currently at rest. Therefore, the son, or a son of God (who is neither male nor female) who believes God, may enter the sabbath of God "today", just as it is written:


Nor does any scripture say God is currently at rest

God did not cease His works every day. He ceased His works on the seventh day as the scripture plainly says

"For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works

So yes, we can quote scripture out of context and good case in point.
I explained that later, but of course you missed it.

Even so, I'm writing to people who believe in the Lord.

It reads

"although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."

And then it goes on to say:

The Sabbath rest is for any day called "today".

Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”


These things require the Spirit and wisdom to see. By following the Law you have agreed to self-imposed blindness:

"But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart."
 

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I explained that later, but of course you missed it.

Even so, I'm writing to people who believe in the Lord.

It reads

"although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."

And then it goes on to say:

The Sabbath rest is for any day called "today".

Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”


These things require the Spirit and wisdom to see. By following the Law you have agreed to self-imposed blindness:

"But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart."

So this is you quoting "you"

The Sabbath rest is for any day called "today"

And this is what the scripture says

Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”


Not even close to being the same.

It is a quote from David Psalms 95

Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the [c]rebellion,
As in the day of [d]trial in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was [e]grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

Nothing about the Sabbath being called "today" God already spoke a certain way about the seventh day Heb 4:4 and said the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo 20:10

Its about hearing God's voice "Today" and not being in rebellion to Him like editing His commandments that He said not to and He wouldn't. Deut 4:2 Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18

Lets let God be God and obey Him the way He said.
 

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So this is you quoting "you"

The Sabbath rest is for any day called "today"

And this is what the scripture say

Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”


Not even close to being the same.

It is a quote from David Psalms 95

Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the [c]rebellion,
As in the day of [d]trial in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was [e]grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

Nothing about the Sabbath being called "today"

Its about hearing God's voice "Today" and not being in rebellion to Him like editing His commandments that He said not to and He wouldn't. Deut 4:2 Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18

Lets let God be God and obey Him the way He said.
Are you serious?

Hebrews literally connects "today" with the Sabbath of God.

Why? The people DID NOT hear God's voice so He gave them a Law to rest one day out of 7! It's literally right there!

What was the other option: to obey God, come into His presence, and become the sons of God. But, instead, they were given a Law that made them slaves. This is how and why the Law was added.

Try this: renounce the Seventh Day Adventist teachings and then come back and read the passages I referenced. Don't tell anyone or they will excommunicate you. Just skip a meeting. The Lord of The Sabbath will talk with you directly if you do this, and you will see the light.
 

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Are you serious?

Hebrews literally connects "today" with the Sabbath of God.

Why? The people DID NOT hear God's voice so He gave them a Law to rest one day out of 7! It's literally right there!

What was the other option: to obey God, come into His presence, and become the sons of God. But, instead, they were given a Law that made them slaves. This is how and why the Law was added.

Try this: renounce the Seventh Day Adventist teachings and them come back and read the passages I referenced. Don't tell anyone or they will excommunicate you. Just skip a meeting. The Lord of The Sabbath will talk with you directly if you do this, and you will see the light.
I just showed you plainly it doesn't. It says Today if you hear His voice- it does not say today is the Sabbath and ignore what God said. Exo 20:10 Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18

Its warning about what the Israelites did in the wilderness and not to follow the same path of disobedience


It is a quote from David Psalms 95

Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the [c]rebellion,
As in the day of [d]trial in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was [e]grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

The rest here is Canaan

Eze 20:13 13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Following the same path of disobedience is not how we enter in our rest in Christ.

Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.


Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
Heb :4: 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.
 

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I just showed you plainly it doesn't. It says Today if you hear His voice- it does not say today is the Sabbath and ignore what God said.
It is talking about entering the rest of God!

Now you're just being obtuse.

Look, I've given you direction on how to end this nonsense of Judaism in your life. Follow it and you'll be changed. May God help you.
 

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It is talking about entering the rest of God!

Now you're just being obtuse.

Look, I've given you direction on how to end this nonsense of Judaism in your life. Follow it and you'll be changed. May God help you.
Two rests- one Christ gives and those who entered His rest ALSO cease their works as God did from His, on the seventh day. Heb 4:4 Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
Heb :4: 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;
 

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Two rests- one Christ gives and those who entered His rest ALSO cease their works as God did from His, on the seventh day. Heb 4:4 Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
Heb :4: 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;
No.

There is only the sabbath as defined by the Law at Sinai and the Sabbath rest of God.

The Son can only do what His Father does.

Christ makes the original rest available to all who are in Him. This is the original Sabbath. It existed before the Legal sabbath that was merely a shadow of what was to come: a life of Sabbath in Christ as one with God the Father.
 

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No.

There is only the sabbath as defined by the Law at Sinai and the Sabbath rest of God.

The Son can only do what His Father does.

Christ makes the original rest available to all who are in Him. This is the original Sabbath. It existed before the Legal sabbath that was merely a shadow of what was to come: a life of Sabbath in Christ as one with God the Father.
God only indicates one weekly Sabbath rest that started at Creation and He said this right in the Sabbath commandment

Exo 20: 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The Sabbath rest did not change

In the NT it is still according to the commandment

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

When God blesses something, man has no authority to reverse Number 23:20 and man has no authority to countermand one of God's commandments. They can, but as the Holy Spirit tells us Today if you hear His voice, not to be in rebellion to Him Heb 3:7-8, but we are given we will to follow what the Israelites did that didn't work out so well for them Eze 20:13 Exe 20:21 and we are told not to go down that same path Heb 4:6 Heb 4:11
 

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God only indicates one weekly Sabbath rest that started at Creation and He said this right in the Sabbath commandment

Exo 20: 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The Sabbath rest did not change

Even in the NT it is still according to the commandment

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

When God blesses something, man has no authority to reverse Number 23:20 and man has no authority to countermand one of God's commandments. They can, but as the Holy Spirit tells us Today if you hear His voice, not to be in rebellion to Him, but we are given we will to follow what the Israelites did that didn't work out so well for them Eze 20:13 Exe 20:21
Of course. They were still under the law of Sinai.

The law WAS for one day. The Sabbath rest of God is for "today", whenever you hear His voice.
 

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Of course. They were still under the law of Sinai.

The law WAS for one day. The Sabbath rest of God is for "today", whenever you hear His voice.
No scripture says either, guess why you keep quoting "you". Jesus told us to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4
 

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God only indicates one weekly Sabbath rest that started at Creation and He said this right in the Sabbath commandment

Exo 20: 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The Sabbath rest did not change

In the NT it is still according to the commandment

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

When God blesses something, man has no authority to reverse Number 23:20 and man has no authority to countermand one of God's commandments. They can, but as the Holy Spirit tells us Today if you hear His voice, not to be in rebellion to Him Heb 3:7-8, but we are given we will to follow what the Israelites did that didn't work out so well for them Eze 20:13 Exe 20:21 and we are told not to go down that same path Heb 4:6 Heb 4:11
The law was a shadow of the realty to come:

"For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect."

So, you cannot say the Sabbath of God at creation ( a life) is the same sabbath found at Sinai (1/7 of the week).

Nope.

Christ returns us to the original Sabbath.
 

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No scripture says either, guess why you keep quoting "you". Jesus told us to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4
It's quoted in Hebrews above. In the same chapter and the same passage. You refuse to admit they are connected.
 

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The law was a shadow of the realty to come:

"For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect."

So, you cannot say the Sabbath of God at creation ( a life) is the same sabbath found at Sinai (1/7 of the week).

Nope.

Christ returns us to the original Sabbath.
Where is there any sacrifices in the Sabbath commandment? Exo 20:8-11 That Jesus said started at Creation Exo 20:11 when God made everything perfect. Sacrifices came for sinning, which is breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 Sin never started at Creation. No sacrifices needed.
 

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Jesus told us to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4
Good. Then live by this:

"Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar."
 

SabbathBlessing

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Good. Then live by this:

"Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar."
Where does it say the law that changed in Heb 7 is the Sabbath. It talks about the law that changed in that chapter, the priesthood and why it had to change all in Hebrews 7, best to let the scripture speak for itself.
 

Aaron56

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Where does it say the law that changed in Heb 7 is the Sabbath. It talks about the law that changed in that chapter, the priesthood and why it had to change all in Hebrews 7, best to let the scripture speak for itself.
The priests of Levi administered the Law of Sinai. You cannot have two administrations of priests at the same time. That would mean God is double-minded. He is pure. It was the Levitical priests that oversaw adherence to the legal sabbath given at Sinai. They carried this responsibility into the days of Jesus.

Yet when Jesus and the disciples picked grain on the legal sabbath the priests criticized them and condemned them:

At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. 2 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!”

But Jesus concluded that He was greater than the center of the Levitical Law:

3 But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: 4 how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? 6 Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple. 7 But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

Interestingly enough, David was also a king and priest. Under the Law, when he ate the bread, he could have been killed. Yet the priests recognized a greater "law" at work in David: a Father provides food for the son He loves. This did not nullify the law that could have David killed, it superseded it.