I agree, but in the meantime I encourage you to meditate more on the whole NT and interpret the OT in light of it.
You are one of the first people I have met who does the opposite, so thanks for teaching me how to apply GW to this issue.
The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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I agree, but in the meantime I encourage you to meditate more on the whole NT and interpret the OT in light of it.
You are one of the first people I have met who does the opposite, so thanks for teaching me how to apply GW to this issue.
You probably are referring to Luke 9:35 " ... This is my beloved Son: hear him. " But this is NOT saying to disobey the Father in lieu of the Son, " God forbid" ... (disobedience to the Father ( anti-Love ) which is what you continually advocate .... as did/does Satan )
John 5:19 – “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself, unless he sees the Father doing it. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does.”
John 8:28 – “So Jesus said to them, ‘When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me.”
John 14:10 – “Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.”
John 12:49 – “For I have not spoken on my own, but the Father who sent me has commanded me to say all that I have spoken.”
Jesus constantly all thru His Word, the Bible, Gen to Rev preached by example and word, obedience to God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
And I believe, have Faith & PRAY that by having Jesus and His Righteousness ( His right doing of His Father's Will, His Law, His Character of Love)
Dwelling in me, per Gal 2:20 by the process of sanctification (The way of the Sanctuary, Ivor Myers, The Blueprint to Righteousness!
I am becoming, ( I'm still not there yet ) , by Faith in beholding the Son of God, & Praying to be Judged an obedient, loving Child of God... fit for heaven.
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the LORD. 2 Corinthians 3:18
Matthew 7:14 - 23
"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few there be that find it.
15 "¶Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."
16 "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" ( Doctrines of devils =disobedience )
17 "Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit."
18 "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."
19 "Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."
20 "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
21 "¶Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
22 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"
23 "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (iniquity = absence of moral or spiritual values = God's moral law)
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A. Sacrificial System
B. Messianic Prophecy
C. Historical Types
A. Incarnation
“The Old Testament is the New Testament concealed; the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed”
This statement expresses a deeply biblical truth: the entire Bible presents one unified revelation of Christ. Though the exact phrase is not in Scripture, the concept is clearly taught.1. The Foundational Principle
At that time, “the scriptures” referred to the Old Testament. Thus:
- The Old Testament points forward to Christ
- The New Testament reveals Him clearly
2. The Old Testament: Christ Concealed
The Old Testament presents Christ through types, shadows, and prophecy.A. Sacrificial System
- Lamb → Christ (John 1:29)
- Priest → Christ (Hebrews 4:14)
- Sanctuary → Plan of salvation (Hebrews 8:1–2)
B. Messianic Prophecy
- Isaiah 53 → Suffering Messiah
- Micah 5:2 → Birthplace
- Daniel 9:24–27 → Timeline
C. Historical Types
- Adam → Type of Christ (Romans 5:14)
- Passover → Christ our Passover (1 Cor. 5:7)
- Exodus → Deliverance from sin
3. The New Testament: Christ Revealed
What was symbolic becomes reality.
A. Incarnation
B. The Cross
C. The Priesthood
4. Simple Comparison
- Lamb sacrificed → Christ crucified
- Earthly sanctuary → Heavenly sanctuary
- Aaronic priesthood → Christ our High Priest
- Prophecy → Fulfillment
- Shadow → Reality
5. Why Many Missed It
They had Scripture—but lacked Christ-centered understanding.
6. Ellen White Insight
(Scripture remains the primary authority; these statements harmonize with it.)
7. Adventist Emphasis
- Moral law remains
- Ceremonial law fulfilled
- One consistent plan of salvation
8. Spiritual Application
Just as Christ was once revealed in symbols, He must now be revealed in the believer:Conclusion
- The Old Testament conceals Christ in symbols, types, and prophecy
- The New Testament reveals Christ in fulfillment and clarity
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With all the above, having been said...
Y'all will have to excuse me
I'm part of a small group of Adventists who are presenting a typical Daniel & Revelation Bible Prophecy Seminar, here locally in Mid-Tenn, USA
and I've GOT TO set my priorities, elsewhere .. (which I'm sure some of you are happy to hear.!
... and I leave you in very capable hands of Christians, "... the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Rev 14: 12
Y'all will have to excuse me
I'm part of a small group of Adventists who are presenting a typical Daniel & Revelation Bible Prophecy Seminar, here locally in Mid-Tenn, USA
and I've GOT TO set my priorities, elsewhere .. (which I'm sure some of you are happy to hear.!
... and I leave you in very capable hands of Christians, "... the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Rev 14: 12
******************************** ~~ Blessings Y'all ~~ ********************************
I do what Jesus asks us to. Its how Jesus overcame the attack from the devil and its wise advice.
Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”
How many thus saith the LORDS would one have to void out to do what you are suggesting. I believe all of God's Word is Scripture and meant for our learning in correction and righteousness. 2Tim3:16 And once God makes something righteous Isa:56:1-2 Psa119:172 it stays righteous because its eternal Psa119:142 and the foundation of His throne Psa89:14 You are free to forget the works of our LORD Exo32:16 we were told not to Psa78:7 Rev 2:26. God said Remember, you say to forget. My faith is will have to be in my Creator Exo20:11 the God we are told to only worship Rev14:7
you still err with "Israel only" jesus commanded us all to keep them all through the Holy spirit ie sends his believers its that simple. remember the great commission where Jesus sent to disciples to preach all he did and said. remember Paul who said the commandments are Holy and just and good;
Romans 7:12 (NKJV)
“Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.”
Here are a few verses just below it so you can see the full thought:
Romans 7:13–16 (NKJV)
“Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.
For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.
If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good.”
In simple words, the commandment is not the problem. It is holy and good. The problem is sin in the heart of man, which fights against what is right.
if you believe Christ and accept his blood shed for us, you are in the New covenant and are sealed in it and can receive the Holy Spirit that will guide you at all truth. the difference from the old to the new is Jesus made if possible to us to receive the Holy Spirit that enables us to do God's will, to be Holy as he is Holy, this is what God wants for all who believe. Time is SHORT and we must keep oil for our lamps. Prepare!
see:https://christianchat.com/threads/m...ays-about-sanctification.222794/#post-5706914
Yes, I agree with everything you cited, but I encourage you to interpret OT verses such as Psa. 119:172 in light of NT teachings,
including everything I have cited, such as Heb. 9:1, 9-10, 15, 10:1, 9-10, 12:22-24.
His righteousness is everlasting to everlasting so it doesn't change, because He doesn't change. The issue has never been the law of God, but the heart of man, that issue hasn't changed- God doesn't lower His standard to us, He lifts us up to Him if one allows. This idea that man in the OT could do evil Neh13:17 Isa 56:2 profane God Eze22:26 and its perfectly fine to do so in NT is just a deception my friend. God said Remember for a reason because forgetting shows we serve a voice of another instead of Him Isa56:6 Jesus is the LORD of the Sabbath, not the first day because He is our Creator Col1:16 Exo20:11 the only God we are ever told to worship Rev14:7 and I going to stick with what He says. He said is it lawful to do good or evil on the Sabbath because its still God's law and profaning Him is still evil.
You just admitted you aren’t there yet because you’re still trying to make yourself fit for heaven. That isn't the Gospel; it's a performance review. You are using the Ivor Myers blueprint to try and replicate the work of Jesus, but the Bible says the Father’s work is simply to believe in the one He sent in John 6:29.You probably are referring to Luke 9:35 " ... This is my beloved Son: hear him. " But this is NOT saying to disobey the Father in lieu of the Son, " God forbid" ... (disobedience to the Father ( anti-Love ) which is what you continually advocate .... as did/does Satan )
John 5:19 – “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself, unless he sees the Father doing it. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does.”
John 8:28 – “So Jesus said to them, ‘When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me.”
John 14:10 – “Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.”
John 12:49 – “For I have not spoken on my own, but the Father who sent me has commanded me to say all that I have spoken.”
Jesus constantly all thru His Word, the Bible, Gen to Rev preached by example and word, obedience to God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
And I believe, have Faith & PRAY that by having Jesus and His Righteousness ( His right doing of His Father's Will, His Law, His Character of Love)
Dwelling in me, per Gal 2:20 by the process of sanctification (The way of the Sanctuary, Ivor Myers, The Blueprint to Righteousness!
I am becoming, ( I'm still not there yet ) , by Faith in beholding the Son of God, & Praying to be Judged an obedient, loving Child of God... fit for heaven.
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the LORD. 2 Corinthians 3:18
Matthew 7:14 - 23
"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few there be that find it.
15 "¶Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."
16 "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" ( Doctrines of devils =disobedience )
17 "Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit."
18 "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."
19 "Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."
20 "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
21 "¶Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
22 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"
23 "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (iniquity = absence of moral or spiritual values = God's moral law)
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In Matthew 7, the iniquity of those people was that they showed up at the gate with a resume full of wonderful works and religious checklists. They were rejected because they were pointing to their own blueprint performance instead of knowing the Shepherd. Their iniquity was replacing the Father’s actual will, which is to trust the Son's finished work, with their own self-righteous merit. By trying to become fit for heaven through sanctuary math, you are standing in the exact same line as the people Jesus says He never knew.
You quoted Romans 7 to show the law is holy, but you ignored verses 4-6 which say we have died to the law so that we can belong to another. A mirror is holy for showing you that your face is dirty, but you don't use the mirror to wash your face; you go to the Water.
The Great Commission was to teach others to observe all that Jesus commanded, and His commandment was a NEW one to love as He loved us. If you are still looking at the stone tablets to find your righteousness, you are trying to live under a contract that Paul says we have been released from. The commandment isn't the problem, but trying to build your house on the shadow when the Substance is standing right in front of you is.
Dead to the law of Moses that has passed, are you without intelligence? When Paul speaks like this is it always the obsolete parts of the law of Moses or else it would mean that Paul would contradict himself and if this was the case his words would be rendered useless!
You mean Ellen’s plagiarized view of scripture remains the primary authority. The shadow idea was being taught long before ellen wrote it down. Both of the books you quoted from were plagiarized. Even SDA scholars admitted that.
You are trying to slice the Law into pieces to save your blueprint, but Paul does not do that. In Romans 7, right after saying we are dead to the Law, he specifically quotes "Thou shalt not covet" which is one of the Ten Commandments. Paul is not contradicting himself; he is showing you that we have been released from the entire Sinai contract so we can serve in the new way of the Spirit. If you are still trying to live under the jurisdiction of the stone tablets, you are ignoring the fact that the King already fulfilled that contract and moved us to a higher law of Love.
GOD Wrote His law in 2 main parts, the way He wanted it to be, not me!
1. Exodus 34:28
“And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.”
2. Deuteronomy 4:13
“So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.”
3. Deuteronomy 9:9
“When I went up into the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant which the LORD made with you, then I stayed on the mountain forty days and forty nights. I neither ate bread nor drank water.”
4. Deuteronomy 9:11
“And it came to pass, at the end of forty days and forty nights, that the LORD gave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant.”
You are acting like the New Covenant is just a patch for the Old, but God says in Hebrews 8:9 that it is NOT like the one made at Sinai. By trying to drag the stone tablets into the New Covenant, you are calling God a liar. You can't be "under grace" while still clinging to the "ministry of death" engraved on stones. If the Ten Commandments were the foundation of the Old Covenant, and that covenant is now OBSOLETE (Hebrews 8:13), then why are you still trying to live in a house that the King already tore down to build something better?
You have no power to prevent God from changing what He determines to change!
Nor does man have the power to change what God deemed as unchangeable. Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19
Once God Blesses, its forever 1 Chron17:27 and man cannot take away God's Blessing Num23:20 God blessed the Sabbath day Exo20:11 and blesses the man who keeps it Isa56:2. We can't take away God's blessing, we can only forfeit our own, which I would not advise
Psa 37:22 For those blessed by Him shall inherit the earth,
But those cursed by Him shall be cut off.
2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.