The word of God is not a secret code that needs unlocked.

[Genez]

I dont really have a problem with the word passover but you have a problem with the word easter. It appears your lack of an understanding of the word. It so happens you allign with a wrong one.

It so happens I am Jewish. And, you have no idea how stupid you make Christians look.

 

[GWH]

is your trust in Christ or in kjv?

Yeah. The KJV is fine but it’s a waste of time to spend half of it trying to figure out or a sermon explaining what the Elizabethan English means!

 

[Genez]

Yeah. The KJV is fine but it’s a waste of time to spend half of it trying to figure out or a sermon explaining what the Elizabethan English means!

The King James archaic English needs exegesis!

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

As poetic as the KJV may sound, the English language has changed drastically in 400 years.
Many words in the KJV have changed meaning since then or are not even being used anymore, unless one is a thespian in a Shakespearean play.
If one feels the need to use the KJV, a KJV study Bible with footnotes makes it easier to comprehend.
Anyone who is middle-aged or older can testify how words and phrases have changed since the 80's

If you take the blue pill, you will wake up and believe whatever you want to believe. But if you take the red pill, you can start to dig into the truth and see just how deep this rabbit hole goes. Most simply do not care to dig for the truth, and they have only a surface understanding of this topic. Do you know the origins of the Modern Bible Movement? Do you know that these men were heretics and even more heretics were attached later to this movement through history? This is why I challenge you to go beyond your current understanding. There is so much more depth to this topic than the KJV just simply being a 17th-century English translation. There are changed doctrines in Modern Bibles that are for the worse, and not for the better.



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[Dino246]

Because you are against the foundation of the faith (i.e., the Bible, the KJV).
You are for shape shifting Bibles and scholars, and not any real settled text that God has preserved for today.

Again, you are being hypocritical. You prefer the 1900 version of the KJV, but pretend that it's identical to the 1611 when complaining about "modern" versions. Your preferred version has been through several revisions and is actually younger than some of those you decry. Yours is a "shape-shifter" version no less than any "modern" version, and more so than some.

 

[Dino246]

If you take the blue pill, you will wake up and believe whatever you want to believe. But if you take the red pill, you can start to dig into the truth and see just how deep this rabbit hole goes. Most simply do not care to dig for the truth, and they have only a surface understanding of this topic. Do you know the origins of the Modern Bible Movement? Do you know that these men were heretics and even more heretics were attached later to this movement through history? This is why I challenge you to go beyond your current understanding. There is so much more depth to this topic than the KJV just simply being a 17th-century English translation. There are changed doctrines in Modern Bibles that are for the worse, and not for the better.



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Your response reminds me of Justin Trudeau and his Liberal cronies in the Canadian parliament. You, like they, seem incapable of responding to any challenge or criticism without sidestepping it and throwing shade on your favourite scapegoats.

 

[Dino246]

Again, Easter and Passover are simply synonyms.

Try convincing a Jew of that.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

I've heard that to understand difficult verses of the Bible or to have deeper meaning of any verse, requires guidance of the Holy Spirit. Any thoughts about this?

Precious friend, I agree with that, using also These:

Bible study Rules!

Amen.

 

[Dino246]

So you want me to abandon the Bible?
Because if there is one error, just one, it might as well be a thousand errors, or 783,137 errors.
I mean, stop and think a moment. Faith is not always logical. Do you think Abraham was thinking it made sense that God was telling him to sacrifice his son Isaac? I am sure it was not rational or logical to him at all. But what he had was faith and trust. He believed what God said despite the evidence or reasons, etcetera.

Faith has nothing to do with it (again you are sidestepping). Faith is certainty in things not seen, not pretend-certainty in what you hold in your hands.

You pretend to be logical, but the moment you have to deal with an error in the KJV, suddenly you set aside your "perfection" and hold to "better than the modern versions".

Perfection does not allow for "two and twenty" to equal "forty-two". It does not allow for "twelfth" being the same as "eleventh". It does not allow for "farthing" in place of "assarion". Perfection is absolutely uncompromising, not conveniently set aside when it doesn't happen to work for you.

Nobody wants you to abandon the Bible, but we would prefer if you stop being inconsistent in your aggressive defense of your preferred translation.

 

[Dino246]

No, it means that there is simply an incorruptible line of His Word, and there is another line of Bibles that are corrupted.
But we have been over this with real world examples and you still do not either get it, or accept it.

Either God's word is incorruptible, or it is not. There is no such thing as an "incorruptible line of His Word". That's a fantasy you made up to defend your previous statement.

It is incoherent to claim that God's word is incorruptible while claiming that it has been corrupted. The two simply cannot exist in the same reality.

 

[Dino246]

I did not slander Westcott and Hort. I am merely telling the truth about them and the movement they caused. They are the ones who made possible the Modern Bible Movement today. So nobody has to stand up for them. It simply is the origins of the movement you follow whether you like that fact or not.

I don't follow a "movement"; I follow Jesus Christ. You should too.

Note: I am also partaking of a deep impending investigation involving Westcott and Hort's Revised Version, as well.
I am doing a comparative analysis of the text. Whatever the results, I will be true to them.

You might want to check the dictionary next time, before using words unfamiliar to you.

 

[Dino246]

Seeing the KJV tells me to trust both Christ and His Word (Which would be in the form of the KJV)

Um, no, the KJV does not tell you to trust the KJV. If it did, it would have been put out to the pasture of heresy centuries ago.

Jesus said we are to abide in Him, and His words. The words I get from Jesus come from the KJV. Modern Bibles change and remove the actual words of Jesus.

Ridiculous. Do you really think Jesus said "farthing"? Again your hyprocrisy shines brightly.

 

[Dino246]

To be unbiased, you can simply ask ChatGPT (an AI tool) to tell you if there are differences of meaning in the text. I have been doing this to get a more unbiased approach. So no. It is not just, all me, who is tripping over himself to see only my own interpretation. I believe things should be looked at fairly.

Yet you don't use the same standard for the KJV that you use for other translations. Again, hypocrisy.

 

[GWH]

I would like to comment on Bible-Highlighter's comment that "Faith is not always logical. Do you think Abraham was thinking it made sense that God was telling him to sacrifice his son Isaac? I am sure it was not rational or logical to him at all. But what he had was faith and trust. He believed what God said despite the evidence or reasons, etcetera."

I think it is more accurate to say that faith does not always seem logical, because we may not understand God's reasons.

And saving faith is not blind but rather based on the evidence preserved by God's Scripture, although details may be a bit foggy like a poor reflection (1CR 13:12).

 

[fredoheaven]

It so happens I am Jewish. And, you have no idea how stupid you make Christians look.

Alright, I understand you being of Jewish descent, people who do not celebrate a commemoration of Jesus' resurrection which is not a part of your theology or tradition, instead you celebrate Passover to commemorate Exodus from Egypt. But this has nothing to do with the translation

grace and peace

 

[fredoheaven]

Yes, it appears to be a false friend. Bede, who first made this connection admits this idea is his speculation; he is not actually aware of a goddess called Eostre, he just thinks there was one. There is not a single reference to her, from the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles, any of the other writings we have from the period, or from inscriptions. No depiction, no amulets, nothing. What I am saying is that our secular culture has turned the holiday Easter into some kind of fertility celebration involving the Easter bunny and baskets full of candy eggs, and other things., and there are dictionaries selling this false story of some fertility goddess (for those pagans who do truly want to go down the road of such extreme nonsense).

The Easter Bunny itself originates from German folklore. According to legend, a rabbit known as the "Osterhase" (Easter Hare) would lay eggs and hide them for children to find. German immigrants brought this tradition to America in the 1700s, where it evolved into today’s Easter Bunny, who brings eggs as a treat, giving us Easter..

So, while we all know rabbits don’t lay eggs, they’ve become linked with Easter eggs as symbols of new life at the pagan folk-lore celebration of Easter here in the US, with this holiday also giving believers a Christian alternative of pointing out Christ's resurrection. Personally, I do not know for sure this was the correct timing of the resurrection of our Lord, so I am not much into such such a holiday. The only holiday I believe is biblical or truly Christian is Thanksgiving.


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I agree, the modernist view makes Christianity look pagan equating pagan Eostre to Christian Easter.

 

[Genez]

Alright, I understand you being of Jewish descent, people who do not celebrate a commemoration of Jesus' resurrection which is not a part of your theology or tradition, instead you celebrate Passover to commemorate Exodus from Egypt. But this has nothing to do with the translation

grace and peace

You proved it again. Jews never celebrate Easter...

If you tried to tell a Jew that the Passover and Easter are the same thing?
They will start throwing colored eggs and chocolate rabbits at you.

Please! I had a hard time trying to get some Jews to listen because of how the gentiles have botched up the Gospel message,
which has its foundation in Judaism, not the distortions that well intentioned misguided Gentiles, sometimes come up with to
make the Gospel to appear repulsive.

It's Gentiles who have been grafted into the blessings of the Jews. Not the other way around. Please learn this lesson, and stop trying to make Easter and Passover into the same thing. To a typical Jew? You would rightfully be laughed at.

Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” ​

That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand ​

fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare ​

the natural branches, neither will he spare you." Romans 11:19-21​

Christianity has been based upon a foundation laid by God as found in Judaism.

 

[fredoheaven]

You proved it again. Jews never celebrate Easter...

If you tried to tell a Jew that the Passover and Easter are the same thing?
They will start throwing colored eggs and chocolate rabbits at you.

Please! I had a hard time trying to get some Jews to listen because of how the gentiles have botched up the Gospel message,
which has its foundation in Judaism, not the distortions that well intentioned misguided Gentiles, sometimes come up with to
make the Gospel to appear repulsive.

It's Gentiles who have been grafted into the blessings of the Jews. Not the other way around. Please learn this lesson, and stop trying to make Easter and Passover into the same thing. To a typical Jew? You would rightfully be laughed at.

Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” ​

That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand ​

fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare ​

the natural branches, neither will he spare you." Romans 11:19-21​

Christianity has been based upon a foundation laid by God as found in Judaism.

just trying give understanding over facts. But again this has nothing to do with the translation for the word pasha. Giving facts is not to brag something

Grace and peace ✌️

 

[Genez]

just trying give understanding over facts. But again this has nothing to do with the translation for the word pasha. Giving facts is not to brag something

Grace and peace ✌️

I just wanted you to know the problem it causes. That's all.

It would be like offering a Muslim a ham sandwich.

grace and peace ...........

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Please! I had a hard time trying to get some Jews to listen because of how the gentiles have botched up the Gospel message,
which has its foundation in Judaism, not the distortions that well intentioned misguided Gentiles, sometimes come up with to
make the Gospel to appear repulsive.

Not true. The gospel's roots are in the bible. Judaism is a creation of the pharisees