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How much? My Dad would always say, a yard and a half .

Personally I would be more concerned as to how can we hear God the teacher who works in us .The mutual work of faith not of us but rather as it is written .(the letter of the law)

He warns us of those who do say we need a man seen to teach us and identifies it as the method of the antichrist. (1 John 2)

I would offer. The real as the literal. . the "temporal" seen must be mixed with faith the "eternal" not seen

When discussing unseen spiritual things as matters of faith (believing is seeing) The Spirit gives us His understanding as a "law faith".

It is not so much what is real and literal (the temporal historical value ) .The literal or letter of the law is death .It is isolated from the unseen gospel understanding in a parables as a law of faith (believing not seeing the literal) . When mixing the spiritual unseen understanding with the temporal as that seen we can we have heard the spell in the parable.

The two laws working as one perfect law

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The perfect law (written mixed with the unseen law of faith) performs in us as the hearing of it that in which the literal letter of the law Death could not do. Provide unseen spirit life. Both laws working as one does the work in us to both will and perform his good pleasure. Resulting in quickening ones new soul giving us simply ones his unseen understanding . The two at Calvary become one new perfect law

Beautiful gospel message in the Psalms

The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. Psalm 19: 7-9

Altogether. Apart from each other they cannot provide salvation.


Where on GOD's green earth, did you get that statement that I highlighted above in DARK RED ? ? ?
You even said it came from 1 John 2, but there is no such verse that even comes close in 1 John 2.

Are you saying that YOU DO NOT LISTEN TO BIBLE THEOLOGIANS, Pastors, or Teachers, because you think they are all influenced by the Antichrist ? ? ? If so, No Wonder your Theology got WAY OFF CENTERED.

1 John 2:19 (NIV)
19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

WHAT IS THE LAST CHURCH YOU ACTUALLY ATTENDED ? ? ?

HERE IS WHY I ASKED:

Ephesians 4:11-13 (NASB)
11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;
13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.

Hebrews 10:23-25 (ESV)
23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful.
24 And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,
25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.

If You are not in a good Bible Teaching Church, tell me where you are LOCATED, and I will do the research, so that YOU can get some serious BIBLE TEACHING.

Yes there are some Churches that teach ERRORS, but I will not recommend one of them.
 
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Where on GOD's green earth, did you get that statement that I highlighted above in DARK RED ? ? ?
You even said it came from 1 John 2, but there is no such verse that even comes close in 1 John 2.

Are you saying that YOU DO NOT LISTEN TO BIBLE THEOLOGIANS, Pastors, or Teachers, because you think they are all influenced by the Antichrist ? ? ? If so, No Wonder your Theology got WAY OFF CENTERED.

1 John 2:19 (NIV)
19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

WHAT IS THE LAST CHURCH YOU ACTUALLY ATTENDED ? ? ?

HERE IS WHY I ASKED:

Ephesians 4:11-13 (NASB)
11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;
13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.

Hebrews 10:23-25 (ESV)
23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful.
24 And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,
25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.

If You are not in a good Bible Teaching Church, tell me where you are LOCATED, and I will do the research, so that YOU can get some serious BIBLE TEACHING.

Yes there are some Churches that teach ERRORS, but I will not recommend one of them.
Yes they went out from the eternal church made up with believers coming from many different denominations. There are many anti-christs men like Peter who was influenced by the antichrist (singular) Satan .Peter the example as one of the antichrists given to us was forgiven of his blasphemy . Today the that window of opportunity is gone like the wind. It dies when Jesus the Son of man disappeared .

There are many today waiting for the antichrist the man of sin to be revealed when he could be closer than one thinks .

We are given a direct warning in verse 26-27 .

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 John 2:26-27

The commandment is to believe not.we need not that any man teach you One is our Lord and teaching Master in heaven he will not share that teaching glory with any man to include the Son of man. as revealed below .Jesus dared not stand in the holy unseen place of the father called eternal faith.

Mark 10:16-18 King James Version (KJV) And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

We can suggest how to hear what he who lives in the believer says with the tools he has given us.How to rightly abide so we can come under the loving commandment not just a good understanding. Some would have us believe we do need to seek the approval of men .Violating the warning in 1 John 2 not to.

We can teach or share how we can hear him. But he alone is the Good Master.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 

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Yes they went out from the eternal church made up with believers coming from many different denominations. There are many anti-christs men like Peter who was influenced by the antichrist (singular) Satan .Peter the example as one of the antichrists given to us was forgiven of his blasphemy . Today the that window of opportunity is gone like the wind. It dies when Jesus the Son of man disappeared .

There are many today waiting for the antichrist the man of sin to be revealed when he could be closer than one thinks .

. . .


You are WAY OFF THE DEEP END, and drowning in a sea of false beliefs.

Nothing more to talk about.
 

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How much? My Dad would always say, a yard and a half .

Personally I would be more concerned as to how can we hear God the teacher who works in us .The mutual work of faith not of us but rather as it is written .(the letter of the law)

He warns us of those who do say we need a man seen to teach us and identifies it as the method of the antichrist. (1 John 2)

I would offer. The real as the literal. . the "temporal" seen must be mixed with faith the "eternal" not seen

When discussing unseen spiritual things as matters of faith (believing is seeing) The Spirit gives us His understanding as a "law faith".

It is not so much what is real and literal (the temporal historical value ) .The literal or letter of the law is death .It is isolated from the unseen gospel understanding in a parables as a law of faith (believing not seeing the literal) . When mixing the spiritual unseen understanding with the temporal as that seen we can we have heard the spell in the parable.

The two laws working as one perfect law

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The perfect law (written mixed with the unseen law of faith) performs in us as the hearing of it that in which the literal letter of the law Death could not do. Provide unseen spirit life. Both laws working as one does the work in us to both will and perform his good pleasure. Resulting in quickening ones new soul giving us simply ones his unseen understanding . The two at Calvary become one new perfect law

Beautiful gospel message in the Psalms

The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. Psalm 19: 7-9

Altogether. Apart from each other they cannot provide salvation.
But arent you teaching us right here, do we really need a man like you to teach? See how it falls apart if all of God's counsil is not taken into account? All the Apostles were mere men, yet we take what they said as Gospel because we believe they wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. These apostles, especially Paul wrote that God gave some TEACHERS to the churches. These teachers are in the plural and are clearly other men.
 
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But arent you teaching us right here, do we really need a man like you to teach? See how it falls apart if all of God's counsil is not taken into account? All the Apostles were mere men, yet we take what they said as Gospel because we believe they wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. These apostles, especially Paul wrote that God gave some TEACHERS to the churches. These teachers are in the plural and are clearly other men.
Seeing we are to call no man teacher or father on earth . What we can teach I believe is how we can hear what the Holy Spirit says to us. How to walk by faith after the unseen eternal understand as he give us ears to hear Him . Many turn that into ears to hear the apostles which violates the law to call no man Teacher/ Master / Rabbi on earth

Our father not sen not only alone teaches us all things but also brings to our memory that in which he has. He whose name is Jealous will not share the ministry with men seen.

Remember even the Son of man Jesus when accused of being called Good Master refused to stand in the holy unseen eternal place of the father, and said one is Good Master God not seen we walk according to that work of faith that does work in us.

Mark 10:16-18 King James Version (KJV)
And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.
And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him,
Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

God is not a man as us and neither is there any daysman as a infallible fleshly teaching Master appointed to stand between God and man

The time of reformation has come .The period of time when God turned the Jews over to do that which they should not of came to end almost 2000 years ago . They as atheists insisted in a pagan form of Government .Installing that which the eyes see the temporal causing a abomination of desolation .

2 Corinthians 4:1 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things
which are seen are
temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 

VCO

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Do we need a man to teach us?

Ephesians 4:11-13 (HCSB)
11 And He personally gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers,
12 for the training of the saints in the work of ministry, to build up the body of Christ,
13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of God’s Son, ⌊growing⌋ into a mature man with a stature measured by Christ’s fullness.
 
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Neither. We are to call no man as in mankind (male and female) on earth Good Master. A term set aside for the father in heaven . Call no man or woman teacher on earth one is our God not seen in heaven (the place of faith)

What we do need is the anointing Holy Spirit that lives in the bodies of death to teach us as two walking together as one.
 

VCO

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Neither. We are to call no man as in mankind (male and female) on earth Good Master. A term set aside for the father in heaven . Call no man or woman teacher on earth one is our God not seen in heaven (the place of faith)

What we do need is the anointing Holy Spirit that lives in the bodies of death to teach us as two walking together as one.
NO SUCH VERSE IN SCRIPTURE.

Matthew 28:19-20 (HCSB)
19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”


Ephesians 4:11-13 (HCSB)
11 And He personally gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers,
12 for the training of the saints in the work of ministry, to build up the body of Christ,
13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of God’s Son, ⌊growing⌋ into a mature man with a stature measured by Christ’s fullness.



GET OUT OF THAT CULT THAT IS TEACHING YOU THOSE THINGS, I CARE ABOUT YOU! FLEE NOW! OR leave THIS SITE.

Here are the BIBLE TEACHERS that were Part of my Discipleship Period.

Dr. John MacArthur, Jr. - http://www.gty.org/ sermons dating back to the early 70s - free to listen to.
Dr. Adrian Rogers - http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/love-worth-finding/
Dr. Charles Stanley - http://www.intouch.org/
Dr. Richard Lee - http://www.firstredeemer.org/
Dr. Zola Levitt - http://www.levitt.tv/media/watch/118 - some free - videos
Dr. Ed Young - http://www.winningwalk.org/t-bio.aspx
Dr. Gil Rugh - http://www.ihcc.org/ - free sermons dating back to the late 70s - free
Dr. Chuck Swindoll - http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/insight-for-living/
Dr. Walter Martin - https://www.blueletterbible.org/audio_video/martin_walter/
Dr. Ben Haden - http://changedlives.org/WHY
Dr. J. Dwight Pentecost - http://www.dts.edu/read/dr-dwight-pentecost-dies-age-99/

As well as the Pastors of Churches that I attended; Pastor Neil Berry and Pastor Gordan Broadbent especially.
 

massorite

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Actually scripture indeed tells us about animal sacrificing and a new Temple in the future. The last 8 chapters of Eze. are all about anew temple that has not yet been built. and according to those scriptures there will be animal sacrifices once again.
Eze 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.
Eze 46:4 And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.
Eze 46:6 And in the day of the new moon it shall be a young bullock without blemish, and six lambs, and a ram: they shall be without blemish.

I don't know why there would be animal sacrifices in the future. But there is no question that scripture does speak of a temple of the future and a Prince (not a king) of the future who will be doing those sacrifices. I looked to see if these chapters might be speaking of a temple and sacrifices of the past but I couldn't find in scripture anything that would lead me to believe anything but the last 8 chapters of Eze. are speaking about a future temple and sacrifices.
 
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NO SUCH VERSE IN SCRIPTURE.

Matthew 28:19-20 (HCSB)
19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”


Ephesians 4:11-13 (HCSB)
11 And He personally gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers,
12 for the training of the saints in the work of ministry, to build up the body of Christ,
13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of God’s Son, ⌊growing⌋ into a mature man with a stature measured by Christ’s fullness.



GET OUT OF THAT CULT THAT IS TEACHING YOU THOSE THINGS, I CARE ABOUT YOU! FLEE NOW! OR leave THIS SITE.

Here are the BIBLE TEACHERS that were Part of my Discipleship Period.

Dr. John MacArthur, Jr. - http://www.gty.org/ sermons dating back to the early 70s - free to listen to.
Dr. Adrian Rogers - http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/love-worth-finding/
Dr. Charles Stanley - http://www.intouch.org/
Dr. Richard Lee - http://www.firstredeemer.org/
Dr. Zola Levitt - http://www.levitt.tv/media/watch/118 - some free - videos
Dr. Ed Young - http://www.winningwalk.org/t-bio.aspx
Dr. Gil Rugh - http://www.ihcc.org/ - free sermons dating back to the late 70s - free
Dr. Chuck Swindoll - http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/insight-for-living/
Dr. Walter Martin - https://www.blueletterbible.org/audio_video/martin_walter/
Dr. Ben Haden - http://changedlives.org/WHY
Dr. J. Dwight Pentecost - http://www.dts.edu/read/dr-dwight-pentecost-dies-age-99/

As well as the Pastors of Churches that I attended; Pastor Neil Berry and Pastor Gordan Broadbent especially.
Everyone has their favorites But it does not change the law. We are made aware of those antichrists who do say we need a man to teach.

Again 1 John 2:27-28 warns of of those who say we do need a corruptible man seen to teaches us. It the MO of the anitchrists .

Satan used it when he deceived Peter. Peter as one of the many antichrists committed blasphemy but was forgiven ,because of the corruptible flesh, the temporal seen, Son of man, Jesus.

Jesus would not stand in the Holy Place as Good Master. ( tintinnabulation of desolation) he gave glory to the unseen Teacher the Holy Spirit of Christ. The anointed teacher the Holy Spirit of God

Yes, disciples as teachers they are included in the commandment that inform us to call no man Teachers Master or Father on earth for one is our teacher in heaven .We can share how we hear as we seek the approval of God through the tools he has given us .And plant the seed and water it, but the law remains the same.

“But you must not be called
‘Teacher.’ You are all equal as brothers and sisters. You have only one Teacher. And don’t call anyone on earth ‘Father.’ You have one Father. He is in heaven. And you should not be called ‘Master.’ You have only one Master, the Messiah. Mathew 16:8-10

These things have I written unto you concernin
g them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him 1 John 2; 26-27

Do we need a corruptible man to teach us or do we obey the warning not to usurp the teaching authority of the Holy Spirit. Who has not left us as orphans but given us the armor of God to defend against the false teachings of men.
 
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Actually scripture indeed tells us about animal sacrificing and a new Temple in the future. The last 8 chapters of Eze. are all about anew temple that has not yet been built. and according to those scriptures there will be animal sacrifices once again.
Eze 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.
Eze 46:4 And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.
Eze 46:6 And in the day of the new moon it shall be a young bullock without blemish, and six lambs, and a ram: they shall be without blemish.

I don't know why there would be animal sacrifices in the future. But there is no question that scripture does speak of a temple of the future and a Prince (not a king) of the future who will be doing those sacrifices. I looked to see if these chapters might be speaking of a temple and sacrifices of the past but I couldn't find in scripture anything that would lead me to believe anything but the last 8 chapters of Eze. are speaking about a future temple and sacrifices.
The abomination of desolation. A literal temple standing in the Holy unseen place of our Holy father is not the reformed order ..It was reformed from the Pagan foundation of Kings. An abomination of desolation.

We are not to walk by sight after the things seen .Again that are a abomination that desolation. Making the unseen glory of our father without effect. .walking by sight after the temporal things seen rather than by faith the eternal not seen . We are the temple of God. In the new heavens and earth there will be no temple ...

Historical value for feasting one eyes lust of the eye) It cannot provide spirit life. Pride yes it will add that kind of value.
Just like walking into a beautiful cemetery ..with white washed tombs.

And I saw
no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. Revelation 21: 22-23


We walk by faith the unsen eternal not after the temporal seen . he has given us tools to rightly divide the parables. Those tools are hid from natural man who does walk after the temporal things seen .. The proper prescription must be used if we desire to look into the dark glass of parables. The parables provide the light needed to see clearer to understand gospel hid

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 

VCO

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Everyone has their favorites But it does not change the law. We are made aware of those antichrists who do say we need a man to teach.

Again 1 John 2:27-28 warns of of those who say we do need a corruptible man seen to teaches us. It the MO of the anitchrists .

Satan used it when he deceived Peter. Peter as one of the many antichrists committed blasphemy but was forgiven ,because of the corruptible flesh, the temporal seen, Son of man, Jesus.

Jesus would not stand in the Holy Place as Good Master. ( tintinnabulation of desolation) he gave glory to the unseen Teacher the Holy Spirit of Christ. The anointed teacher the Holy Spirit of God

Yes, disciples as teachers they are included in the commandment that inform us to call no man Teachers Master or Father on earth for one is our teacher in heaven .We can share how we hear as we seek the approval of God through the tools he has given us .And plant the seed and water it, but the law remains the same.

“But you must not be called ‘Teacher.’ You are all equal as brothers and sisters. You have only one Teacher. And don’t call anyone on earth ‘Father.’ You have one Father. He is in heaven. And you should not be called ‘Master.’ You have only one Master, the Messiah. Mathew 16:8-10

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him 1 John 2; 26-27

Do we need a corruptible man to teach us or do we obey the warning not to usurp the teaching authority of the Holy Spirit. Who has not left us as orphans but given us the armor of God to defend against the false teachings of men.

Then You are not aware of these verses:

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (HCSB)
16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness,
17 so that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

2 Peter 1:20-21 (HCSB)
20 First of all, you should know this: No prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation, {You have 100% Private Interpretation.}
21 because no prophecy ever came by the will of man; instead, men spoke from God as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:29 (HCSB)
29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all do miracles?

1 Corinthians 12:31 (HCSB)
31 But desire the greater gifts. And I will show you an even better way.

2 Timothy 4:1-2 (HCSB)
1 I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus, who is going to judge the
living and the dead, and because of His appearing and His kingdom:
2 Proclaim the message; persist in it whether convenient or not; rebuke, correct,
and encourage with great patience and teaching.

Hebrews 5:12 (HCSB)
12 Although by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the basic principles of God’s revelation again.
You need milk, not solid food.
 

massorite

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The abomination of desolation. A literal temple standing in the Holy unseen place of our Holy father is not the reformed order ..It was reformed from the Pagan foundation of Kings. An abomination of desolation.

We are not to walk by sight after the things seen .Again that are a abomination that desolation. Making the unseen glory of our father without effect. .walking by sight after the temporal things seen rather than by faith the eternal not seen . We are the temple of God. In the new heavens and earth there will be no temple ...

Historical value for feasting one eyes lust of the eye) It cannot provide spirit life. Pride yes it will add that kind of value.
Just like walking into a beautiful cemetery ..with white washed tombs.

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. Revelation 21: 22-23


We walk by faith the unsen eternal not after the temporal seen . he has given us tools to rightly divide the parables. Those tools are hid from natural man who does walk after the temporal things seen .. The proper prescription must be used if we desire to look into the dark glass of parables. The parables provide the light needed to see clearer to understand gospel hid

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
I wouldn't argue against what Rev 21:22-23 says because your right about that. However by the time Rev. 21:22-23 comes around the earth will have been remodeled and the thousand tear reign of Christ will have ended, afe Great White Throne Judgement will take place. I believe the temple spoken of in Eze. will be built during the thousand year reign of Christ.
If you disagree with that then can you come up with any scripture that tells us when this temple will be built. We know by the measurements in scripture that the temple in Eze. has never been built.
 

massorite

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Everyone has their favorites But it does not change the law. We are made aware of those antichrists who do say we need a man to teach.

Again 1 John 2:27-28 warns of of those who say we do need a corruptible man seen to teaches us. It the MO of the anitchrists .

Satan used it when he deceived Peter. Peter as one of the many antichrists committed blasphemy but was forgiven ,because of the corruptible flesh, the temporal seen, Son of man, Jesus.

Jesus would not stand in the Holy Place as Good Master. ( tintinnabulation of desolation) he gave glory to the unseen Teacher the Holy Spirit of Christ. The anointed teacher the Holy Spirit of God

Yes, disciples as teachers they are included in the commandment that inform us to call no man Teachers Master or Father on earth for one is our teacher in heaven .We can share how we hear as we seek the approval of God through the tools he has given us .And plant the seed and water it, but the law remains the same.

“But you must not be called ‘Teacher.’ You are all equal as brothers and sisters. You have only one Teacher. And don’t call anyone on earth ‘Father.’ You have one Father. He is in heaven. And you should not be called ‘Master.’ You have only one Master, the Messiah. Mathew 16:8-10

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him 1 John 2; 26-27

Do we need a corruptible man to teach us or do we obey the warning not to usurp the teaching authority of the Holy Spirit. Who has not left us as orphans but given us the armor of God to defend against the false teachings of men.
What about the fact that some men are appointed by God to teach us like John the Baptist or John the Revelator or for that matter what about the prophets old and all of the Disciples. What about the disciples who are supposed to go out and preach and teach the gospel to others making more disciples of Christ? Isn't that a command of Christ?
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
I think you are giving some bad advice which is contrary to the command of Christ. In Mat. 28:19-20 Christ clearly tells His Disciples and us to go out and teach all nations about the Gospel and we are to TEACH all people how to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. IT is what is known as the Great Commission.
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

It is very clear that Christ commanded His disciples who were corruptable men to go and preach to the world and the only way to preach the Gospel of Christ is to teach folks about both Christ and the Gospel of Christ.

I think you are barking up the wrong tree because you are contadicting the commands of Christ.
 
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What about the fact that some men are appointed by God to teach us like John the Baptist or John the Revelator or for that matter what about the prophets old and all of the Disciples. What about the disciples who are supposed to go out and preach and teach the gospel to others making more disciples of Christ? Isn't that a command of Christ?
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
I think you are giving some bad advice which is contrary to the command of Christ. In Mat. 28:19-20 Christ clearly tells His Disciples and us to go out and teach all nations about the Gospel and we are to TEACH all people how to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. IT is what is known as the Great Commission.
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
It is very clear that Christ commanded His disciples who were corruptable men to go and preach to the world and the only way to preach the Gospel of Christ is to teach folks about both Christ and the Gospel of Christ.
I think you are barking up the wrong tree because you are contadicting the commands of Christ.

What I am suggesting is we teach all nations to seek after the one teacher in heaven baptizing or washing them in the authority of the gospel. (Exposing them to the living abiding word of God)

We can plant the incorruptible seed and water it with the doctrines .But he must cause the new spiritual growth.

Us seeking His approval. According to the commandment to study. We teach them to observe as he gives us the tools to make the work of his labor of love in us effective. Hiding those discernment tools needed to rightly divide the parables from the lost. He gives us his understanding as ears to hear what the Holy Spirit is saying to the new creation.

Sort of Husband Love you wives

Ephesians 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
 
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I wouldn't argue against what Rev 21:22-23 says because your right about that. However by the time Rev. 21:22-23 comes around the earth will have been remodeled and the thousand tear reign of Christ will have ended, afe Great White Throne Judgement will take place. I believe the temple spoken of in Eze. will be built during the thousand year reign of Christ.
If you disagree with that then can you come up with any scripture that tells us when this temple will be built. We know by the measurements in scripture that the temple in Eze. has never been built.
He propmised he would not leave us comfortless His Spirit has come and is residing in his children of faith as Kingdom of priests. .

Christ is reigning .We have the treasure of His power in our bodies of death .The power to believe Him not seen is not of the corruptible. We walk by faith the unseen eternal,

I would think the whole creation was subject to death by suffering as in you will surely die.. All the rudiments as created molecules are rendered useless . Like Jesus said; my flesh profits for zero. It cannot enter the new order .(DNA)

Revelation 21 this is in the new heavens and earth and not rebuilt from the corrupted old . The "thousand years" used 6 times in the parable of Chapter 20 of Revelation to represent a unknown, a matter of faith.

The signified understanding is not once rendered literal thousand years. There is a whole succession of metaphors in that parable to help with hidden poetic language. (hidden manna) . And remember in the first verse of Revelation 1:1 the Holy Spirit made sure we look to the temporal things seen to give us His signified eternal understanding. He sent and signified the prophecy of the book of Revelation giving it his meaning the golden reed of measurement that conceals the glory . No temple in that city .No night.

The word thousand used throughout the bible must be looked into.

Those measurements in Ezekiel are the golden ones spoken of in Revelation .The golden measure of faith, a thousand represents the measure as to whatever he assigns to it . . .not by human standard 1" = 1"

Christians compare the spiritual unseen to the same manner of faith as it is written

2 Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
 
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Then You are not aware of these verses:

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (HCSB)
16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness,
17 so that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

2 Peter 1:20-21 (HCSB)
20 First of all, you should know this: No prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation, {You have 100% Private Interpretation.}
21 because no prophecy ever came by the will of man; instead, men spoke from God as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:29 (HCSB)
29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all do miracles?

1 Corinthians 12:31 (HCSB)
31 But desire the greater gifts. And I will show you an even better way.

2 Timothy 4:1-2 (HCSB)
1 I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus, who is going to judge the
living and the dead, and because of His appearing and His kingdom:
2 Proclaim the message; persist in it whether convenient or not; rebuke, correct,
and encourage with great patience and teaching.

Hebrews 5:12 (HCSB)
12 Although by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the basic principles of God’s revelation again.
You need milk, not solid food.
God's living word that reflects the faith of God is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. without it no man could seek after him who has no form by faith . God word does the teaching as that which can cause growth . We plant the seed he bring spirit life. In that way call no man on earth Teacher Master one is our Teacher Master and Father in heaven

Every human being has a 100 % private interpretation . Its called the witness of men . The witness of God sola scriptura .

Two witnesses as one perfect law. The law and the prophets (Moses the letter, and Elias the unseen power ) is the reforming witness of God. Every person has a opinion or heresy. God's word is law. Everyone is on a learning curve to include the Son of man, Jesus who suffered the same things as us yet without sin.