Yes the written form of the Mosaic laws, including that of the 10 Commandments were the ministry of death because the written ordinances that came along with many of those laws was to be put to death. Including working on the Sabbath, however the Lord made clear that those ordinances of laws no longer apply to us who are in Him.
He also made a point that the moral laws of God that are contained within the 10 commandments still do apply to us, as well did Paul confirm this in Romans 13:9. Both Jesus and Paul made a point that by walking in love, His moral laws will be written in our hearts as a natural way of life and not a set of ordinances. For in love you will not want to do any of the wrong mentioned in the law.
We however are not bound to the 613 Mosaic laws under the new covenant as Acts 15 makes clear. This being said though just because we being in Christ are not under the law, does not give a free reign to sin or that sin no longer applies to us. Repentance and confession still have to be made to be cleansed of our unrighteousness, and to end up being spotless before God.
sir, have you sinned since being saved?
did the holy spirit depart from you? if so, you were forsaken.
did you need to get saved again?
are you sealed then unsealed then sealed then unsealed each time you receive the truth of Christ's work by faith - then sin?
Whatever is not of faith is sin. The law is not of faith.
Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Galatians 3:11-12
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
We are not under law but under grace.
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
How does that happen? By Faith!!
gentiles was not jewish, so were never tied to the temple of stone. jewish were, and this was what paul told them, save a gift not law but throught jesus christ.yet Paul says he followed the Law and the Messiah said to do and teach it..... this is pointless, the heart will choose its way.
gentiles was not jewish, so was never tied to the temple of stone.
act 15,
5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses."
paul was not alive at 70 ad.
no body was alive when the bible went to print. yet you clear drag back 70 ad.
70 adActs 15 was about enter a place of worship, ohh and didnt the letter to the Gentiles say no meat with blood in it? Is that another thing to ignore too?
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."
Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."
Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."
Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."
There is only one way, and that is through the Messiah, Hebrew or grafted in Gentile, there is and always has been only one set of Instructions...
Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."
"Law" is word #H8451 - torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah
Romans 2:15, "Since they show that the requirements of the Law are written in their hearts, their conscience also bears witness, and their thoughts now accuse or else try to excuse them."
626 - apologeomai
apologeomai: to give an account of oneself, hence to defend oneself
Original Word: ἀπολογέομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: apologeomai
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ol-og-eh'-om-ahee)
Short Definition: I give a defense, defend myself
Definition: I give a defense, defend myself (especially in a law court): it can take an object of what is said in defense.
70 ad
all jewish at pentecost. so already were tied to the requirements of law. what do you think paul was telling peter in Galatians wrote about 60 ad.
12 For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party.13 And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.14 But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, "If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?"
if it was the same law , he would have said read your bible because i wrote it in that.
acts 10 send for peter. see the difference.
if it was the same law , he would have said read your bible because i wrote it in that.
acts 10 send for peter. see the difference.
The confusion on this comes by how the Sabbath is now observed in the NT, as the same standards does not apply from the OT. Plus the other thing people need to look at when it comes to study by looking into the scriptures. One will see that the Apostles used Saturday to bring in new converts, and used Sunday as the day they gathered together for worship.
Someone started this thread with a question that wasn't really a question.
Someone started this thread with an axe to grind.
Someone reeeeaaaaaally likes to debate.
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Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."
"Law" is word #H8451 - torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah
Romans 2:15, "Since they show that the requirements of the Law are written in their hearts, their conscience also bears witness, and their thoughts now accuse or else try to excuse them."
626 - apologeomai
apologeomai: to give an account of oneself, hence to defend oneself
Original Word: ἀπολογέομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: apologeomai
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ol-og-eh'-om-ahee)
Short Definition: I give a defense, defend myself
Definition: I give a defense, defend myself (especially in a law court): it can take an object of what is said in defense.
You are confused on what is written on our hearts and how and why we are Gods People. Its not the letter of the law that is written on our hearts. Its love. Love is Gods Law that is written on our hearts. This is what is written on our hearts;
Galatians 5:22-23
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Those are the attributes in our hearts, and inward parts, that cause us to be Gods People. Those are the attributes that establish the law by our faith. Because it is only by faith in the Lord Jesus that these attributes are given and cultivated. It is only by faith and these fruit of the spirit that cause us to be under grace and not law.
Because working at the law does not grow the fruit of the spirit. Working at the law grows more working at the law which points out sin (iniquity).
There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Its not because the Lord took away the condemnation of the law but left the letter. Its because the Lord Jesus fulfills the law in us, by the Holy Spirit. That is our rest. Our rest from our work.
That is why the Lord Jesus Christ is our Sabbath. You think by not being under the law and not "keeping" the sabbath that we despise it. Its not true. We establish it, by faith.
lol what does 70 ad have to do with anything? ????
Messiah said:
Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.
Mattithyah 5:18-19, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected. Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
and what is you point about Acts 10? Acts 10 is about Jews not being discriminatory against gentiles:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate. [SUP]18 [/SUP]They called out, asking if Simon who was known as Peter was staying there.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision
He did not yet understand the meaning how could you or I know the meaning by verse 17?, the holy Spirit did not yet reveal it:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision
[SUP]19 [/SUP]While Peter was still thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Simon, three[SUP][a][/SUP] men are looking for you.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]So get up and go downstairs. Do not hesitate to go with them, for I have sent them.”
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Peter went down and said to the men, “I’m the one you’re looking for. Why have you come?”
[SUP]22 [/SUP]The men replied, “We have come from Cornelius the centurion. He is a righteous and God-fearing man, who is respected by all the Jewish people. A holy angel told him to ask you to come to his house so that he could hear what you have to say.”
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Then Peter invited the men into the house to be his guests.
The next day Peter started out with them, and some of the believers from Joppa went along. [SUP]
24 [/SUP]The following day he arrived in Caesarea. Cornelius was expecting them and had called together his relatives and close friends. [SUP]
25 [/SUP]As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”
[SUP]27 [/SUP]While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?”
"the Spirit said to him, “Simon, three[SUP][a][/SUP] men"
Remember?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision
[SUP]19 [/SUP]While Peter was still thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Simon, three[SUP][a][/SUP] men are looking for you.
19 Now while Kepha was thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him; Behold, three men seek you.
If he did not yet know the meaning how could we?
20 Arise therefore, and go below and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them.
Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."
The Spirit spoke:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]While Peter was still thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Simon, three men are looking for you.
and the same Spirit that spoke there also spoke here:
Leviticus 19:34, "The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh."
the bible is crystal clear that no one is saved by the law. it can not save.
and as someone has already noted, just as we can make idols of anything, people can revise the 4th commandment (leaving out the requirements laid out in exodus and leviticus), placing it above the greatest commandment.