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Wwe're having this as a subject(without the christianity- part) at school nowdays
- Why are people so though and uhm, well, at times aggressive on the internet. It seems people are more willing to talk back in a offensive manner online than in real life. I am sure most of the discussions in here that has almost escalated to fights would not have gotten this heated if the participants actually met and talked. - Bt the internet seems to have no laws and no moral, so everyone feels free to do and say anything.
(my opinion...)
- Why are people so though and uhm, well, at times aggressive on the internet. It seems people are more willing to talk back in a offensive manner online than in real life. I am sure most of the discussions in here that has almost escalated to fights would not have gotten this heated if the participants actually met and talked. - Bt the internet seems to have no laws and no moral, so everyone feels free to do and say anything.
(my opinion...)
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As I was reading this I thought of 1Tim. 6:3-5
If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which comes envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.
1Cor talks about is Christ divided, No!
We are His, who love!
Love is what brings us together as one!
Peace be to you
It means I love you harley-angel and I want you to make it as much as I want to make it!
Why?
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
We are asked to empty the vessel and learn from the spirit(To be Born again)or the wineskin breaks.
We are the wineskin the word is the wine.Many choose not to listen.Wide and broad is the way to destruction.
I would hope that many would make it and pray so.
Love a friend in God
It means I love you harley-angel and I want you to make it as much as I want to make it!
Why?
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
We are asked to empty the vessel and learn from the spirit(To be Born again)or the wineskin breaks.
We are the wineskin the word is the wine.Many choose not to listen.Wide and broad is the way to destruction.
I would hope that many would make it and pray so.
Love a friend in God
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Thanks Imoss. I agree whole heartedly that loving someone also means giving them the full truth. But this can be done in a respectful way. Being sarcastic and prideful isn't going to give someone the Truth even if what you are saying is right. I've seen more people turned away from Christ because His followers chose to cram their thoughts and beliefs down the non-believers throat instead of providing insight, compassion, and good Scriptural evidence. When you see Jesus what will you tell Him? Will you be able to tell him that you loved everyone, stood by your beliefs, and offered your knowledge of the Truth to them, or will He have seen all you did was gloat and pressure and fuel your pride by "winning" arguments?
I don't expect this world to become perfect, and I surely don't think we should be all hippy joyful lovey dovey. That's not the kind of love I am talking about at all. But love is respectful, and kind, and patient, even when we are giving tough love. Love doesn't back down or abandon, but it doesn't push and shove and bully. Love isn't always easy or "nice" but it isn't rude, or arrogant, or dripping with sarcasm.
Before you correct someone, or try to show them the Truth, search your heart. Are you doing it out of love for them? Are you doing it to help save their soul and to bring glory to God? Or are you trying to win an argument, are you trying to show off your knowledge, are you trying to satisfy your own smugness? That's what the Pharisees did, and Jesus always responded with love, even when he was frustrated beyond belief.
Thank you everyone for your replies. It's interesting to see the different views on this.
I don't expect this world to become perfect, and I surely don't think we should be all hippy joyful lovey dovey. That's not the kind of love I am talking about at all. But love is respectful, and kind, and patient, even when we are giving tough love. Love doesn't back down or abandon, but it doesn't push and shove and bully. Love isn't always easy or "nice" but it isn't rude, or arrogant, or dripping with sarcasm.
Before you correct someone, or try to show them the Truth, search your heart. Are you doing it out of love for them? Are you doing it to help save their soul and to bring glory to God? Or are you trying to win an argument, are you trying to show off your knowledge, are you trying to satisfy your own smugness? That's what the Pharisees did, and Jesus always responded with love, even when he was frustrated beyond belief.
Thank you everyone for your replies. It's interesting to see the different views on this.
Pretty self explanatory. St. Paul spoke on it well, saying:
1 Corinthians 1:10 (New International Version)
Divisions in the Church
10I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.
1 Corinthians 1:10-11 (New International Version)
Divisions in the Church
10I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11My brothers, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you.
Acts 4:32-33 (New International Version)
The Believers Share Their Possessions
32All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. 33With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all.
Philippians 2 (New International Version)
Philippians 2
Imitating Christ's Humility
1If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit andpurpose. 3Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. 4Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.
2 Corinthians 13:11 (New International Version)
Final Greetings
11Finally, brothers, good-by. Aim for perfection, listen to my appeal, be of one mind, live in peace. And the God of love and peace will be with you.
How can everyone teach when no one agrees? How can one guide when everyone disagrees on the direction? How can everyone uplift when the "teachings" that people teach are counter to every body else's teachings? The only answer to this (if someone is unwilling to accept the other group's "teachings") is to only discuss generalities, ambiguous morality and a common sense of ethics. Wholesome small talk.
Well, here's the problem, no? Everyone belongs to a different denomination/sect. More than that, good luck finding to people of the same denomination that agree across the board, even on the elementary teachings of Christ. So, now we have a huge mass of people that hold conflicting beliefs and each believes that they are "right". Some people seeing that they might not be right usually only wind up believing only what seems right to them but refuse to say that it is the Truth. In other words, out of a desire to feel united with everyone else, they simply agree to disagree.
But I would say that the majority of the people on here do want people to know the Truth. I've heard countless times how convinced protestants are that the Catholics have it "wrong" despite the fact that they can't agree on anything other than not being Catholic and that Jesus is Lord (but that too seems to be debatable in the minds of some).
So, it's probably not that people want people to believe what they believe (which is subjective) but that people want people to believe The Truth (as they believe it). Everyone believes the Holy Spirit has shown them the right way and that the Spirit has confirmed their belief despite the other bloke saying the same thing that disagrees with you. And so it's "war".
What happens in nearly every single thread is that everyone brings their arsenal of bible verses and try to frame those verses in a way that supports their position. Every individual, like a pope, has the ability to choose what they consider to be a dogma and what is non-essential or simply, "debatable". Once people go through enough cycles of posting their own set of bible verses, they (unaware that they're just canceling each other out) get frustrated and start playing on cliches and taboos. This is when the Scribes/Pharisees comments are thrown like grenades and lines are drawn in the sand.
For me, the lines have been drawn long ago and I don't get to choose my own set of dogmas and or have to justify my belief to others in a way that seems right to them. Orthodox pretty much believe the same thing across the board no matter the country or locality. Of course there are heretics that rise up but the Church spits them out soon enough and we go back to just being "of one mind, heart and faith".
We can still love others despite the fact that people have rejected The Truth or simply can't seem to make it past the buffet table of options that makes Christianity look subjective and pluralistic. Just because someone has heretical beliefs doesn't mean that we don't want them to drop their heresies. They are loved.
However, we can not call hate love. To say that despite un-like minds, conflicting beliefs, harmful and deceitful teachings and practices, we are still united, is like trying to hide the fact that you busted a neighbor's (the world's) vase, didn't even try to put it back together, left it laying in the many shards it broke into and when this neighbor asks you what happened, you say -- "Nothing. It's fine. It's just as it's supposed to be. Come and join us."
Yet, Jesus is not divided and his body is infallible.
Matthew 12:25 (New International Version)
25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.
NIV!
For those of you that are, because of your religion, unable to read the NIV:
Matthew 12:25 (King James Version)
25And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
And just to boot:
1 Corinthians 1:13 (New International Version)
13Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?
Titus 1:9 (New International Version)
9He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.
Acts 2:42 (New International Version)
The Fellowship of the Believers
42They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
1 Corinthians 11:2 (New American Standard Bible)
2Now I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you.
2 Thessalonians 2:15 (New American Standard Bible)
15So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.
1 Corinthians 10:17 (New International Version)
17Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.
God bless.
1 Corinthians 1:10 (New International Version)
Divisions in the Church
10I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.
1 Corinthians 1:10-11 (New International Version)
Divisions in the Church
10I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11My brothers, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you.
Acts 4:32-33 (New International Version)
The Believers Share Their Possessions
32All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. 33With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all.
Philippians 2 (New International Version)
Philippians 2
Imitating Christ's Humility
1If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit andpurpose. 3Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. 4Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.
2 Corinthians 13:11 (New International Version)
Final Greetings
11Finally, brothers, good-by. Aim for perfection, listen to my appeal, be of one mind, live in peace. And the God of love and peace will be with you.
How can everyone teach when no one agrees? How can one guide when everyone disagrees on the direction? How can everyone uplift when the "teachings" that people teach are counter to every body else's teachings? The only answer to this (if someone is unwilling to accept the other group's "teachings") is to only discuss generalities, ambiguous morality and a common sense of ethics. Wholesome small talk.
Well, here's the problem, no? Everyone belongs to a different denomination/sect. More than that, good luck finding to people of the same denomination that agree across the board, even on the elementary teachings of Christ. So, now we have a huge mass of people that hold conflicting beliefs and each believes that they are "right". Some people seeing that they might not be right usually only wind up believing only what seems right to them but refuse to say that it is the Truth. In other words, out of a desire to feel united with everyone else, they simply agree to disagree.
But I would say that the majority of the people on here do want people to know the Truth. I've heard countless times how convinced protestants are that the Catholics have it "wrong" despite the fact that they can't agree on anything other than not being Catholic and that Jesus is Lord (but that too seems to be debatable in the minds of some).
So, it's probably not that people want people to believe what they believe (which is subjective) but that people want people to believe The Truth (as they believe it). Everyone believes the Holy Spirit has shown them the right way and that the Spirit has confirmed their belief despite the other bloke saying the same thing that disagrees with you. And so it's "war".
What happens in nearly every single thread is that everyone brings their arsenal of bible verses and try to frame those verses in a way that supports their position. Every individual, like a pope, has the ability to choose what they consider to be a dogma and what is non-essential or simply, "debatable". Once people go through enough cycles of posting their own set of bible verses, they (unaware that they're just canceling each other out) get frustrated and start playing on cliches and taboos. This is when the Scribes/Pharisees comments are thrown like grenades and lines are drawn in the sand.
For me, the lines have been drawn long ago and I don't get to choose my own set of dogmas and or have to justify my belief to others in a way that seems right to them. Orthodox pretty much believe the same thing across the board no matter the country or locality. Of course there are heretics that rise up but the Church spits them out soon enough and we go back to just being "of one mind, heart and faith".
We can still love others despite the fact that people have rejected The Truth or simply can't seem to make it past the buffet table of options that makes Christianity look subjective and pluralistic. Just because someone has heretical beliefs doesn't mean that we don't want them to drop their heresies. They are loved.
However, we can not call hate love. To say that despite un-like minds, conflicting beliefs, harmful and deceitful teachings and practices, we are still united, is like trying to hide the fact that you busted a neighbor's (the world's) vase, didn't even try to put it back together, left it laying in the many shards it broke into and when this neighbor asks you what happened, you say -- "Nothing. It's fine. It's just as it's supposed to be. Come and join us."
Yet, Jesus is not divided and his body is infallible.
Matthew 12:25 (New International Version)
25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.
NIV!
For those of you that are, because of your religion, unable to read the NIV:
Matthew 12:25 (King James Version)
25And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
And just to boot:
1 Corinthians 1:13 (New International Version)
13Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?
Titus 1:9 (New International Version)
9He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.
Acts 2:42 (New International Version)
The Fellowship of the Believers
42They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
1 Corinthians 11:2 (New American Standard Bible)
2Now I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you.
2 Thessalonians 2:15 (New American Standard Bible)
15So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.
1 Corinthians 10:17 (New International Version)
17Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.
God bless.
H
Thank you so much for your post. You make a lot of good points, and your scripture choices are very relevant. Religion is very personal, and what we believe is rarely changed once we decide it's what we believe in. Nobody wants to be wrong, especially when it comes to the salvation of our eternal souls. I guess this is where we give up our arguments and persuasiveness to the Holy Spirit. We can only say so much to a person before we encounter the walls they've put up around their beliefs. I suppose once we've reached that wall, we've done our duty, and we should let the Holy Spirit work at breaking down the walls around what is wrong.
Again, thanks for your post.
Again, thanks for your post.
We are to be one in Christ. I guess the first thing people forget is to put God first. How many people do you know that actually put God first? Most put themselves first. They are their own god. That's where the problems come in. There is to be one church under God. As far as all the stuff about babies being baptized I've seen a lot of babies, but I've never seen a baby who could say Jesus came from heaven where he was a God, changed himself into a man. died on a cross for me, came back to life, I confess my sins and I want Jesus to be my God so I wash my old self in much water. There are just things that are written in the bible that we must follow. People are mocking and making fun of the gifts, the book of Acts. We must keep praying. I don't like you getting attacked. I don't like when I get attacked. But the bible says we will be attacked. Jesus was attacked all the time. We are told to count it all joy. And we are told to pray for our enemies. God bless you much. We have to keep being love.
H
Thank you loveschild. I guess when we are attacked and meet opposition to what we know is true, and what the Holy Spirit whispers to our hearts, it gives us a chance to stand firm in our beliefs. Sometimes simply standing up for what you believe in while being attacked, and not retaliating has more of an impact than trying to butt heads with the person attacking you. Thank you for your insight.
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