Where is America in Bible Prophecy?
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the woman sits on many waters, which means her influence is felt over many nations, peoples and languages, This is where her influence and power is felt. Isreal can not make this claim, especially in 70 ad.
This was true in soloman's day. She was in the position and if she hadn't disobeyed she'd still be there. Just wasn't God's plan
1 Kings 4:21
New King James Version (NKJV)
21 So Solomon reigned over all kingdoms from the River[a] to the land of the Philistines, as far as the border of Egypt. They brought tribute and served Solomon all the days of his life.
the problem is you thing every time you read the word earth, it's referring the whole earth, when actually it could mean land, meaning Palestine..Let's drop it, you won't see!!!
You basically got everything right but the time frame, Revelations wasn't written to us, but for us. You don't SEE it, so I'm done, GN
This was true in soloman's day. She was in the position and if she hadn't disobeyed she'd still be there. Just wasn't God's plan
1 Kings 4:21
New King James Version (NKJV)
21 So Solomon reigned over all kingdoms from the River[a] to the land of the Philistines, as far as the border of Egypt. They brought tribute and served Solomon all the days of his life.
the problem is you thing every time you read the word earth, it's referring the whole earth, when actually it could mean land, meaning Palestine..Let's drop it, you won't see!!!
You basically got everything right but the time frame, Revelations wasn't written to us, but for us. You don't SEE it, so I'm done, GN
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There are two woman in Israel, the harlot and the true church. The harlot Jerusalem/Israel paid other nations to have sex with her, that's biblical and that's what makes her the great harlot.. the other woman, the true church, were the believing Jews, Mary is one of them. Mary of the true Israel gave birth to Christ, not the Harlot. One is of the bond woman, the other is the free woman...ok, now I'm done.
This makes no sense whatsoever.
The OT states emphatically, Isreal played the harlot. No one ever played the harlot with Isreal.
The church can not be the second woman.
1. She did not give birth to Christ, Christ gave birth to her.
2. She is the offspring of the woman, who is Isreal.
if there are two womans, and the church is one, Who is the churches offspring? did it give bvirth to another church? this makes no sense. If the woman is Isreal. Why did God say he would protect her to the end? either way, your theory has many problems.
Ok, I am only gonna touch on this part because I am too lazy to talk about the rest right now.
The woman is a city...America is a country... that right there is a good idea America is not Babylon.
Rome is a city. Ancient Rome was also one of the largest empires in the ancient world. Rome also dominated most of Europe. Asia Minor and North Africa.
Rome was also very advanced for its time in architecture and technology. They had a VERY strong military as well.
The Seven Hills of Rome east of the river Tiber form the geographical heart of Rome, within the walls of the ancient city.
The seven hills are:
Aventine Hill
Caelian Hill
Capitoline Hill
Esquiline Hill
Palatine Hill
Quirinal Hill
Viminal Hill
This is all talking about ancient Rome. Could it be that John was referring to Rome??????
Looks to me like this ancient city had quite alot of influence. Still does as a matter of fact.
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1. Revelation is not talking about solomans time.
2. You keep saying I refuse to see it. I can say the same for you. Instead of attacking me, by saying I am blind, why don;t you open your eyes and listen to what I am saying, then we can agree to disagree if you still can't see it. I am showing you WHY I can;t see it your way, By not doing so, you are being a hypocrite and doing the very thing you claim I am doing.
3. Revelation was written for us, So we can see the things Christ spoke of in matt 24, and know the end is near. and be blessed by knowing and seeing these things.
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Ok, I am only gonna touch on this part because I am too lazy to talk about the rest right now.
The woman is a city...America is a country... that right there is a good idea America is not Babylon.
Rome is a city. Ancient Rome was also one of the largest empires in the ancient world. Rome also dominated most of Europe. Asia Minor and North Africa.
Rome was also very advanced for its time in architecture and technology. They had a VERY strong military as well.
The Seven Hills of Rome east of the river Tiber form the geographical heart of Rome, within the walls of the ancient city.
The seven hills are:
Aventine Hill
Caelian Hill
Capitoline Hill
Esquiline Hill
Palatine Hill
Quirinal Hill
Viminal Hill
This is all talking about ancient Rome. Could it be that John was referring to Rome??????
Looks to me like this ancient city had quite alot of influence. Still does as a matter of fact.
You just proved it can't be america, and amen.
could be rome, but
1. Rome destroys babylon because she is a threat to him. Saying rome destroys its own city does not make sense.
2. Isreal was not rich and influential, nor did she spread her wealth to all nations.
3. 7 hills are in rome, The vatican also is in rome, The woman is said to influence rome, and other kings. The vatican has since its inception been doing this very thing, It still does it today.
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what version is this? just curious
9 “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
There is only 1 Church, OT saints and NT saints, they both make up the church. God's people have always been the Church. One cultivated olive tree. OT saints looked forward to Christ, NT saints look back to Christ. Abraham was saved by faith, we today are saved by faith...There is an apostate Israel and there is true Israel.
And here we find the fulfilment of Jeremiah 31:33 in the book of Hebrews.
Hebrews 8:6-10 “But now has he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:”
The Bible tells us that Christ came as the Mediator of a new covenant
Romans 9:6-8 “Not as though the word of God has taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall your seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
Paul further explains that the children of the flesh (Jews by birth) are NOT the children of God but the children of the promise are. So who are the children of the promise now? Galatians 3:28-29 explains this in a manner that cannot possibly be misunderstood. See also Romans 2:28-29.
Galatians 3:28-29 “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you be Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
OT saints and NT Saint are all ONE Church. True Israel, True Children of God.
16The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
Now check this out...
The Great Fire of Rome (Latin: Magnum Incendium Romae) was an urban fire that occurred beginning 19 July AD 64.[1]
According to Tacitus, the fire spread quickly and burned for six days.[2]:XV.40 Only four of the fourteen districts of Rome escaped the fire; three districts were completely destroyed and the other seven suffered serious damage.
Now check this out...
The Great Fire of Rome (Latin: Magnum Incendium Romae) was an urban fire that occurred beginning 19 July AD 64.[1]
According to Tacitus, the fire spread quickly and burned for six days.[2]:XV.40 Only four of the fourteen districts of Rome escaped the fire; three districts were completely destroyed and the other seven suffered serious damage.
That is the anti-christ riding religion to power and then leaving her high and dry when he gets power
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Sounds great, Jerusalem was destroyed by fire. does this prove she was the harlot? does it prove another city will not be destroyed by fire?
I am not tryng to be mean, I just see a few points which show Isreal might be the harlot. But there are far to many things about her which can not be attributed to Isreal.
Yet that does prove the the 7 hills are literal and not kings.
If it was king then it would say "the seven heads are seven kings.....there are also seven kings... unless kings in verse 10 was symbolic for something else... then it just gets confusing.
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then look at this
16 And the ten horns which you saw on[d] the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”
taken with this.
12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.”
How can this be attributed to 70 AD. who are the ten kings which burned jerusalem to the ground?
Sorry, I didnt mean to say that Israel is the harlot. I just quoted you to use your points as exampls.
I believe Rome was the harlot.
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yes, plus it says their will be an 8th king. but not 8 mountains.And now you see why I hate to symbolis things of prophesy unless specifically called for. Like the crowns are symbolic for kings. But it is infered in the passage to be symbolic, the kings are literal
I believe the anti-christ will ride a Jewish false prophet to power. The anti-christ come out of the ROMAN EMPIRE not out of Rome so the Anti-Christ could come from America because we are the extension of the Roman EMPIRE and the anti-christ will sit in the TEMPLE .. So who is going to get that done for him? A Jewish Religious Leader.. The False Prophet
The Holy Spirit Just gave that to me
The Holy Spirit Just gave that to me