... since what I have "shown [you] from scripture" is in "opposition" to your stated "truth", then clearly it is your stated "truth" which is in opposition to Scripture.READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Who Justifieth the Ungodly
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... since what I have "shown [you] from scripture" is in "opposition" to your stated "truth", then clearly it is your stated "truth" which is in opposition to Scripture.READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Let's just take a look at Romans 3:24 and Galatians 3:13 without ripping the verses from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed them:
Romans 3:
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
in context, Romans 3:24 tells us the gift of God's grace is bestowed upon those who believe ... those who do not suppress the truth in unrighteousness ... when God reveals His truth to them.
Those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness when God reveals truth to them do not benefit from God's grace ... they receive the consequence of their unbelief (Rom 1:18-32).
Galatians 3:
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
in context, Galatians 3:13 tells us that those who seek to be justified through keeping the law will never be justified because no man is justified by the law in the sight of God.
God never intended the law to be a means of justification.
God's intention was that the law reveal mankind's need for the Redeemer and that the promise is received through faith in the Redeemer.
Continue reading in Galatians 3 and in vs 24 we read Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
the purpose of the law was to bring mankind to the Lord Jesus Christ because it is through faith in Him ... our Redeemer ... that mankind is justified.
totally incorrect ... a lie from the pit ...
... newsflash for ya, brightfame52 ... God reveals His truth and mankind either believes God's truth or suppresses God's truth in unrighteousness.
If a person believes when God reveals His truth to him or her, he or she receives the blessing God promises:
Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
If a person suppresses the truth in unrighteousness when God reveals His truth to him or her, he or she receives the consequence of his or her decision to reject God's truth:
Romans 1:18-19 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [Greek katechō = suppress, restrain] the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
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Romans 3:
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
in context, Romans 3:24 tells us the gift of God's grace is bestowed upon those who believe ... those who do not suppress the truth in unrighteousness ... when God reveals His truth to them.
Those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness when God reveals truth to them do not benefit from God's grace ... they receive the consequence of their unbelief (Rom 1:18-32).
Galatians 3:
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
in context, Galatians 3:13 tells us that those who seek to be justified through keeping the law will never be justified because no man is justified by the law in the sight of God.
God never intended the law to be a means of justification.
God's intention was that the law reveal mankind's need for the Redeemer and that the promise is received through faith in the Redeemer.
Continue reading in Galatians 3 and in vs 24 we read Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
the purpose of the law was to bring mankind to the Lord Jesus Christ because it is through faith in Him ... our Redeemer ... that mankind is justified.
totally incorrect ... a lie from the pit ...
... newsflash for ya, brightfame52 ... God reveals His truth and mankind either believes God's truth or suppresses God's truth in unrighteousness.If a person believes when God reveals His truth to him or her, he or she receives the blessing God promises:
Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
If a person suppresses the truth in unrighteousness when God reveals His truth to him or her, he or she receives the consequence of his or her decision to reject God's truth:
Romans 1:18-19 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [Greek katechō = suppress, restrain] the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
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Know this one thing about understanding Rom 4:5
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
It does teach that those Christ died for are in a state of Justification even while naturally in a state of ungodliness! And though they are ungodly in themselves, God for Christ sake counts them righteous! 25
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
It does teach that those Christ died for are in a state of Justification even while naturally in a state of ungodliness! And though they are ungodly in themselves, God for Christ sake counts them righteous! 25
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... since what I have "shown [you] from scripture" is in "opposition" to your stated "truth", then clearly it is your stated "truth" which is in opposition to Scripture.
heh ... not only can I believe ... I do believe. However I choose to believe Scripture.
I showed you from Scripture that your premise is faulty. Since your premise is faulty, all your lines of reasoning are without merit.
The one who "cannot [does not] believe !" is the one who rejects the truth of Scripture and holds to his faulty dogma ...
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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nope ... the whole of Romans 4 clearly teaches that God justifies a person when he or she believes. You would understand this truth if you would quit ripping verses from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed them in your futile attempt to align Scripture to your dogma.
Romans 4 verse 5 teaches that faith is not works.
Romans 4 verse 5 also teaches that it is not faith that justifies a person ... it is the Object of faith Who justifies the person who believes in Him Who justifies the ungodly.
read the verse from your favorite version:
But to the one who does not work [that is, the one who does not try to earn his salvation by doing good], but believes [and completely trusts] in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited to him as righteousness [right standing with God].
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Romans 4 verse 5 teaches that faith is not works.
Romans 4 verse 5 also teaches that it is not faith that justifies a person ... it is the Object of faith Who justifies the person who believes in Him Who justifies the ungodly.
read the verse from your favorite version:
But to the one who does not work [that is, the one who does not try to earn his salvation by doing good], but believes [and completely trusts] in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited to him as righteousness [right standing with God].
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... of course you cannot provide Scriptural support for your claims that what was submitted is "unbelief and opposition" to Scripture ...that you equate your "Truth" to what is written in Scripture is due to your failure to comprehend what is written in Scripture.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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Therefore God Justifies unbelievers !
I know this will draw the opposition of those who oppose the Gospel of Gods Grace, but its true and Rom 4:5 confirms it, that God Justifieth the Ungodly while being so , and so He Justifieth them while unbelievers, for Believers are never called ungodly ! This means that sinners Christ died for are made righteous prior to their believing or personal faith in Christ !
I know this will draw the opposition of those who oppose the Gospel of Gods Grace, but its true and Rom 4:5 confirms it, that God Justifieth the Ungodly while being so , and so He Justifieth them while unbelievers, for Believers are never called ungodly ! This means that sinners Christ died for are made righteous prior to their believing or personal faith in Christ !
Just wondering where the new member @Brightfame63 (a relative?) stands on all this?
Romans 5:20 (Grace did much more abound?)
I agree that the grace of God covers, abounds and justifies a person who has accepted Christ from being accountable for the works of the flesh but this statement, "This means that sinners Christ died for are made righteous prior to their believing or personal faith in Christ !" says that the grace of God also applies to a person not being accountable for the works of the flesh abounds in a non-Christian's life, meaining, even before that person accepts Christ Jesus as their Lord and Savior. No, true. This statemen, "" only applies until the age of accountability because
" Jesus said, John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”
Paul said, Hebrews 10:26-27 KJV For if we sin "wilfully" after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth "no more sacrifice",(grace of salvation), for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Jesus made it clear that a choice had to be made after they have been told about Him, and Paul said, that if we "willfully", sin, meaning with intent and purpose focus on a life of "sin" . I would like to expound, just a bit. The question has been raised, but what about the people who never heard and had the opportunity to accept Christ? Many people have been taught that "immortality" is put on by every believer, alive or dead, at Christ's return. Not so. There are only two ways to put on immortality, through the grave, and the other, at the end of the thousand year reign. That being said, those who never heard or had the opportunity to accept Christ will have the opportunity to put on immortality at the end of the thousand year reign. But, but scripture tells us that many will choose to follow Satan once he is released and lose out with God despite having lived in peace for those additional thousand year reign. In that respect, yes. In addition to covering those before the age of accountability, God grace does cover the "unjust".
But, I want to make a distinction that may help to bring about a spiritual growth for a closer walk with God, through Christ Jesus and through the power of the Holy Spirit, for those who can receive it.
Many Christians fail to understand the "umbrella of grace" that they are covered by after they accept Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior. The scriptures says that Christ is the vine, we are the branch, but many don't understand that it is the Holy Spirit that produces the fruit. No, what do they do? They try to produce this fruit through "willful" obedience of the flesh, compliance of tradition, teaching for doctrine, the traditions of men, and striving to live a Christian example of holiness through "works", such as church attendance, tithing, etc.
A true Christian displays the fruit that the Spirit, actions, desires, Godly Character attributes that the Holy Spirit produces in them to Glorify God. These actions are not outward appearance, but rather actions that result from the grooming of the Holy Spirit and the world hates Christians without a cause because it is reminder that they need God.
But, there are Christians who say they are "Sinners Saved by Grace".
No, We can not associate ourselves with the flesh and also be heavenly minded to claim that we have been sanctified and holy through Christ Jesus at the same time. The reality is, a true Christian is heavenly minded, with the will to do God's good Pleasure, Phillipians 2:12-13, "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling for it is ""God"" who "causes us" to both to "Will" meaning "desire" and do , "obey" His good pleasure.
I agree that the grace of God covers, abounds and justifies a person who has accepted Christ from being accountable for the works of the flesh but this statement, "This means that sinners Christ died for are made righteous prior to their believing or personal faith in Christ !" says that the grace of God also applies to a person not being accountable for the works of the flesh abounds in a non-Christian's life, meaining, even before that person accepts Christ Jesus as their Lord and Savior. No, true. This statemen, "" only applies until the age of accountability because
" Jesus said, John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”
Paul said, Hebrews 10:26-27 KJV For if we sin "wilfully" after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth "no more sacrifice",(grace of salvation), for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Jesus made it clear that a choice had to be made after they have been told about Him, and Paul said, that if we "willfully", sin, meaning with intent and purpose focus on a life of "sin" . I would like to expound, just a bit. The question has been raised, but what about the people who never heard and had the opportunity to accept Christ? Many people have been taught that "immortality" is put on by every believer, alive or dead, at Christ's return. Not so. There are only two ways to put on immortality, through the grave, and the other, at the end of the thousand year reign. That being said, those who never heard or had the opportunity to accept Christ will have the opportunity to put on immortality at the end of the thousand year reign. But, but scripture tells us that many will choose to follow Satan once he is released and lose out with God despite having lived in peace for those additional thousand year reign. In that respect, yes. In addition to covering those before the age of accountability, God grace does cover the "unjust".
But, I want to make a distinction that may help to bring about a spiritual growth for a closer walk with God, through Christ Jesus and through the power of the Holy Spirit, for those who can receive it.
Many Christians fail to understand the "umbrella of grace" that they are covered by after they accept Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior. The scriptures says that Christ is the vine, we are the branch, but many don't understand that it is the Holy Spirit that produces the fruit. No, what do they do? They try to produce this fruit through "willful" obedience of the flesh, compliance of tradition, teaching for doctrine, the traditions of men, and striving to live a Christian example of holiness through "works", such as church attendance, tithing, etc.
A true Christian displays the fruit that the Spirit, actions, desires, Godly Character attributes that the Holy Spirit produces in them to Glorify God. These actions are not outward appearance, but rather actions that result from the grooming of the Holy Spirit and the world hates Christians without a cause because it is reminder that they need God.
But, there are Christians who say they are "Sinners Saved by Grace".
No, We can not associate ourselves with the flesh and also be heavenly minded to claim that we have been sanctified and holy through Christ Jesus at the same time. The reality is, a true Christian is heavenly minded, with the will to do God's good Pleasure, Phillipians 2:12-13, "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling for it is ""God"" who "causes us" to both to "Will" meaning "desire" and do , "obey" His good pleasure.
Not a relative. But here is where I stand on this issue.
Romans 5:20 (Grace did much more abound?)
I agree that the grace of God covers, abounds and justifies a person who has accepted Christ from being accountable for the works of the flesh but this statement, "This means that sinners Christ died for are made righteous prior to their believing or personal faith in Christ !" says that the grace of God also applies to a person not being accountable for the works of the flesh abounds in a non-Christian's life, meaining, even before that person accepts Christ Jesus as their Lord and Savior. No, true. This statemen, "" only applies until the age of accountability because
" Jesus said, John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”
Paul said, Hebrews 10:26-27 KJV For if we sin "wilfully" after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth "no more sacrifice",(grace of salvation), for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Jesus made it clear that a choice had to be made after they have been told about Him, and Paul said, that if we "willfully", sin, meaning with intent and purpose focus on a life of "sin" . I would like to expound, just a bit. The question has been raised, but what about the people who never heard and had the opportunity to accept Christ? Many people have been taught that "immortality" is put on by every believer, alive or dead, at Christ's return. Not so. There are only two ways to put on immortality, through the grave, and the other, at the end of the thousand year reign. That being said, those who never heard or had the opportunity to accept Christ will have the opportunity to put on immortality at the end of the thousand year reign. But, but scripture tells us that many will choose to follow Satan once he is released and lose out with God despite having lived in peace for those additional thousand year reign. In that respect, yes. In addition to covering those before the age of accountability, God grace does cover the "unjust".
But, I want to make a distinction that may help to bring about a spiritual growth for a closer walk with God, through Christ Jesus and through the power of the Holy Spirit, for those who can receive it.
Many Christians fail to understand the "umbrella of grace" that they are covered by after they accept Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior. The scriptures says that Christ is the vine, we are the branch, but many don't understand that it is the Holy Spirit that produces the fruit. No, what do they do? They try to produce this fruit through "willful" obedience of the flesh, compliance of tradition, teaching for doctrine, the traditions of men, and striving to live a Christian example of holiness through "works", such as church attendance, tithing, etc.
A true Christian displays the fruit that the Spirit, actions, desires, Godly Character attributes that the Holy Spirit produces in them to Glorify God. These actions are not outward appearance, but rather actions that result from the grooming of the Holy Spirit and the world hates Christians without a cause because it is reminder that they need God.
But, there are Christians who say they are "Sinners Saved by Grace".
No, We can not associate ourselves with the flesh and also be heavenly minded to claim that we have been sanctified and holy through Christ Jesus at the same time. The reality is, a true Christian is heavenly minded, with the will to do God's good Pleasure, Phillipians 2:12-13, "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling for it is ""God"" who "causes us" to both to "Will" meaning "desire" and do , "obey" His good pleasure.
Romans 5:20 (Grace did much more abound?)
I agree that the grace of God covers, abounds and justifies a person who has accepted Christ from being accountable for the works of the flesh but this statement, "This means that sinners Christ died for are made righteous prior to their believing or personal faith in Christ !" says that the grace of God also applies to a person not being accountable for the works of the flesh abounds in a non-Christian's life, meaining, even before that person accepts Christ Jesus as their Lord and Savior. No, true. This statemen, "" only applies until the age of accountability because
" Jesus said, John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”
Paul said, Hebrews 10:26-27 KJV For if we sin "wilfully" after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth "no more sacrifice",(grace of salvation), for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Jesus made it clear that a choice had to be made after they have been told about Him, and Paul said, that if we "willfully", sin, meaning with intent and purpose focus on a life of "sin" . I would like to expound, just a bit. The question has been raised, but what about the people who never heard and had the opportunity to accept Christ? Many people have been taught that "immortality" is put on by every believer, alive or dead, at Christ's return. Not so. There are only two ways to put on immortality, through the grave, and the other, at the end of the thousand year reign. That being said, those who never heard or had the opportunity to accept Christ will have the opportunity to put on immortality at the end of the thousand year reign. But, but scripture tells us that many will choose to follow Satan once he is released and lose out with God despite having lived in peace for those additional thousand year reign. In that respect, yes. In addition to covering those before the age of accountability, God grace does cover the "unjust".
But, I want to make a distinction that may help to bring about a spiritual growth for a closer walk with God, through Christ Jesus and through the power of the Holy Spirit, for those who can receive it.
Many Christians fail to understand the "umbrella of grace" that they are covered by after they accept Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior. The scriptures says that Christ is the vine, we are the branch, but many don't understand that it is the Holy Spirit that produces the fruit. No, what do they do? They try to produce this fruit through "willful" obedience of the flesh, compliance of tradition, teaching for doctrine, the traditions of men, and striving to live a Christian example of holiness through "works", such as church attendance, tithing, etc.
A true Christian displays the fruit that the Spirit, actions, desires, Godly Character attributes that the Holy Spirit produces in them to Glorify God. These actions are not outward appearance, but rather actions that result from the grooming of the Holy Spirit and the world hates Christians without a cause because it is reminder that they need God.
But, there are Christians who say they are "Sinners Saved by Grace".
No, We can not associate ourselves with the flesh and also be heavenly minded to claim that we have been sanctified and holy through Christ Jesus at the same time. The reality is, a true Christian is heavenly minded, with the will to do God's good Pleasure, Phillipians 2:12-13, "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling for it is ""God"" who "causes us" to both to "Will" meaning "desire" and do , "obey" His good pleasure.
@Brightfame63
Hi, I believe you meant to say Not true. However it is True, how can a person Christ died for their sis, meaning all their evil works of the flesh, how can they still be held accountable for them ? Christ was made accountable for them, that's why He died for them 1 Cor 15:3
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
So are we looking at double jeopardy here ? Is God holding Christ accountable for the sins of those He died for and the person for whom He died accountable as well ?
Hi, I believe you meant to say Not true. However it is True, how can a person Christ died for their sis, meaning all their evil works of the flesh, how can they still be held accountable for them ? Christ was made accountable for them, that's why He died for them 1 Cor 15:3
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
So are we looking at double jeopardy here ? Is God holding Christ accountable for the sins of those He died for and the person for whom He died accountable as well ?
"how can a person Christ died for their sis, meaning all their evil works of the flesh, how can they still be held accountable for them ? Christ was made accountable for them, that's why He died for them 1 Cor 15:3
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
So are we looking at double jeopardy here ? Is God holding Christ accountable for the sins of those He died for and the person for whom He died accountable as well ?"
No, not double jeopardy. At one time there was a "sin" sacrifice that God required for mercy and salvation. Christ Jesus became the world's "atonement" for sins by becoming that sin sacrifice. People must first accept Christ's new covenant of grace of forgiveness and turn from their wicked ways, 2 Chronicles 7:14. Grace of Forgiveness of sins requires "repentance" turning away from a mindful life of sin, before they can benefit from from his offer of salvation. Psalms 103: 1-4.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
So are we looking at double jeopardy here ? Is God holding Christ accountable for the sins of those He died for and the person for whom He died accountable as well ?"
No, not double jeopardy. At one time there was a "sin" sacrifice that God required for mercy and salvation. Christ Jesus became the world's "atonement" for sins by becoming that sin sacrifice. People must first accept Christ's new covenant of grace of forgiveness and turn from their wicked ways, 2 Chronicles 7:14. Grace of Forgiveness of sins requires "repentance" turning away from a mindful life of sin, before they can benefit from from his offer of salvation. Psalms 103: 1-4.
First of all, Jesus, the person you say his grace covers the sins of all men, even those who do not serve Him, in His own words, is the one saying this in Matt. 7: 21-24 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." These very same "workers of iniquity" that you say Christ Jesus' grace of forgiveness covers their sins, He say He will tell to depart from Him and that He never knew them.
Secondly, John 3:16, For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever "believeth" on Him should not perish but have ever lasting life. Christ Jesus died on a cross, paid the price for sin that could only be paid in full by Him, because of a love for mankind, in order give them a way of escape from eternal damnation. Going to eternal damnation is not a punishment for not accepting Christ Jesus. It is a consequence because of it.
Secondly, John 3:16, For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever "believeth" on Him should not perish but have ever lasting life. Christ Jesus died on a cross, paid the price for sin that could only be paid in full by Him, because of a love for mankind, in order give them a way of escape from eternal damnation. Going to eternal damnation is not a punishment for not accepting Christ Jesus. It is a consequence because of it.
The Free Gift of Justification!
Justification is given to some, Gods Elect as a Free Gift. Rom 5:16
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
All the Elect whom Christ died for, Received as a Free Gift Justification from all there offences! 25
Justification is given to some, Gods Elect as a Free Gift. Rom 5:16
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
All the Elect whom Christ died for, Received as a Free Gift Justification from all there offences! 25
2 Tim. 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Tim 4: 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
I have shown myself, "approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, and have "rightly divided the word of truth."
You have not because you can not.
Romans 6:1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. "
But, you do not "rightly divide" the word of truth because the truth is a hinderance and stumbling to your own desires.
Who do I speak of in my posts? Is it if myself trying to convince people to follow me or is it about Christ and trying to convince people that they are expected of God and Christ Jesus to depart from evil and do good through the grace of Christ Jesus and power of the Holy Spirit?
The scripture speaks of you when it says, "they shall turn away their ears from the truth," because you ignore it and do not offer any scripture that proves that the scriptures have been misinterpreted but rather use it to justify not having to repent from ungodliness nor accept Christ as Lord and Savior and be covered by His grace of forgiveness. " But, you have already chosen. This final reply to this post is not written for your benefit. This post is for the benefit of those who have not.
2 Tim 4: 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
I have shown myself, "approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, and have "rightly divided the word of truth."
You have not because you can not.
Romans 6:1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. "
But, you do not "rightly divide" the word of truth because the truth is a hinderance and stumbling to your own desires.
Who do I speak of in my posts? Is it if myself trying to convince people to follow me or is it about Christ and trying to convince people that they are expected of God and Christ Jesus to depart from evil and do good through the grace of Christ Jesus and power of the Holy Spirit?
The scripture speaks of you when it says, "they shall turn away their ears from the truth," because you ignore it and do not offer any scripture that proves that the scriptures have been misinterpreted but rather use it to justify not having to repent from ungodliness nor accept Christ as Lord and Savior and be covered by His grace of forgiveness. " But, you have already chosen. This final reply to this post is not written for your benefit. This post is for the benefit of those who have not.
Romans 4:5 does not confirm your claims that "God Justifieth the Ungodly while being so" or that "He Justifieth them while unbelievers".
Romans 4:
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth [verb, present tense] on him that justifieth [verb, present tense] the ungodly, his faith is counted [verb, present tense] for righteousness.
vs 3 – when Abraham believed God, God imputed righteousness to Abraham.
vs 4 – when a person works for something, the reward [Greek misthós = recompense; compensation] is considered payment of debt/wages ... the compensation is not considered a gift of grace.
vs 5 – the one who believes ... his or her faith is imputed for righteousness ... the person is justified and is no longer considered ungodly.
The purpose of Rom 4:3-5 is to make clear that faith is not works. The purpose is not as you claim.
Something else you need to consider, brightfame52, is that the verbs in Romans 4:5 (bolded above) are all present tense ... which means the actions involved are taking place at the very moment the action is made. At the very moment the person believes, God imputes righteousness, and the person is no longer ungodly.
Romans 4:5 states that the person believes on Him [God] who justifies the ungodly. The person knows he/she is ungodly and yet believes in the God Who justifies and his or her faith (i.e. not "works") is counted for righteousness ... right at the time a person believes, God imputes righteousness to him or her ... right when the person believes ... not before, not after, but when.
If a person does not believe, then righteousness is not imputed to him or her.
Mankind is wholly undeserving of God's mercy, grace, lovingkindness. We all know this. And yet, God, in His great mercy, grace, lovingkindness, justifies that undeserving person when he/she believes on Him [God]who justifies the ungodly.
When God imputes righteousness, that person is justified and is no longer considered ungodly.
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Romans 4:
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth [verb, present tense] on him that justifieth [verb, present tense] the ungodly, his faith is counted [verb, present tense] for righteousness.
vs 3 – when Abraham believed God, God imputed righteousness to Abraham.
vs 4 – when a person works for something, the reward [Greek misthós = recompense; compensation] is considered payment of debt/wages ... the compensation is not considered a gift of grace.
vs 5 – the one who believes ... his or her faith is imputed for righteousness ... the person is justified and is no longer considered ungodly.
The purpose of Rom 4:3-5 is to make clear that faith is not works. The purpose is not as you claim.
Something else you need to consider, brightfame52, is that the verbs in Romans 4:5 (bolded above) are all present tense ... which means the actions involved are taking place at the very moment the action is made. At the very moment the person believes, God imputes righteousness, and the person is no longer ungodly.
Romans 4:5 states that the person believes on Him [God] who justifies the ungodly. The person knows he/she is ungodly and yet believes in the God Who justifies and his or her faith (i.e. not "works") is counted for righteousness ... right at the time a person believes, God imputes righteousness to him or her ... right when the person believes ... not before, not after, but when.
If a person does not believe, then righteousness is not imputed to him or her.
Mankind is wholly undeserving of God's mercy, grace, lovingkindness. We all know this. And yet, God, in His great mercy, grace, lovingkindness, justifies that undeserving person when he/she believes on Him [God]who justifies the ungodly.
When God imputes righteousness, that person is justified and is no longer considered ungodly.
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the Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind ... all descendants of Adam:
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Scripture tells us when the "Free Gift Justification" is imputed:
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God]was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
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John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Scripture tells us when the "Free Gift Justification" is imputed:
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God]was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
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