Why ?????

[Goldwing]

Why did the Father write a book before anything was created, and then seal it with seven seals?

Latter at some point in time a great convocation was held in heaven, (Rev.4&5) and a search of the universe was conducted in which Jesus was the only one found worthy to open its seals. What was Jesus found worthy to do that no one else was worth to do?

 

[Magenta]

What was Jesus found worthy to do that no one else was worth to do?

Jesus was worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals , because Jesus had
achieved victory over sin and death, procuring and mediating our salvation.

 

[JohnDB]

Why did the Father write a book before anything was created, and then seal it with seven seals?

Latter at some point in time a great convocation was held in heaven, (Rev.4&5) and a search of the universe was conducted in which Jesus was the only one found worthy to open its seals. What was Jesus found worthy to do that no one else was worth to do?

Why are you reading Revelation, which is a final exam of sorts of scripture?

You have to know the rest of scripture well to understand the prophecy of the end.

 

[Sipsey]

Since about 80% of Revelation refers back to OT passages, it’s best to do a fair amount of study prior to wading into those parts of Scripture.

 

[seekingthemindofChrist]

Why did the Father write a book before anything was created, and then seal it with seven seals?

What makes you think that the Father wrote the book, and that he wrote it before anything was created?

Seeing how the book of the prophet Daniel and the book of Revelation go together like hand and glove, it is possible that this is the actual origin of the book:

Daniel 12:4

"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

Latter at some point in time a great convocation was held in heaven, (Rev.4&5) and a search of the universe was conducted in which Jesus was the only one found worthy to open its seals. What was Jesus found worthy to do that no one else was worth to do?

Magenta already provided the correct answer in her own words, but here is how the Bible answers your question:

Revelation 5:1-10

"And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

 

[Goldwing]

Why are you reading Revelation, which is a final exam of sorts of scripture?

You have to know the rest of scripture well to understand the prophecy of the end.

I would agree with you on both of your statements. Do you think you have a clear understanding of Rev.?

 

[Goldwing]

Since about 80% of Revelation refers back to OT passages, it’s best to do a fair amount of study prior to wading into those parts of Scripture.

A true statement. And for those who have a firm understanding of the OT there are many gems to discover should one be willing to go deeper. For Rev., has much to offer for those living nearer to the, "time of the end," and posses an opened mind, to hear the Holy Spirit.

 

[JohnDB]

I would agree with you on both of your statements. Do you think you have a clear understanding of Rev.?

No....
It's EXTREMELY complex and difficult to truly understand fully....I can understand pieces and parts but that's about it.

It was written that way intentionally.

The reasoning behind the complexity I will leave to whomever to assume.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Why did the Father write a book before anything was created, and then seal it with seven seals?

Latter at some point in time a great convocation was held in heaven, (Rev.4&5) and a search of the universe was conducted in which Jesus was the only one found worthy to open its seals. What was Jesus found worthy to do that no one else was worth to do?

the sealed book is drawn from prophecy

“And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭5:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Remember this was written beforehand


“And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: and the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.( no one can open and read the book because )

Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭29:11-14‬ ‭

Revelation isnt a literal vision God is t actually holding a book on his right hand it’s recalling that the book of the law was placed at the right hand of the ark and later Christ removed it and sat him myself at the rig hand of God where the book once was


Revelation is about all the prior prophecy leading to the end of this creation you can find understanding of every chapter in the Old Testament figures like for instance the book at Gods right hey hand which no one could open d read until Christ appeared it’s about the judgement of God

 

[JohnDB]

I would agree with you on both of your statements. Do you think you have a clear understanding of Rev.?

And I wanted to add something to my earlier statements which is that there ARE a LOT of people claiming to understand it....but do not.

I get that people want to know and others just want people to follow them in their imagination....but itching ears liked to get scratched eh?

 

[Sipsey]

A true statement. And for those who have a firm understanding of the OT there are many gems to discover should one be willing to go deeper. For Rev., has much to offer for those living nearer to the, "time of the end," and posses an opened mind, to hear the Holy Spirit.

For an even-handed and thorough treatment of the Book of Revelation, I will suggest a 1,045 page exposition on the subject by G.K. Beale- “The New International Greek Testament Commentary of The Book of Revelation.”

 

[Goldwing]

Seeing how the book of the prophet Daniel and the book of Revelation go together like hand and glove, it is possible that this is the actual origin of the book:

Daniel 12:4
"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

I certainly agree Dan., & Rev., complement each other, and since you make such a distinction, Share with me what you think makes these two books unique from the rest of the Bible?

I believe we can rule out the possibility that the, "book with seven seals", mentioned in Rev., 5, is actually the book of Daniel, of which Dan. 12:4 is referencing, but a very different book, I believe the Bibles clearly reveals it is, "the Book of Life," for the following reasons:

After Jesus (the Lamb) was found worthy to receive the book having seven seals in Rev., 5, John refers to the book with a possessive noun. He calls it, "the Lamb's Book of Life" (Rev. 21:27) or "the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb." (Rev. 13:8) Since Rev.5, is the only prophecy wherein the Lamb is given a book/scroll having seven seals we can conclude that the book is the, "Book of Life," written by the Father and then sealed. The Book of Life, unlike the other books of record in Heaven, remains sealed until th end of the 1,000 years. (Rev.20:12)

If you agree then that the book given to the Lamb is the, Book of life, of which the Father had previous possession, and wrote, then the questions still remains. Why did the Father write the book, and why will it's content be kept secret until the end of the 1,000 years?

 

[Goldwing]

Jesus was worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals , because Jesus had
achieved victory over sin and death, procuring and mediating our salvation.

 

[Goldwing]

Magenta. You are certainly heading down the right path here. But my purpose in this thread is to go deeper in understanding God's actions than what most Christians understand to date. So let me ask you some questions, just to get you thinking deeper on this subject.

I want to focus on the last three words of your response, "Mediating our salvation," for I believe that is the specific reason why Jesus was found worthy at that point in time, (long after He have up His life on the cross), to begin a special work of Mediation. As I mentioned, "at that point in time."

In your mind, when do you think the Heavenly events of Rev. 4 and 5 took place, and do you have any texts within apocalyptic prophecy that would support your claim?

Again, just trying to get up to think deeper. if you can't answer the question please don't feel ashamed in any way, there are others who will be following this thread that will not know either.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

Why did the Father write a book before anything was created, and then seal it with seven seals?

Latter at some point in time a great convocation was held in heaven, (Rev.4&5) and a search of the universe was conducted in which Jesus was the only one found worthy to open its seals. What was Jesus found worthy to do that no one else was worth to do?

Isaiah 46:10, “Declaring the end from the beginning, and from of old that which has not yet been done, saying, ‘My counsel does stand, and all My delight I do.”

 

[PennEd]

Reading Revelation, according to Jesus Christ, is a blessing. We should read it often. And search the corresponding Scriptures.


Revelation 1

New King James Version
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must [a]shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

 

[Sipsey]

Reading Revelation, according to Jesus Christ, is a blessing. We should read it often. And search the corresponding Scriptures.


Revelation 1

New King James Version
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must [a]shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

Penn, years ago I did a word study on some of the key words in Revelation. I think verse three, where it says, ” Blessed is he who reads,” the word reads is better translated as, Reads aloud, and by implication, one who teaches or preaches the words in Revelation, possibly in church, will be blessed. What are your thoughts? I know that anyone who reads any Scripture should be blessed, but this seems unique.

 

[PennEd]

Penn, years ago I did a word study on some of the key words in Revelation. I think verse three, where it says, ” Blessed is he who reads,” the word reads is better translated as, Reads aloud, and by implication, one who teaches or preaches the words in Revelation, possibly in church, will be blessed. What are your thoughts? I know that anyone who reads any Scripture should be blessed, but this seems unique.

It's an interesting possibility. However it's use here looks to be to actually read yourself.

1. to distinguish between, to recognize, to know accurately, to acknowledge; hence,

2. to read (in this significance ["first in Pindar O. 10 (11). 1"] from [Aristophanes] Thucydides down): τί, Matthew 22:31; Mark 12:10; Luke 6:3; John 19:20; Acts 8:30, 32; 2 Corinthians 1:13; [Galatians 4:21 Lachmann marginal reading]; Revelation 1:3; Revelation 5:4 Rec.; τινά, one's book, Acts 8:28, 30; ἐν with the dative of the book, Matthew 12:5; Matthew 21:42; Mark 12:26; with ellipsis of ἐν τῷ νόμῳ, Luke 10:26; followed by ὅτι [objective], Matthew 19:4; [followed by ὅτι recitative, Matthew 21:16]; τί ἐποίησε, Matthew 12:3; Mark 2:25. The object not mentioned, but to be understood from what precedes: Matthew 24:15; Mark 13:14; Acts 15:31; Acts 23:34; Ephesians 3:4; passive 2 Corinthians 3:2. to read to others, read aloud: 2 Corinthians 3:15; Acts 15:21, (in both places Μωϋσῆς equivalent to the books of Moses); [Luke 4:16; Acts 13:27]; 1 Thessalonians 5:27; Colossians 4:16.

 

[seekingthemindofChrist]

I certainly agree Dan., & Rev., complement each other, and since you make such a distinction, Share with me what you think makes these two books unique from the rest of the Bible?

I never said that those two books are unique from the rest of the Bible. I merely said that they go together like hand and glove.

I believe we can rule out the possibility that the, "book with seven seals", mentioned in Rev., 5, is actually the book of Daniel, of which Dan. 12:4 is referencing, but a very different book, I believe the Bibles clearly reveals it is, "the Book of Life," for the following reasons:

After Jesus (the Lamb) was found worthy to receive the book having seven seals in Rev., 5, John refers to the book with a possessive noun. He calls it, "the Lamb's Book of Life" (Rev. 21:27) or "the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb." (Rev. 13:8) Since Rev.5, is the only prophecy wherein the Lamb is given a book/scroll having seven seals we can conclude that the book is the, "Book of Life," written by the Father and then sealed. The Book of Life, unlike the other books of record in Heaven, remains sealed until th end of the 1,000 years. (Rev.20:12)

If you agree then that the book given to the Lamb is the, Book of life, of which the Father had previous possession, and wrote, then the questions still remains. Why did the Father write the book, and why will it's content be kept secret until the end of the 1,000 years?

If you believe that the book of life remains sealed until the end of the Millennial Reign of Christ, then how could you possibly believe that the book which Jesus takes from the Father's hand is the book of life because he opens the seals of it long before the Millennial Reign even begins?

 

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