Truthfully if you are right, then Jesus will come and rapture me out because i trust in HIM more than my understanding of end times. I know who I am in Christ and He has called me His child. His Holy Spirit leads me every day. Upon waking I pray for guidance and upon sleeping I give thanks for His many blessings. I may not be perfect but each day He leads me into a closer walk with Him and reveals how I could have handled any situation with more love, grace and wisdom.
you are right we will not be able to come to any sort of agreement. Since neither you or Deade believe the passage I asked EG about is about JESUS just before He died upon the cross.
If you are talking about Zech 13, I believe I answered that. 2/3 of the Jewish people will die during Daniel's 70th week..... Of course that cannot be if all prophecies were done with in the Bible at around 70AD. All the last 2000 years have been allegorized to equal the millennium and we are simply waiiting for God the Father to show up with the Great White Throne Judgement.
Our beliefs are too different and it would be too hard to find a common ground, nor are you willing to try to actually understand what I believe but seek only to convert me to your beliefs and imply that if I don't agree I believe and teach a different gospel and thus condemned?
I placed myself in the mix as 'one of us' is teaching a false Gospel. Since either of us are unwilling to change, it stands to reason that one will be severely disappointed.
Unless i am reading too much into your words, than i will apologize. We have not spoken much so I don't know your beliefs on the matter of salvation and what is needed and what the gospel actually is to you.
However, i will state that I hold my beliefs after much research into all positions because when I first encountered the contraversy here on CC, I had no clue which I believed was Biblical truth.
I came to Amillenialiam because of various reasons:
While Amillennialism is not in itself "antisemitic", it is part of the cause for antisemitism around the world!
It removes/cuts Israel (God's people) from their predestined fate in Daniel's 70th week and places all the covenants (promises) that God gave them to the Church. Not the Body of Christ with Jesus as the Head Church, but rather the figurative Church(es) of today.
Man decides to allegorize (by using figurative language and symbolizing) God's word instead of taking His words literally then the Sovereignty of God is replaced with the Sovereignty of MAN.
When this way of thinking is all there is out there, then how can you or I believe anything in the Bible, God's Word.
Like I said at one post; It is very Hard to symbolize a number like 1000 which I believe is why God has put them in the Bible.
This (above) is my personal take on the Eschatology of Amillennialism. There are a lot of good people that are lead to believe this eschatology, we are in the millennium (spirtually) and Man is in control of His destiny Until God, the Father comes back witht eh White Throne Judgement..
As we see in Revelation, there is a multitude of Saints from every Nation, etc. that are redeemed during Jacob's trouble. A Great awakening of many people who sees things a little differently. As I stated before, One of us, either Pre-Mil or Amil are teaching a False Gospel and will thereby be accursed!
1. HISTORY: it is the historical position of the main line church since recorded history.
the new estacological veiws are fairly new and i believe a part of the delusion mentioned in Revelation to make people sleep and become prideful or unprepared to suffer and endure for His name sake. However I do recognize that you say you are willing to endure if needed and pray for God for strength, which is good. I ask HOW WOULD YOU LIVE DIFFERENTLY IF YOU BELIEVED THAT REVELATION WAS HAPPENING NOW AND THE WAR IS PRESENT TENSE AND NOT FUTURE OR PAST?
If we are living in Revelation, would we not have peace? Daniel's 70th week will be anything but peaceful but the Millennium is told to us to be peaceful. No wars, All swords will be turned into plowshares, etc. I really don't think we live that time period.
2. REASON: Prophecy is often written in figurative language and has a lot of SYMBOLISM.
A lot of the Prophecy we see in Revelation is what John SAW, HEARD and FELT. John is told to write;
Rev. 1:19.."Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter""
"which thou hast seen"= the Revelaton (unveiling) that God the Father gave Jesus Christ.
"things which are"= The Seven Letter to the Seven Churches of that time.
"things which shall be hereafter" = God's eternal plan to bring HIS people (Israel) back to him
That is all that Revelation is about......None of it has happened now or especially in 70 AD.
i don't know what you mean by allegory. i have heard people use it to say things like "the book of Esther is allegorical. that means it is like a parable or aesop fables. they didn't actually happen but was told as a story to teach a lesson." I disagree with statements like that. I believe that the stories are TRUE stories not Fables but they do teach a deeper spiritual lesson. Thus I referi to such things as symbolism NOT allegory.
for example i believe that 40 days that Jesus spent between Resurrection and ascension into heaven was LITERAL even though it is also SYMBOLIC because 40 means "the time appointed by God to be fulfilled" I believe this because ten days later at Pentacost or the Feast of Weeks, the Holy Spirit filled the disciples waiting in the UPPER Room.
I give this example because I discussed it last week at my church and the guy believed in allegory and I believed in a literal 40 days but also acknowledged the symbolic nature of the number 40.
The how do you allegorize the 1000 years Jesus speaks of or better yet, What is your symbolic view of the 1000 years. You do have two views ere as well?
3. Personal Experience: Amil stance makes sense or the IMMEDIATE nature of Jesus words and fits in with the destruction of the Temple as Jesus predicts. It shows what HAS BEEN FULFILLED by Jesus upon the cross and WHAT IS YET TO COME. It does not put all prophecies into the future but acknowledges what was accomplished by Jesus and the 1st century saints in the war against Satan. It states that SATAN has been tossed out of Heaven but still roams the earth now. How that is possible is a total different topic that will take months to actually discuss fully because we would have to talk about what having ACCESS to heaven means and HOW JESUS GAVE US ACCESS TO HEAVEN even while we are still living in these temporal tents.
"It shows what HAS BEEN FULFILLED by Jesus upon the cross", What was fulfilled by Jesus on the Cross... Lets see, around 180 prophecies, I believe....Was that you are talking about and if not please expand on this question.
4. Biblical support of how God has fulfilled His prophecies in the past with the taking away of Israel by Babylon and Persia
Anyway. Hope you have a blessed day and that God touches your heart on the subject, because I doubt my words will change your stance.