Women and teaching in the church

[oldhermit]

Psalms 68:11 says that women proclaiming the good news of God is a LARGE ARMY. also other scriptures have explained how God anointed women with Holy Spirit to teach. So that's why women are allowed to make comments.

The why of it is something you would have to take up with the Lord. Psalms 68:11 does not overturn the prohibition laid down in this verse.

 

[starfield]

Joel 2:28,29 and Acts 1

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joel 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

It doesn't say that women can hold pastoral position though.

 

[oldhermit]

Nope you are wrong if the pastor preaches and both Husband and wife does not understand and the husband cannot speak what then

You cannot destroy the force of the prohibition with the use of scenarios.

Women can sing , teach the children etc but not the men as if in preaching there wre women wiser than men in the bible

Yes, they are commanded to sing.

Women are intiltied to ask questions in the church if they do not understand something

Is this what the text tells us?

When paul said ask at home the women at that time were only making noise as to gosip as women so often do

it woul be ridiculous that they come to church and do not understand what the pastor preached what if they donot have a husband to ask

People need to read into contxt and understand what the bible says

The word is ἄνδρας and can mean either man or husband. In other words, Ask the men at home.

Do you have bible lessons in your church ? are only men allowed to participate and the women sit and just listen ?

Yes and this is something with which I take issue based on the prohibition of this text.

 

[Isdaniel]

You cannot destroy the force of the prohibition with the use of scenarios.



Yes, they are commanded to sing.


The word is ἄνδρας and can mean either man or husband. In other words, Ask the men at home.

Yes and this is something with which I take issue based on the prohibition of this text.

So no woman participtes in these bible lessons or discussion in your church even though all males may say something wrong during the discussion which is not bible base and the woman canot correct them there

So they are just to sit there and listen hmmm

were there ever a time when the woman sat on one side and the men on the other during the times of the apostles ?

 

[Isdaniel]

You cannot destroy the force of the prohibition with the use of scenarios.



Yes, they are commanded to sing.





The word is ἄνδρας and can mean either man or husband. In other words, Ask the men at home.



Yes and this is something with which I take issue based on the prohibition of this text.

And these are a few scenarios which if you were faced with well would have terrebly faied

is the women permitted to ask the pastor question in the chuch after service which marry couple always have questions

 

[oldhermit]

So no woman participates in these bible lessons or discussion in your church even though all males may say something wrong during the discussion which is not bible base and the woman cannot correct them there

So they are just to sit there and listen hmmm were there ever a time when the woman sat on one side and the men on the other during the times of the apostles ?

You are trying to find a way to use human logic to rationalize away the simple language of the prohibition through the use of scenarios. This will not work.
The inherent problem with using scenarios as a tool for challenging things in scripture is that scenarios are always rooted in one's own desires, whether consciously or unconsciously, and to render the biblical text contingent upon the context of the scenario. The scenario will always be presented as a human condition and are always the product of human intelligence. Here is what scenarios are designed to do.
1. Scenarios are an attempt to rationalize human will and behavior that is contrary to a foundational truth.
2. Scenarios will generally ignore the language of the biblical text.
3. Scenarios are used to justify a given human agenda. i.e. The end justifies the means.
4. Scenarios are an attempt to overturn the authority of the Word of God in favor of human will.
5. Scenarios exalt human intelligence above the intelligence of God.
6. Scenarios assume that the language of the biblical text cannot stand against the logical argument.
7. Scenarios assume that scripture will break down in the extreme case.
In short, the use of scenarios never add to our understand of the Word of God nor will they overturn the will of God.

 

[Stephen63]

If you look at the definition of the word, then by the definition of the word, one who executes the orders of a minister is a deacon. So, if a child can execute an order, by definition, they are a deacon, yes? If folks want to mince words, let's mince them. I am referring to the definition of the word in the Scripture itself, not the definition in whatever church statutes exist. So, yes, by all means, most anyone that fits that definition can be a deacon.

Ladies, it's totally alright to work in the church regardless of its 'rules'......

*They will have a hissy-fit if you preach...... but you can "speak" at any engagement as long as you are "speaking".

*They'll blow their tops if you preach to their men....... but it's alright to "witness" to them.

*They won't let them hold a major office....... But you can head up all of committees that get most of the church work done.

Churches that say they believe this way are some of the biggest hypocrites........ they tell the women all the things they can't do, yet allow them to do most of the same work of the church under 'other' names. To me it's sickening.

 

[Isdaniel]

You are trying to find a way to use human logic to rationalize away the simple language of the prohibition through the use of scenarios. This will not work.
The inherent problem with using scenarios as a tool for challenging things in scripture is that scenarios are always rooted in one's own desires, whether consciously or unconsciously, and to render the biblical text contingent upon the context of the scenario. The scenario will always be presented as a human condition and are always the product of human intelligence. Here is what scenarios are designed to do.
1. Scenarios are an attempt to rationalize human will and behavior that is contrary to a foundational truth.
2. Scenarios will generally ignore the language of the biblical text.
3. Scenarios are used to justify a given human agenda. i.e. The end justifies the means.
4. Scenarios are an attempt to overturn the authority of the Word of God in favor of human will.
5. Scenarios exalt human intelligence above the intelligence of God.
6. Scenarios assume that the language of the biblical text cannot stand against the logical argument.
7. Scenarios assume that scripture will break down in the extreme case.
In short, the use of scenarios never add to our understand of the Word of God nor will they overturn the will of God.

Any church where a woman cannot participate in a bible study and give her thought on the matter is a false church

You should research the corithians scenario

i understand that women are not to preach but to say not to give a comment on scripture is a big fat lie


raed the whole book from begining to the end and see not just isolate one verse to say what it does not say

Can the women correct children , can the women give revealation or even a message in the church hmmm they cant comment cant they

 

[Isdaniel]

You are trying to find a way to use human logic to rationalize away the simple language of the prohibition through the use of scenarios. This will not work.
The inherent problem with using scenarios as a tool for challenging things in scripture is that scenarios are always rooted in one's own desires, whether consciously or unconsciously, and to render the biblical text contingent upon the context of the scenario. The scenario will always be presented as a human condition and are always the product of human intelligence. Here is what scenarios are designed to do.
1. Scenarios are an attempt to rationalize human will and behavior that is contrary to a foundational truth.
2. Scenarios will generally ignore the language of the biblical text.
3. Scenarios are used to justify a given human agenda. i.e. The end justifies the means.
4. Scenarios are an attempt to overturn the authority of the Word of God in favor of human will.
5. Scenarios exalt human intelligence above the intelligence of God.
6. Scenarios assume that the language of the biblical text cannot stand against the logical argument.
7. Scenarios assume that scripture will break down in the extreme case.
In short, the use of scenarios never add to our understand of the Word of God nor will they overturn the will of God.

Do you allow women to pray in your church ?

 

[oldhermit]

Do you allow women to pray in your church ?

They are not permitted to lead in prayer, wait on the Lord's supper, lead singing, preach, or teach in a class where men are present.

 

[Imperfect]

The women sound like todays [sic] homosexuals?

your quotes of mine have nothing to do with each other... its as if you just wanted to quote something of mine that was against majority belief of the board.

and if you ask me today about fellatio being sex, ill still tell you no.

and these pouty females DO sound like homosexuals. im not cranky, im making a comparison.

these homosexuals claim christians and christianity are hateful. did we not have some women in here claiming we (who stand by the text and say women should not be pastors, etc) are hateful?

they are mad for the same reasons homosexuals are. because "its who they are" and they want to be accepted and have the same acceptance.

but clearly, homosexuality is not acceptable, and women are not to be pastors. and both of them feel resentment for those who only say what the scripture says.

cranky? not so much. making a point.

he's extremely cranky.

honestly, though i agree with the Bible (and my church) that women are not to be pastors; deacons or teachers in church...and (though this is not practiced in my church for the most part)...that women are to cover their heads...i don't know what certain fellows are even doing on an internet forum where women speak

surely there are men-only forums somewhere?

 

[Isdaniel]

They are not permitted to lead in prayer, wait on the Lord's supper, lead singing, preach, or teach in a class where men are present.

Are they allowed to give testemonies in church ?

 

[Praus]

I learned in 1984, when I left the CofE, that women in authority in churches had nothing but contempt and contumely for any men who did not own their authority.

In America we just call in He-Man.

 

[Isdaniel]

They are not permitted to lead in prayer, wait on the Lord's supper, lead singing, preach, or teach in a class where men are present.

can women teach children in the church ? Where in the bible says that they cannot lead in singing ?

 

[Imperfect]

Ladies, it's totally alright to work in the church regardless of its 'rules'......

*They will have a hissy-fit if you preach...... but you can "speak" at any engagement as long as you are "speaking".

*They'll blow their tops if you preach to their men....... but it's alright to "witness" to them.

*They won't let them hold a major office....... But you can head up all of committees that get most of the church work done.

Churches that say they believe this way are some of the biggest hypocrites........ they tell the women all the things they can't do, yet allow them to do most of the same work of the church under 'other' names. To me it's sickening.

that has nothing to do with the Gospel. you are talking about man and his inefficiencies.

 

[oldhermit]

can women teach children in the church ? Where in the bible says that they cannot lead in singing ?

Yes they teach children's classes.
Leading singing is a leadership role. This is not permitted.

 

[Isdaniel]

Yes they teach children's classes.
Leading singing is a leadership role. This is not permitted.

can they teach men music ?

 

[Nautilus]

They are not permitted to lead in prayer, wait on the Lord's supper, lead singing, preach, or teach in a class where men are present.

I'm honestly surprised you allow them to leave the kitchen after all I've read from you.

 

[oldhermit]

Are they allowed to give testemonies in church ?

No. This is not something we practice even among the men.

 

[Isdaniel]

Yes they teach children's classes.
Leading singing is a leadership role. This is not permitted.

No where in the bible says leading in sing is against God

a music teacher and a teacher are similer but a preacher is different even though it involes teaching