HELL

[Magenta]

I believe (like you said) that we are a living soul (dust and spirit) and scripture dose not support the separation of the soul or spirit from our physical. and i believe that the dead know nothing until their resurrection.

then shall the dust return to the earth as it was,
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Ecc 12:7

 

[Base12]

Try the NIV or NET.

Ooooh!

PERFECT!

I get to have Zeus as my Savior!

YAY!

A "Son of the Gods"...

Daniel 3:25 (NIV)
"He said, "Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods"

Oooh and instead of a Mansion, I get a ROOM!!!

John 14:2 (NIV)
"My Father's house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?"

And who's that Dude on the Throne?

I dunno...

"Someone" I suppose... could be anyone really...

Revelation 4:2 (NIV)
"At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it"

Meh... must have been Satan... according to the NIV that is.

 

[Sirk]

Ooooh!

PERFECT!

I get to have Zeus as my Savior!

YAY!

A "Son of the Gods"...

Daniel 3:25 (NIV)
"He said, "Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods"

Oooh and instead of a Mansion, I get a ROOM!!!

John 14:2 (NIV)
"My Father's house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?"

And who's that Dude on the Throne?

I dunno...

"Someone" I suppose... could be anyone really...

Revelation 4:2 (NIV)
"At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it"

Meh... must have been Satan... according to the NIV that is.

im sure you arrived here on you own.

 

[StanJ]

Sorry. I got confused with the you can lose your salvation thread.

Even if that was the case how would losing your salvation have anything to do with your mother-in-law or you fishing for that matter?

 

[Sirk]

Even if that was the case how would losing your salvation have anything to do with your mother-in-law or you fishing for that matter?

Exactly......

 

[StanJ]

Ooooh!

PERFECT!

I get to have Zeus as my Savior!

YAY!

A "Son of the Gods"...

Daniel 3:25 (NIV)
"He said, "Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods"

Oooh and instead of a Mansion, I get a ROOM!!!

John 14:2 (NIV)
"My Father's house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?"

And who's that Dude on the Throne?

I dunno...

"Someone" I suppose... could be anyone really...

Revelation 4:2 (NIV)
"At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it"

Meh... must have been Satan... according to the NIV that is.

Well I guess if one has a problem actually understanding the Bible in the King James then that's one issue but if one has a problem understanding anything in English then that's a totally different problem.

 

[Magenta]

Thank you for the rep, Max I am not sure who Max is!

Ah, I was not preaching hellfire

 

[Trailblazer]

There are many many many Scriptures that attest to the fact that death is the final everlasting punishment for the person who refuses to accept the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ as a covering for their sin.

The lost perish and are no more.

Strong's concordance word #622 - Perish

apollumi: to destroy, destroy utterly

Original Word: ἀπόλλυμι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: apollumi
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ol'-loo-mee)
Short Definition: I destroy, lose, am perishing
Definition: (a) I kill, destroy, (b) I lose, mid: I am perishing (the resultant death being viewed as certain).HELPS Word-studies

622 apóllymi (from 575 /apó, "away from," which intensifies ollymi, "to destroy") – properly, fully destroy, cutting off entirely (note the force of the prefix, 575 /apó).


622 /apóllymi ("violently/completely perish") implies permanent (absolute) destruction, i.e. to cancel out (remove); "to die, with the implication of ruin and destruction" (L & N, 1, 23.106); cause to be lost (utterly perish) by experiencing a miserable end.

Matt 7:13
Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad
that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.

Matthew 10:28
Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but
rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Luke 13:3
I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
Here, the Greek word for perish is apoleisthe, which
means to utterly destroy, kill, slay, demolish, make void.

Jesus says that the end for the unrighteous will be the same as for those
in the days of Noah (Luke 17:27), "the flood came and destroyed them all"
(not tortured). And it will be the same as for Sodom (verse 29)
"destroyed them" (not tortured).

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
So a person either receives eternal life, or they perish. Nothing about eternal torment there.

John 5:24, Jesus said
"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has
eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life."

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift
of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Note: Death, not eternal torment.

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him,
for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.
Please, note again: Destroy, not torture alive forever.

Galations 6:8
For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption
(phthoran), but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
phthoran: From phtheiro; decay, i.e. Ruin (spontaneous or inflicted, literally or figuratively) -- corruption, destroy, perish. The one who sows to his own flesh reaps destruction, not eternal living torment.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from
the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
Destruction, not eternal living torment. The Greek word is olethron: destruction. From a primary ollumi (to destroy; a prolonged form); ruination, i.e. Death, punishment -- destruction.

Hebrews 10:39
But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction,
but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.

James 1:15b
and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.

James 4:12a
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the
One who is able to save and to destroy;

2 Peter 3:7
But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for
fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient
toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
All ungodly men will perish unless they repent.

1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
If you are not alive you cannot be tormented!

Jude 5
Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.

Revelation 2:11b
He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.
The living and the dead will be judged on the last day. Those in
Christ will not experience the second death. Those not in Christ
will experience a second death. This second death is their destruction.
How can it be any clearer?

Revelation 17:8
The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction.
The lake of fire was created for the devil and his angels.

Revelation 20:14-15
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
John interprets this for us: the lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name is not in the book of life, he experiences the second death. This is exactly what it says, death.

Revelation 21:8
“But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
They will undergo the second death, which means they are dead!

After the first sin, what was the promised consequence? God said that it was death. God didn't tell them that they would be given eternal life being tormented in hell. If eternal torture in hell is the consequence, it is jarringly missing from any statement by God to Adam and Eve. God even barred Adam and Eve from the garden to prevent them eating from the tree of life and living forever in their state of sin. Paul explains this: Romans 6:23, The wages of sin is death. This is obvious, Paul said what the wages of sin is and it is not to be burned alive forever after you are dead.

Ezekiel 18:4
The soul who sins will die.

Psalm 1:4-6
Not so the wicked!
They are like chaff
that the wind blows away.
Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment,
nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.
For the LORD watches over the way of the righteous,
but the way of the wicked leads to destruction.

Psalm 9:5
You have rebuked the nations and destroyed the wicked;
you have blotted out their name for ever and ever.

Psalm 9:6
even the memory of them has perished.

Psalm 34:16
but the face of the LORD is against those who do evil,
to blot out their name from the earth.

Psalm 37:9
For those who are evil will be destroyed,

Psalm 37:20
But the wicked will perish:

Psalm 37:22
those he curses will be destroyed

Psalm 37:28b
Wrongdoers will be completely destroyed

Psalm 37:34
when the wicked are destroyed, you will see it.

Psalm 37:38
But all sinners will be destroyed;
there will be no future for the wicked.

Ecclesiastes 9:5
the dead know nothing

Following the resurrection and judgement of all is when the mortal put on the
immortal, not before. Then too shall the corruptible put on the incorruptible.
See 1 Corinthians 15:54~ Death will be swallowed up in victory.

In fact, Jesus Christ has already overcome death.
Death and Hell will be thrown into the lake of fire.

So what have we learned? Hell is not really that bad? I have had talks with the Lord. I do not want to go to hell. I would not mind if you would just destroy my soul and spirit as if I never existed. These scriptures you posted are comforting Magenta.

 

[Silverwings]

I'd rather instruct you to use a different Bible than the King James version. Try the NIV or NET.

Oh please!!! I do not know anything about the NET version, but everybody knows that the NIV left out many crucial verses and should never be reccommended.

 

[Base12]

the Lake of Fire is real

...and yet that's not the end!

It goes somewhere.

What happens next?

See this is where you folks fail.

You think that's the 'end of the story'?

NO!

Those that are cast into the Lake go THROUGH IT.

There is a bunch of stuff that happens after the Lake people.

Quit parroting you Pastors and GET READING!

 

[TMS]

Someone may raise this question: What about the unquenchable fire that burns the wicked? Doesn't that mean it will never go out? To quench means to extinguish or put out. No one will be able to put out the fire of hell. That is the strange fire of God. No one will be able to escape from it by extinguishing it. Isaiah says of that fire, "Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor a fire to sit before it." Isaiah 47:14. After it has accomplished its work of destruction, that fire will go out. No one can deliver themselves from its flame by putting it out, but finally not a coal will be left. So say the Scriptures.

Jeremiah prophesied that Jerusalem would burn with a fire that could not be quenched (Jeremiah 17:27), but it burned down to ashes (2 Chronicles 36:19-21). Read those verses and see how the Bible uses the word "quench." It does not mean fire that will never go out. It only means what it says, "unquenchable." It can't be quenched.

 

[StanJ]

Exactly......

Are you on drugs?

 

[Magenta]

Did anyone guess David as the apple of God's eye? How about this one:

 

[StanJ]

...and yet that's not the end!

It goes somewhere.

What happens next?

See this is where you folks fail.

You think that's the 'end of the story'?

NO!

Those that are cast into the Lake go THROUGH IT.

There is a bunch of stuff that happens after the Lake people.

Quit parroting you Pastors and GET READING!

How about you make a point and stop being condescending?

 

[Sirk]

Someone may raise this question: What about the unquenchable fire that burns the wicked? Doesn't that mean it will never go out? To quench means to extinguish or put out. No one will be able to put out the fire of hell. That is the strange fire of God. No one will be able to escape from it by extinguishing it. Isaiah says of that fire, "Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor a fire to sit before it." Isaiah 47:14. After it has accomplished its work of destruction, that fire will go out. No one can deliver themselves from its flame by putting it out, but finally not a coal will be left. So say the Scriptures.

Jeremiah prophesied that Jerusalem would burn with a fire that could not be quenched (Jeremiah 17:27), but it burned down to ashes (2 Chronicles 36:19-21). Read those verses and see how the Bible uses the word "quench." It does not mean fire that will never go out. It only means what it says, "unquenchable." It can't be quenched.

according to Stan the man its not fire.... It's something else. Could be getting stuck in a boat fishing with your mother in law.

 

[Magenta]

Someone may raise this question: What about the unquenchable fire that burns the wicked? Doesn't that mean it will never go out? To quench means to extinguish or put out. No one will be able to put out the fire of hell. That is the strange fire of God. No one will be able to escape from it by extinguishing it. Isaiah says of that fire, "Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor a fire to sit before it." Isaiah 47:14. After it has accomplished its work of destruction, that fire will go out. No one can deliver themselves from its flame by putting it out, but finally not a coal will be left. So say the Scriptures.

Jeremiah prophesied that Jerusalem would burn with a fire that could not be quenched (Jeremiah 17:27), but it burned down to ashes (2 Chronicles 36:19-21). Read those verses and see how the Bible uses the word "quench." It does not mean fire that will never go out. It only means what it says, "unquenchable." It can't be quenched.

Hell is thrown into the lake of fire... Also, consider this:

There are quite a few places in the Bible where forever is not
meant to be taken to mean without end. Here are a few of them:

Sodom's fiery judgment is 'eternal' (Jude 7) - until...
God 'will restore the fortunes of Sodom' (Eze. 16:53-55).

Israel's 'affliction is incurable' (Jeremiah 30:12) - until... the
Lord 'will restore health' and heal her wounds (Jeremiah 30:17).

The sin of Samaria 'is incurable' (Micah 1:9) - until...
Lord 'will restore the fortunes of Samaria.' (Ez. 16:53).

Ammon is to become a 'wasteland forever' and 'rise no more' (Zephaniah 2:9, Jeremiah 25:27) - until... the Lord will 'restore the fortunes of the Ammonites' (Jeremiah 49:6).

An Ammonite or Moabite is forbidden to enter the Lord's congregation 'forever' - until... the tenth generation (Deuteronomy 23:3).

Habakkuk tells us of mountains that were 'everlasting',
that is - until... they 'were shattered' (Habakkuk 3 3:6).

The Aaronic Priesthood was to be an 'everlasting' priesthood (Exodus 40:15), that is - until... it was superceded by the Melchizedek Priesthood (Hebrews 7:14-18).

Many translations of the Bible inform us that God would dwell in Solomon's Temple 'forever' (1 Kings 8:13), that is - until... the Temple was destroyed.

The Law of Moses was to be an 'everlasting covenant' (Leviticus 24:8), yet we read in the New Covenant the first was 'done away' and 'abolished' (2 Corinthians 3:11,13), and God 'made the first old' (Hebrews 8:13).

The fire for Israel's sin offering (of a ram without blemish) is never to be put out. It shall be a 'perpetual' - until... Christ, the Lamb of God, dies for our sins. We now have a better covenant established on better promises (Leviticus 6:12-13, Hebrews 8:6-13).

God's waves of wrath roll over Jonah 'forever' - until... the Lord delivers him from the large fish's belly on the third day (Jonah 2:6,10; 1:17).

Egypt and Elam will 'rise no more' (Jeremiah 25:27) - until... the Lord will 'restore the fortunes of Egypt' (Ezekiel 29:14) and 'restore the fortunes of Elam' (Jeremiah 49:39).

'Moab is destroyed' (Jeremiah 48:4, 42) - until... the Lord 'will restore the fortunes of Moab' (Jeremiah 48:47).

Israel's judgment lasts 'forever' - until... the Spirit is poured out and God restores it (Isaiah 32:13-15).

The King James Bible, as well as many others, tells us that a bondslave was to serve his master 'forever' (Exodus 21:6), that is - until... his death." http://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/restitution/meaningforever.htm

 

[Base12]

So what have we learned?

That Magenta is great at cutting and pasting walls of text?

 

[StanJ]

Oh please!!! I do not know anything about the NET version, but everybody knows that the NIV left out many crucial verses and should never be reccommended.

KJVO believers are NOT everyone. They are a sadly misinformed and inculcated cult.

 

[maxwel]

I'd rather instruct you to use a different Bible than the King James version. Try the NIV or NET.

The problem isn't a word like "knit" in the KJV.

The phrase "knit together" is still used, to this day, to mean "intertwined", or "held together"... in a very general sense... with no knitting needles involved.

The problem is not "this Bible version" or "that Bible version."

The problem is that people just can't read.

 

[Magenta]

That Magenta is great at cutting and pasting walls of text?

Don't forget all the pretty pictures also