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I have talked to Muslims and study Islam by former Muslims, so I am pretty sure Allah is the term we can use if we were to say it in Arabic. Here's a link that will help with that:
. As I said before, the Violent string is something you do not want to pull lest all of Christian history come out and you have to defend Christian Crusades, The Many Witch trials, The Indian invasions, etc. The Muslims you will encounter in the United States will mostly be the nice loving ones. If you watch the link you will hear the testimony of a Muslim and what he was brought up to believe when he was a Muslim. And as I said before, if they don't come to us we will have to go to them. If you read the history of the Christian, especially in the book of Acts, you will find out that Christianity has had to deal with much pain in order to propagate the truth. If Christians persecute Muslims in America, Christianity won't be Christianity anymore. Its not the Christian way to avoid the potential to share the gospel for the sake of safety. Matthew 10:33 "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven." Matthew 16:25 "For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it." Matthew 5:44 "But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." Matthew 28:19 "therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." Christians in the last couple hundred years have grown very comfortable due to technology and prosperity within their nations that they have forgotten what the bible and history teaches about the church. When the time comes, I will pray to God myself and go to Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, the United Arab Emirates, and other Muslim countries and preach the gospel. These people mean everything to our Jesus Christ who died for them. There is so much work to be done, so much work that we cannot be stagnant in our preaching. We should not be afraid of Muslims or have any hatred toward them. They only already believe in God, we just need to point out what we have in common rather than the differences so that we can get along. The scripture I posted makes that clear. If you don't know any Muslims I suggest you make friends with one and learn how the behave rather than putting your complete faith in the Media's version. The Media is always attacking Christians from all directions and we know that there opinions are simply for self-serving purposes. If you want to know what Muslims believe talk to them. The Muslims I am talking about are the one's we experience here in the United States. They don't come to a country of free speech for no reason. They don't come to country that allows women to dress so disgustingly to teach their children that. And again you cannot equate the Muslims you are going to experience, the ones in which I am referring to, to the whole. The majority of Christians are Catholics if you were to look up the statistics. Would we accept that as reflecting our ideals and beliefs? Let us encounter and love and share the Gospel. Jesus Christ died on the Cross for the Sins of all humanity. Quran 5:46, 47 "And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous," "And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient." So please brothers and sisters, let us focus on what we agree on with Muslims to teach them the Truth. Their texts says right here that they have to listen to the Gospels and the Torah. Again, they will say it is flawed but they still cannot reject the totality of it. It helps if you look at Muslim as you would any other person, except for the fact that they already people in Jesus and God, they just need to combine the two;). View attachment 183163
Wow Pakistan. Its over 90 percent muslim. Prayers. If you dont 🎯 practice, try to do that
 

dcontroversal

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Muslims believe in Allah and Mohammed. Allah is NOT the God of the bible..
AMEN.......ALLAH may be the Arabic name for God, but the god they worship is not the God of heaven.......as a matter of fact my studies have led me to the following conclusion concerning the Arab/Islamic god identified as Allah.....

Horus is Bel is Marduke is Merodach is Jupiter is Zeus is Allah is SATAN.................One and the SAME............any will reject this, but this is what is my view based upon the last 32 years of studying Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and what Rome devolves into......

I am sure some will stand against this....and i want to NOTE that I am pointing at the Arabic use of ALLAH pertaining to the god worshiped in ISLAM....
 

vashweb2

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Just to quickly verify that Allah is the word for God in Arabic; simply type "God is good" in google translate and you will have your answer made certain. Or type God in any shape or form in Arabic on Google Translate and that is the word it will give you.

P.S. I agree with you dcontroversal
 

GodsGrace101

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Atheism and agnostics are all around. Everything they believe is contrary to the word, yet we work with them and are friends with them. Please forgive me for saying this but I feel that I mean it: if I had a choice to chose between living next to a Muslim or an atheist, I would chose a Muslim. Muslims believe in Jesus Christ and the teachings of the gospel although they are terribly mistaken about its interpretation. Quran chapter 5 verse 46 states this "And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous." They do believe in a false interpretation in their Quran, but they cannot reject what the bible says about Jesus, their book tells them that right here.
From what little I know of Islam,,,the belief is that Jesus did not die on the cross.

Also, perhaps you'd like to explain to me why Christians are called "the cross wearers".
I wear a cross...so I guess I'm one of them.
 

Demi777

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Islam is a religion from hell. I wish they came to Jesus and stop following their demon
 

kaylagrl

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Islam is a religion from hell. I wish they came to Jesus and stop following their demon
I heard a news report a few days ago that because of ISIS many Muslims are becoming Christians!!
 

GodsGrace101

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I heard a news report a few days ago that because of ISIS many Muslims are becoming Christians!!
Is it any wonder?
Who wants to be associated with ISIS?
Maybe many are beginning to see what a false religion it is?
The Quran is a very disquieting book. And very mixed up.
In one verse it'll say to love mankind...
and in the next verse it'll say to kill the infedel (which is US).

It even teaches how one is to wash after using the bath...
Any adult that could think straight would know it's a lot of nonsense and certainly not the word of God.

I don't know if Allah is different from God... every religion has a word for the "superior being" who is God.

But I do know that they don't serve God, whatever His name is...
They serve Muhammad.
 
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How many years did Muhammad come after the one True Christ
 

vashweb2

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This verse is prophectic of both Islam and Mormonism: Galatians 1:8 "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!" Hundreds of years before Islam and a thousand plus years before Mormonism was this prophecy of their happening. Maybe an angel did speak to both of them. But that angel was not of God. If both faiths saw this manuscript foretelling their coming maybe they would see the truth. The truth is here. They will either neglect it or suppress it.
 

soberxp

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I think one of the main ideas that should be taken under consideration is what life attest to. The most important thing in life for atheists, Christians, and Muslims is the connections we have with our families and friends, or in one word love. If we examine the Muslims version of God versus the Christian's we see a huge difference. Jesus Christ is so personal and relational in that He comes in to our problems in being a man and saves us from them as God. The entire old testament is centered around the theme of sacrifice an unblemished animal for sins and the coming Messiah as liberator. Muslims believe in the Torah then I hope they will look all the foreshadowing that occurs in the bible pointing to Jesus Christ as God and savoir. I hate to say this but the bible warns about this very happening in Gal 1:8 "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a divine curse," and 2 cor 11:14 "And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." This is almost a prophecy of what happened to Muhammad. An angel my have spoken to him, but if one did, it was not from heaven. I love and respect all Muslims and hope that even with our disagreements we can still joke around, be friends, yet hold to the truth without question.
John 12:44 King James Bible
Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

John 12:44 English Revised Version
And Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

The Muslim think Jesus is the holy spirit, one of the messengers of "god",
and in the
The Koran, chapter two
248. And their Prophet said unto them: Lo! the token of his kingdom is that there shall come unto you the ark whereinis peace of reassurance from your Lord, and a remnant of that which the house of Moses and the house of Aaron leftbehind, the angels bearing it. Lo! herein shall be a token for you if (in truth) ye are believers.
chapter three
3. He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it,even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel

There are two references to the Ark of the covenant and the Gospel

I did a little bit of research and the Gospel in this case is the Gospel of Christianity

Although I know there's a lot more to say
Muslims borrowed things from the bible,
, but books don't lie , even people lies
 

Adstar

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How many years did Muhammad come after the one True Christ
well historians say that muhammad was born in the year 571

So if we say that Jesus died and was reasurected in the year 30 we can do the calcs and say that muhammad was born 541 years after Jesus assended into heaven..
 
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vashweb2, I commend you for striving for a way to reach out to Muslims who just need to see and realize the truth as you obviously have! Part of me wants to apologize for my Christian brother's and sister's "knee jerk" reaction to you and your calling, but as you plainly stated before, you are well acquainted with that reaction from Muslims lol. I believe you're right! Most people don't realize just how brutally totalitarian and restrictive muslim society is. There would be much fewer "radical muslims" if muslim societies were simply allowed to compare the quran to the Bible and decide for themselves. People who have never experienced that kind of oppression don't realize that ignorance is the true enemy! And ignorance is forced upon entire nations of people by violently totalitarian government regimes in the name of religion. It's political policy and brutal control that keeps the muslim people ignorant, but those who have never experienced it are just as ignorant ...
 

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I am aware of some sects of Islams belief: Taliban, ISIS, and other Terrorist groups. Put to equate those groups, and label those groups, with all Islam would be like equating Jim Jones's group, or the Crusades, or Mormons, or other groups that we Christians would not equate with Christianity, as Christians. I am aware of you talking about with Sharia Law and how some Muslims countries have some laws of apostasy. The thing is that there are so many sects of Islam to you can throw in as great worry for Americans without considering the ones that are peaceful. Generalizing all Muslims isn't going to show them the truth, it will only push them away even more. Our truth is the real truth, and our love is the real love, no one here doubts that. I am around Muslims all day long and never see any of them act in the way certain sects of Islam act in other countries. I did a group study not that long ago with a young Muslim and he was very kind to me and very honest about his faith. Developing relationships is the best way we can reflect the truth that they have never heard. Muslims occupy around 1.6 billion (according to the last Us.gov numbers) out of 7 billion people. That is a large number we would be ignoring. Mat 5:43-45 says "You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous," and Matt 28:19 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." It seems if they cannot come here then we will have to go there; it is one or the other.
Brother i made a mistake... it was very immature of me to do that... but o questioned a Muslim guy's beliefs in a bad way... talking about how Jihad is killing people and how Prophet Mohammad had 11 wives.... :'( am afraid i hav led him far from Jesus. And he won't talk now so there won't be any reconciliation it seems between us.. i only prayed for him.
 

Milee777

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Brother i made a mistake... it was very immature of me to do that... but o questioned a Muslim guy's beliefs in a bad way... talking about how Jihad is killing people and how Prophet Mohammad had 11 wives.... :'( am afraid i hav led him far from Jesus. And he won't talk now so there won't be any reconciliation it seems between us.. i only prayed for him.
am so bad... i hate that i did that..
 

vashweb2

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We make mistakes to learn from them sis. Just remember and try better next time. :)
 

Milee777

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Now, i want to bring to notice to y'all that my Muslim friend had debated with me alot over Scriptures and he beliefs FIRMLY that the Bible has been adulterated... and that different versions of the Bible contradict each other and also says that Christian Scholars agree upon that. So i asked him to quote about 10 verses which he thought were contradicting in different versions and he did and I found out that he did it with total bias as in many of them certain verses were missing according to him which i found to be combined with the verse just above it, also in many the ultimate meaning had not changed... Then he finally gave me Hebrews 11:12 and i found out that he got me here.. for Kjv and one another version (niv i guess) completely contradict here. But even after that i told him that he can't prove that KJV is adulterated watever... to which he kept saying scholars this scholars that... And what more he believes the only word of God that has not been adulterated over generations is the Quran and he also believes the Torah old testament was also adulterated so its 'unreliable' according to him. So firmly he believes this thing, now tell me without the Torah, the common ground upon which we could hav made them believe is also destroyed... this is what is happening..
 

Magenta

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Now, i want to bring to notice to y'all that my Muslim friend had debated with me alot over Scriptures and he beliefs FIRMLY that the Bible has been adulterated... and that different versions of the Bible contradict each other and also says that Christian Scholars agree upon that. So i asked him to quote about 10 verses which he thought were contradicting in different versions and he did and I found out that he did it with total bias as in many of them certain verses were missing according to him which i found to be combined with the verse just above it, also in many the ultimate meaning had not changed... Then he finally gave me Hebrews 11:12 and i found out that he got me here.. for Kjv and one another version (niv i guess) completely contradict here. But even after that i told him that he can't prove that KJV is adulterated watever... to which he kept saying scholars this scholars that... And what more he believes the only word of God that has not been adulterated over generations is the Quran and he also believes the Torah old testament was also adulterated so its 'unreliable' according to him. So firmly he believes this thing, now tell me without the Torah, the common ground upon which we could hav made them believe is also destroyed... this is what is happening..
They burnt all the early Korans because they did not agree, your "friend" may be practicing taqiyya, and the Koran also tells Muslims to believe the Bible, so he is actually contradicting himself. I do not see the problem with Hebrews 11:12, what contradiction are you referring to? Please keep in mind that many so-called scholars are not in any way inspired, and not in possession of the Truth.

The attitude of Muslims toward the Bible is enigmatic, to say the least. On the one hand, the Qur'an speaks very highly of the "Taurah" (Torah), the "Zabur" (Psalms) and the "Injil" (Gospel) as Scriptures revealed to Moses, David and Jesus respectively. It calls them "Books of God," describing them as a "sign," a "light," a "guidance," or a "mercy," and exhorts Muslims to read and live by them. Muslims therefore profess to believe in "all the Prophets and all the Scriptures." At the same time, however, they dismiss the Bible as being invalid and untrustworthy. Muslims explain this inconsistency by charging that the present Bible is not the same as the Scriptures referred to in the Qur'an; they claim that the text has become so "corrupted" that the original Scriptures must be considered lost.

How can Muslims make such claims in the face of all the evidence to the contrary? To begin with, they will usually claim that the Qur'an itself states that the Bible has been corrupted. There are indeed a few passages which accuse the Jews of Medina in Muhammad's day of "corrupting" their Scriptures, although Muslim commentators themselves are not agreed as to what is meant by this. Many earlier commentators held that all that is meant is that they misquoted, not alterated, the text. In any case, one may safely say that these verses are not the real reason for the claim. Nor is it that Muslims have studied the manuscript evidence for the text of the Old and New Testaments, or the principles of "textual criticism," and found proof of textual corruption.

The real reason Muslims reject the Bible is that the Qur'an leads them to expect a "Scripture" very different than what they actually find. To give one example, the Muslim expects the Gospel to be, much like the Qur'an, a book revealed to Jesus, not a book about His life. Committed as they are to the Truth of the Qur'an, the only explanation they will accept for this discrepancy is that the Biblical text must be corrupted. Despite overwhelming evidence showing that the Bible has not been changed, few Muslims are willing to admit it.

How is the Christian to respond to such an attitude? In such circumstances, it is easy to become exasperated and say too much. Read, ponder memorize and follow the advice of 2 Timothy 2:24-26. Continue to affirm the Truth. Keep in mind that, given the Qur'an's understanding of the Scriptures, it would have shattering implications for the Muslim's faith in it if he were to admit to the Bible's authenticity. There are excellent inexpensive booklets to help you. I recommend "The Holy Book of God: An Introduction" by David Shenk. From http://www1.cbn.com/onlinediscipleship/what-is-the-muslim-view-of-the-bible
 

soberxp

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There is no point in discussing biblical adulteration, and the point is that Christians do not emphasize the part of the Koran that recognizes the Bible, and I think that if every Christian had promoted the Holy Koran's recognition of the Bible, Muslims would have heard some of these words. And there may be some change, Hebrew 11:12, there is no contradiction ah, but talk about God can give birth to the infertility, even if there are contradictions here does not represent any problem, the problem is the proud looks. And Muslims tried hard to rule out the influence of the Bible in the Koran. They called Jesus forty days after his resurrection, saying that Jesus was going to be a Muslim for forty days. This is ridiculous. But what I think is even more ridiculous is that every Muslim's ideas and statements are not necessarily the same.
 
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I still feel that the real problem here is mostly societal. Americans have never been told what to believe "or else!" As evidenced by the fact that freedom of religion in America is a constitutional right... And consequently there are many many different kinds of churches All Over America. The only reason I know the difference between the Bible and the Quran is because I have been allowed to read both. It's obvious to Christians that the Quran was written by a warmonger during the time of War for the purpose of perpetuating War. But for someone who has only read the Quran "or else" it's not so obvious. It's no wonder that Muslims lash back at Christians and the validity of the Bible when we as Christians know that the Koran has never had any Integrity to begin with... and we are not at all shy about pointing that out.