Islam

[GandalfTheWhite]

Again, you are wrong. Allah, as you see here, is the only word in Arabic for God. The argument to say that those who speak Arabic need to say God instead of Allah is the same argument to say those who God need to the Hebrew word Elohim. It is performing a double standard against those who speak Arabic and makes the person attempting to make the argument appear to be Islamophobic and racist.
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I never said that Muslims should use god instead of Allah. I said to them their god's name is Allah. Just like the Jews (and Christians) have YHVH. The term god in English is a title.

I actually didn't know that their is not another word for god in Arabic but to be honest I actually don't care about the Muslim religion.

The one thing that remains is that a Muslim cannot tell me he is worshipping the God of the Bible. Ask any Muslim if they worship YHVH Elohim and se their reaction

 

[vashweb2]

You could have asked a pagan from a germanic tribe, as Tacitus describes, about God and they wouldn't say it was Jesus or anything from the Bible. It does begin to merge with Christianity but that's after accepting it's original meaning. Same with Latin word Deo. It was used for the Roman pagan gods but now it's used in the romance languages to mean God. Allah is not a name. Also elohiym is a title as this example demonstrates. It is used to describe the pagan gods of Egypt.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

You could have asked a pagan from a germanic tribe, as Tacitus describes, about God and they wouldn't say it was Jesus or anything from the Bible. It does begin to merge with Christianity but that's after accepting it's original meaning. Same with Latin word Deo. It was used for the Roman pagan gods but now it's used in the romance languages to mean God. Allah is not a name. Also elohiym is a title as this example demonstrates. It is used to describe the pagan gods of Egypt.

You are confirming what I already said to you so we agree There are many elohim but YHVH is THE Elohim.

Therefor our friend Allah is an elohim but because he doesn't have the same character as YHVH he is not THE elohim.

 

[vashweb2]

Okay, so we agree that it is fine for Arabic Christians who don't speak English and only speak Arabic to worship the Christian God which would be called Allah in their own language.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Okay, so we agree that it is fine for Arabic Christians who don't speak English and only speak Arabic to worship the Christian God which would be called Allah in their own language.

I don't know Arabic and I don't understand their culture and dialect. An Arab Christian would be better equipped to answer that.

The problem you are creating is (like with Israel) you can worship YHVH Elohim instead of the golden calf or worship the golden calf instead of YHVH.

We have the same in the Christian community. Many are worshipping a god and not the God. Even if the say his name is Jesus. The Bible is clear about it.

You might find the following interesting

Something different but the same

The test will always be the character of God. If it is not the same you are busy with idol worshipping. That is why a Muslim will not admit to worshipping YHVH but a Christian Arab will (I am sure).

God bless brother.

 

[vashweb2]

You don't understand Old English either yet you keep using their word "góð," "góðum," and "góða" for the word God. The word, God, originally was created for a non-Christian God. You don't have to ask a Arabic Christianity whether Allah means God generally or whether it referred to a specific God since Google translate does it for you. I posted it before. If Allah was a specific name, when I typed God in, which is a title, it wouldn't have given me a name, but a title.

 

[vashweb2]

Just to settle the matter:https://www.britannica.com/topic/Allah

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

You don't understand Old English either yet you keep using their word "góð," "góðum," and "góða" for the word God. The word, God, originally was created for a non-Christian God. You don't have to ask a Arabic Christianity whether Allah means God generally or whether it referred to a specific God since Google translate does it for you. I posted it before. If Allah was a specific name, when I typed God in, which is a title, it wouldn't have given me a name, but a title.

You can call your god blue berry pancakes and tell me it is the same as the god I worship but I will look at his character.

God is clear that He will decide if our hearts were pure. If a Arabic Christian's god does not have the same character as YHVH they are deceived and worshipping an idol.

The Bible is clear there are many elohim (gods) but one Elohim (God).

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Just to settle the matter:https://www.britannica.com/topic/Allah
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Again, Israel said that the golden calf's name was YHVH... but clearly it was not the living YHVH... look at the character of the one you worship and that will make it clear if it is an idol or not.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Jesus said that there will be people getting healed in his name, but it wasn't done by his followers. We have to know our God's fruit to identify fellow believers.

 

[vashweb2]

Based on your first comment, your mistake is of a racist sort. You are segregating the Arab culture by assuming that they lack understanding to follow God correctly because they might mix Him up with another god. You think by just continuing to repeat the name "YHVH" that you have distinguished your God from any other religion's God. YHVH is used by Jehovah Witness to mean another God beside the Christian God and therefore it is foolish to continue saying that name as if it is perfectly distinguishable from any other. Mormons do the same with Jesus' name. So instead of creating a prejudice against Arab Christians because you think they do not have the intelligence enough to distinguish one God from another, try looking at the speck in the eye of your own culture.

 

[vashweb2]

You are absolutely mistaken about the Elohim claim as well. Genesis 1:1 uses the plural form of God which would be Gods though it is translated in the singular. The Bible uses the exact same word for both as you see here:

 

[Magenta]

Let us make man in our image -> Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Islam denies God has a Son To a Muslim, that is shirk/idolatry (blasphemy).

 

[vashweb2]

Not all Muslims are Arabs and not all Arabs are Muslim. Arab is an ethnicity and Arabic is a language. Islam (Muslims) is a religion. The Qur'an just happens to be written in Arabic and is popular in Arab countries but there exists English translations of their Qur'an as well.

 

[Magenta]

Not all Muslims are Arabs and not all Arabs are Muslim. Arab is an ethnicity and Arabic is a language. Islam (Muslims) is a religion. The Qur'an just happens to be written in Arabic and is popular in Arab countries but there exists English translations of their Qur'an as well.

Some Muslims will tell you the Quran has never changed, unlike the Bible which they claim to be corrupt. Meanwhile, all the original copies of the Quran were burned to eliminate inconsistencies, so we will never know what the original said

 

[vashweb2]

I agree. There is no question that the Qur'an is mistaken. The bible is the absolute authority when it comes to all knowledge we can understand about God. There is no other source that is unquestionable.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Based on your first comment, your mistake is of a racist sort. You are segregating the Arab culture by assuming that they lack understanding to follow God correctly because they might mix Him up with another god. You think by just continuing to repeat the name "YHVH" that you have distinguished your God from any other religion's God. YHVH is used by Jehovah Witness to mean another God beside the Christian God and therefore it is foolish to continue saying that name as if it is perfectly distinguishable from any other. Mormons do the same with Jesus' name. So instead of creating a prejudice against Arab Christians because you think they do not have the intelligence enough to distinguish one God from another, try looking at the speck in the eye of your own culture.

now YHVH is Jehovah Witnesses thank you for my Monday entertainment.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Not all of them are like that. I have meant many nice Muslim people who are really sweet and kind. I know that they do not have the truth but they are still kind. The Media portrays Islam and Christianity as hateful as possible. Go read your newspaper today. I read an article about a homosexual boy at a Catholic school who wasn't allowed to give a speech at the school for some reason. The Media was all over it. We can't believe what the media says about Christianity or Islam the same. Talk to a Muslim. Show them who Christ is rather than assuming they hateful toward you; because they are very loving people too. Share who Christ is with Love and Truth and watch the change.

Here you are talking about Muslim people but all of the sudden you are backpaddling to Christian Arabs... yawn... thank you for chatting...

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Not all Muslims are Arabs and not all Arabs are Muslim. Arab is an ethnicity and Arabic is a language. Islam (Muslims) is a religion. The Qur'an just happens to be written in Arabic and is popular in Arab countries but there exists English translations of their Qur'an as well.

You are backpaddling... you were discussing Muslims at the beginning of the thread you started. Now it is Arab Christians

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

I am glad that you got to know Arab Christians...

My wife and I have some Muslim friends. Strange thing is they all want to convert you at some stage even if it is just the most subtle hint but they do try.

Just before I met my wife, she bought a new car and she always prays over her vehicle. One night she was busy driving to a friends house and somebody smashed the small back window of her car. When she got home there was rain in the air and she went to her Muslim neighbor and asked him if they could swop places. Her parking would get water in the window because she was at the end of the carports. The Muslim guy graciously said yes.

Early the next morning the neighbor from across the road came back home after having one (or maybe two) too many drinks and as he tried to reverse into his parking instead of being in reverse he was in gear and "bam" into the parking spot where my wife's car should have been. He pushed the Muslim guy's car into the wall and as everybody ran out my wife said "praise God" and the Muslim was looking at her like "hello!!!".

She did ministered to him and till this day we are still friends with him but the Muslim hold on his life is not an easy bond to break.

I hope you find what you are looking for @vashweb2 while you witness to your Arab friends. If it brings you closer to God... then glory to Abba Father for using it to draw you close.

God bless