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soberxp

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BTW,In fact, Muslims are paradoxes, those extreme Muslims who believe that 72 wives can be married in the kingdom of heaven, and that as a martyr they can enter the kingdom of heaven, the Suicide bomber to kill all those who do not believe, but they are the ones who do not believe in the Koran. For it is said in the Koran that Jews deny Christians, Christians deny Jews, and they lack knowledge. This sentence clearly affirms the Bible and affirms that both Jews and Christians are believers. What's more, the Quran says that innocent people must not be killed, and that some extreme Muslims will appear in the Koran, as the Quran says. All I can say is that I'm sad that even the prophets can't change some people. Sometimes I wonder if Muslims are reading the Koran, or whether some Muslims are being taught by the devil.
 

Milee777

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They burnt all the early Korans because they did not agree, your "friend" may be practicing taqiyya, and the Koran also tells Muslims to believe the Bible, so he is actually contradicting himself. I do not see the problem with Hebrews 11:12, what contradiction are you referring to? Please keep in mind that many so-called scholars are not in any way inspired, and not in possession of the Truth.

The attitude of Muslims toward the Bible is enigmatic, to say the least. On the one hand, the Qur'an speaks very highly of the "Taurah" (Torah), the "Zabur" (Psalms) and the "Injil" (Gospel) as Scriptures revealed to Moses, David and Jesus respectively. It calls them "Books of God," describing them as a "sign," a "light," a "guidance," or a "mercy," and exhorts Muslims to read and live by them. Muslims therefore profess to believe in "all the Prophets and all the Scriptures." At the same time, however, they dismiss the Bible as being invalid and untrustworthy. Muslims explain this inconsistency by charging that the present Bible is not the same as the Scriptures referred to in the Qur'an; they claim that the text has become so "corrupted" that the original Scriptures must be considered lost.

How can Muslims make such claims in the face of all the evidence to the contrary? To begin with, they will usually claim that the Qur'an itself states that the Bible has been corrupted. There are indeed a few passages which accuse the Jews of Medina in Muhammad's day of "corrupting" their Scriptures, although Muslim commentators themselves are not agreed as to what is meant by this. Many earlier commentators held that all that is meant is that they misquoted, not alterated, the text. In any case, one may safely say that these verses are not the real reason for the claim. Nor is it that Muslims have studied the manuscript evidence for the text of the Old and New Testaments, or the principles of "textual criticism," and found proof of textual corruption.

The real reason Muslims reject the Bible is that the Qur'an leads them to expect a "Scripture" very different than what they actually find. To give one example, the Muslim expects the Gospel to be, much like the Qur'an, a book revealed to Jesus, not a book about His life. Committed as they are to the Truth of the Qur'an, the only explanation they will accept for this discrepancy is that the Biblical text must be corrupted. Despite overwhelming evidence showing that the Bible has not been changed, few Muslims are willing to admit it.

How is the Christian to respond to such an attitude? In such circumstances, it is easy to become exasperated and say too much. Read, ponder memorize and follow the advice of 2 Timothy 2:24-26. Continue to affirm the Truth. Keep in mind that, given the Qur'an's understanding of the Scriptures, it would have shattering implications for the Muslim's faith in it if he were to admit to the Bible's authenticity. There are excellent inexpensive booklets to help you. I recommend "The Holy Book of God: An Introduction" by David Shenk. From http://www1.cbn.com/onlinediscipleship/what-is-the-muslim-view-of-the-bible
Hey thanks for bringing it to my notice. NOW. its not Hebrews 11:12 am really sorry about that.... Its Hosea 11:12.. See how KJV and NIV completely contradict here. I both googled and cross checked with my Bible app. I had nothing to say against it when he brought this to my notice.
 

Milee777

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Just type what do scholars say about Quran and there you go... you'll find there are disputes over it.. new theories and yet he tells me this '' are you trying to contradict what ur own scholars are saying''. His bias is clear yet i know fighting isn't the answer and he sometimes seems like a true pursuer of the truth and if he truly pursues God, he' ll find Him, no doubt about it.