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there's lots of different reasons that each of us give 'likes' at different times -
the reasons are varied; even if we don't agree in everything with each other,
sometimes it's just because we have seen some one take a step in the right direction,
or we see that they have a new understanding that they didn't have before, or maybe
suddenly we see them humble themselves or show Love where we didn't see it before or
many be we see a new strength in them as they share what they have learned from another....
I don't study the reasons, but only hope it is because a listener/reader has found an
appreciation for understanding even a part of something someone has posted from their heart,
and is kind enough to show it...
seldom will true 'unity' be found here, but Jesus' Love in us should always be manifested,
even if it means to sometimes keep silent when not in agreement...
the reasons are varied; even if we don't agree in everything with each other,
sometimes it's just because we have seen some one take a step in the right direction,
or we see that they have a new understanding that they didn't have before, or maybe
suddenly we see them humble themselves or show Love where we didn't see it before or
many be we see a new strength in them as they share what they have learned from another....
I don't study the reasons, but only hope it is because a listener/reader has found an
appreciation for understanding even a part of something someone has posted from their heart,
and is kind enough to show it...
seldom will true 'unity' be found here, but Jesus' Love in us should always be manifested,
even if it means to sometimes keep silent when not in agreement...
there's lots of different reasons that each of us give 'likes' at different times -
the reasons are varied; even if we don't agree in everything with each other,
sometimes it's just because we have seen some one take a step in the right direction,
or we see that they have a new understanding that they didn't have before, or maybe
suddenly we see them humble themselves or show Love where we didn't see it before or
may be we see a new strength in them as they share what they have learned from another....
I don't study the reasons, but only hope it is because a listener/reader has found an
appreciation for understanding even a part of something someone has posted from their heart,
and is kind enough to show it...
seldom will true 'unity' be found here, but Jesus' Love in us should always be manifested,
even if it means to sometimes keep silent when not in agreement...
the reasons are varied; even if we don't agree in everything with each other,
sometimes it's just because we have seen some one take a step in the right direction,
or we see that they have a new understanding that they didn't have before, or maybe
suddenly we see them humble themselves or show Love where we didn't see it before or
may be we see a new strength in them as they share what they have learned from another....
I don't study the reasons, but only hope it is because a listener/reader has found an
appreciation for understanding even a part of something someone has posted from their heart,
and is kind enough to show it...
seldom will true 'unity' be found here, but Jesus' Love in us should always be manifested,
even if it means to sometimes keep silent when not in agreement...
I suppose it depends on how one looks the passage in John.
there is stuff out there stating it was written to the Gnostics given the opening verses.
There is stuff out there saying if we don't confess all sin then it will not be forgiven.
There is stuff out there saying that we don't need to confess it in order to be forgiven.
There is stuff out there that says confession is the same as repentance.
In fact the words for repentance and confession are different.
I look at this way.
To confess is to agree before God, I didn't get that right, I messed up here.
Please help me here, it's not something I want in my life, which to me is repentance.
I thank him that I am forgiven and have been cleansed from my sin.
I then ask for protection from condemnation as Satan will surely try to codemn me.
Notice though that I'm saying I need help please help me.
To me that's a sign of a genuine believer.
If one didn't give 2 hoots they would confess it, even if they did God knows the heart and there no such thing as a free meal ticket when it comes to God.
The whole first chapter of 1 John 1 can be confusing.
1 John 1:5-10
Fellowship with Him and One Another
This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
I find it difficult how a genuine believer can or believe we have no sin or will not sin.
If that's the case Jesus did not die for them.
Jesus died for sinners and intercedes on our behalf when we sin.
Just my simple thoughts.
there is stuff out there stating it was written to the Gnostics given the opening verses.
There is stuff out there saying if we don't confess all sin then it will not be forgiven.
There is stuff out there saying that we don't need to confess it in order to be forgiven.
There is stuff out there that says confession is the same as repentance.
In fact the words for repentance and confession are different.
I look at this way.
To confess is to agree before God, I didn't get that right, I messed up here.
Please help me here, it's not something I want in my life, which to me is repentance.
I thank him that I am forgiven and have been cleansed from my sin.
I then ask for protection from condemnation as Satan will surely try to codemn me.
Notice though that I'm saying I need help please help me.
To me that's a sign of a genuine believer.
If one didn't give 2 hoots they would confess it, even if they did God knows the heart and there no such thing as a free meal ticket when it comes to God.
The whole first chapter of 1 John 1 can be confusing.
1 John 1:5-10
Fellowship with Him and One Another
This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
I find it difficult how a genuine believer can or believe we have no sin or will not sin.
If that's the case Jesus did not die for them.
Jesus died for sinners and intercedes on our behalf when we sin.
Just my simple thoughts.
Good post.
Its interesting I think.
You talk about unity, if memory serves me there wasn't much unity amongst the disciples when Jesus walked with them.
"Who do you love the most, will he never die?
We see disunity from Acts through. Disagreements.
Paul goes at Peter.
Even Peter said some of the stuff Paul preaches is hard to understand.
But even Peter says
2 Peter 3:16-18
as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.
Some things are hard to understand and we may not get this side of eternity.
One thing we should all make sure off though is not to detract from the Gospel of Jesus.
Whoever believes in me will not perish and I will not lose any of you who the Father has given me.
If we truly believe then we want to be like Jesus.
If we wander off the path, walk in a period of sin he will seek us out and correct us, chasten us.
Its interesting I think.
You talk about unity, if memory serves me there wasn't much unity amongst the disciples when Jesus walked with them.
"Who do you love the most, will he never die?
We see disunity from Acts through. Disagreements.
Paul goes at Peter.
Even Peter said some of the stuff Paul preaches is hard to understand.
But even Peter says
2 Peter 3:16-18
as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.
Some things are hard to understand and we may not get this side of eternity.
One thing we should all make sure off though is not to detract from the Gospel of Jesus.
Whoever believes in me will not perish and I will not lose any of you who the Father has given me.
If we truly believe then we want to be like Jesus.
If we wander off the path, walk in a period of sin he will seek us out and correct us, chasten us.
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1 John 2:16 ►
For everything in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--comes not from the Father but from the world.
Galatians 5
19Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21envy,d drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who doe such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
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I believe it means that we feed the good fruit of walking with the spirit and we cut out the flesh like pride, contention and envy.
For everything in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--comes not from the Father but from the world.
Galatians 5
19Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21envy,d drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who doe such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
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I believe it means that we feed the good fruit of walking with the spirit and we cut out the flesh like pride, contention and envy.
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We aren't defined by our emotions or our actions...we are defined by who God says we are.
We will be judged by our emotions, thoughts and actions and either be found good and pure or in need of chasten and correction. God gives us a choice...judge ourselves and correct our behavior or have Him check us.
We will be judged by our emotions, thoughts and actions and either be found good and pure or in need of chasten and correction. God gives us a choice...judge ourselves and correct our behavior or have Him check us.
[SUP]and there is children trying to be mature, yet are still children.
[/SUP] [SUP]3 [/SUP]and said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. .14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!"16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,1Romans 8: Life in the Spiritand said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.Matt 18.
21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.Galatians 3."8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspringRomans 9: God's Sovereign Choice
[/SUP] [SUP]3 [/SUP]and said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. .14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!"16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,1Romans 8: Life in the Spiritand said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.Matt 18.
21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.Galatians 3."8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspringRomans 9: God's Sovereign Choice
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[SUP]and there is children trying to be mature, yet are still children.
[/SUP] [SUP]3 [/SUP]and said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Matt 18[SUP]
3 [/SUP]and said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. .14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!"16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,1Romans 8: Life in the Spiritand said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.Matt 18.
21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.Galatians 3."8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspringRomans 9: God's Sovereign Choice
Originally Posted by PennEd
This is about as good an interpretation of these passages as I've seen. Nice job.
There are tons of Christians, some that claim to be mature, that really get this passage wrong.
[/SUP] [SUP]3 [/SUP]and said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Matt 18[SUP]
3 [/SUP]and said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. .14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!"16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,1Romans 8: Life in the Spiritand said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.Matt 18.
21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.Galatians 3."8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspringRomans 9: God's Sovereign Choice
This is about as good an interpretation of these passages as I've seen. Nice job.
There are tons of Christians, some that claim to be mature, that really get this passage wrong.
Matt 18.1-6
At that time the disciples came to Jesus and said, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” [SUP]2[/SUP]And He called a child to Himself and set him before them, [SUP]3[/SUP]and said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And whoever receives one such child in My name receives Me;[SUP]6 [/SUP]but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
At that time the disciples came to Jesus and said, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” [SUP]2[/SUP]And He called a child to Himself and set him before them, [SUP]3[/SUP]and said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And whoever receives one such child in My name receives Me;[SUP]6 [/SUP]but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
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Amen bro. People gotta take a stand for the FINISHED work of Jesus.
Its funny how when Jesus gets tough (cut out your eye, cut off your hand etc) everyone wants to get all "its metaphorical" yet when he says you're going to hell, that's actual. (People more concerned with their flesh than their spirit I guess)
Its funny how when Jesus gets tough (cut out your eye, cut off your hand etc) everyone wants to get all "its metaphorical" yet when he says you're going to hell, that's actual. (People more concerned with their flesh than their spirit I guess)