A BIBLICAL EXAMINATION OF CALVINISM
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Yep, Jesus said that in John 12:32, and there is a specific contextual reason he said it.
You'll never see the true application and context of John 12:32 unless God reveals it to you. But you're done learning and simply use the Bible to argue.
As of now your tradition, truncated gospel and hatred for other believers has blinded you. It is of note what 1 John says about hating one's brother, and the indictment is awful.
It is sad to see you filled with such disdain and hate garnered from your religion and disseminated toward other saved persons. This is typical among fundies.
All you are doing is pitting Scripture against Scripture, and all of you who deny election, predestination (accept when you want to distort its truth) do this very thing, day in, day out, never learning the errors of your teaching.
You'll never see the true application and context of John 12:32 unless God reveals it to you. But you're done learning and simply use the Bible to argue.
As of now your tradition, truncated gospel and hatred for other believers has blinded you. It is of note what 1 John says about hating one's brother, and the indictment is awful.
It is sad to see you filled with such disdain and hate garnered from your religion and disseminated toward other saved persons. This is typical among fundies.
All you are doing is pitting Scripture against Scripture, and all of you who deny election, predestination (accept when you want to distort its truth) do this very thing, day in, day out, never learning the errors of your teaching.
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The above shows how absolutely ignorant you are of the truth of the matter. The fact is, we Reformed are completely Sola fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Scriptura, Solus Christus and Soli Deo Gloria. You cannot claim this as you take credit for your own self, decision, wisdom and choosing, taking glory from God.
We did nothing to merit election and salvation, (Unconditional Election) you all performed an act and earned it (Conditional Election.)
We did nothing to merit election and salvation, (Unconditional Election) you all performed an act and earned it (Conditional Election.)
As to the "called [/invited]" words used in both Romans 8:28,30 and in Matthew 22:2-14 (which I've posted on, in the past), a thorough examination should be done regarding the two differing Greek words used in BOTH of these passages: "G2822 - kletois [in Rom8:28 and Matt22:14]" and "G2564 - ekalesen [in Rom8:30 and the rest of the passage of Matt22, besides v.14]" .
Here's just the one passage:
Matthew 22:1-14 [blb] -
The Parable of the Banquet
(Luke 14:15-24)
1 And answering, Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying, 2 “The kingdom of the heavens has become like a man, a king, who made a wedding feast for his son. 3 And he sent his servants to call those having been invited to the wedding feast—and they were not willing to come.
4 Again he sent other servants, saying, ‘Say to those having been invited, “Behold, I have prepared my dinner. My oxen and the fatlings have been killed, and all things are ready; come to the wedding feast.”’
5 And having paid no attention they went away, one to the own field, and one to his business. 6 And the rest, having laid hold of his servants, mistreated and killed them.
7 And the king was angry, and having sent his armies, he destroyed those murderers and burned their city. 8 Then he says to his servants, ‘Indeed the wedding feast is ready, but those having been invited were not worthy. 9 Therefore go into the thoroughfares of the highways, and invite to the wedding feast as many as you shall find.’
10 And those servants, having gone out into the highways, brought together all, as many as they found, both evil and good; and the wedding hall became full of those reclining.
11 And the king having entered in to see those reclining, he beheld a man there not being dressed in wedding clothes. 12 And he says to him, ‘Friend, how did you enter here not having a wedding garment?’
And he was speechless.
13 Then the king said to the servants, ‘Having bound his hands and feet, cast him out into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of the teeth.’
14 For many are called, but few chosen.”
[this context is regarding the "wedding FEAST" whereas Rom8 is not]
Here's just the one passage:
Matthew 22:1-14 [blb] -
The Parable of the Banquet
(Luke 14:15-24)
1 And answering, Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying, 2 “The kingdom of the heavens has become like a man, a king, who made a wedding feast for his son. 3 And he sent his servants to call those having been invited to the wedding feast—and they were not willing to come.
4 Again he sent other servants, saying, ‘Say to those having been invited, “Behold, I have prepared my dinner. My oxen and the fatlings have been killed, and all things are ready; come to the wedding feast.”’
5 And having paid no attention they went away, one to the own field, and one to his business. 6 And the rest, having laid hold of his servants, mistreated and killed them.
7 And the king was angry, and having sent his armies, he destroyed those murderers and burned their city. 8 Then he says to his servants, ‘Indeed the wedding feast is ready, but those having been invited were not worthy. 9 Therefore go into the thoroughfares of the highways, and invite to the wedding feast as many as you shall find.’
10 And those servants, having gone out into the highways, brought together all, as many as they found, both evil and good; and the wedding hall became full of those reclining.
11 And the king having entered in to see those reclining, he beheld a man there not being dressed in wedding clothes. 12 And he says to him, ‘Friend, how did you enter here not having a wedding garment?’
And he was speechless.
13 Then the king said to the servants, ‘Having bound his hands and feet, cast him out into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of the teeth.’
14 For many are called, but few chosen.”
[this context is regarding the "wedding FEAST" whereas Rom8 is not]
^ EDIT: I should have also underlined "to call" in verse 3 (as G2564 is used 5x in verses 3-9, not just 4x)
["and they were not willing to come"; ... vv.9-14 are regarding the FUTURE; "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" is the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (promised to Israel), so a distinct CONTEXT to that of Rom8]
["and they were not willing to come"; ... vv.9-14 are regarding the FUTURE; "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" is the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (promised to Israel), so a distinct CONTEXT to that of Rom8]
Believing is not a work of the law. Don't twist Scripture to fit your man made doctrine.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
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The above is a complete fabrication, something never alluded to, asserted or stated, a mistruth like most of your doctrine. Faith comes from God, not man, by the way.
But hey, since you're a heretical open theist, you can teach god some things, yes? Like how you fabricate things about him, and fabricate things that others haven't really said, and pretend it's all true?
But hey, since you're a heretical open theist, you can teach god some things, yes? Like how you fabricate things about him, and fabricate things that others haven't really said, and pretend it's all true?
Scripture please showing that believing is a work of the law. Thanks.
I am a King James bible believer. I believe every word. I do not hold to a doctrine made up by a RCC priest. If an "open theist" (man made term) means that I believe the bible and take it literally, then so be it. I have never heard of "open theism" until someone mentioned it on the forum.
Not one of you have given me a biblical explanation of Jonah and Nineveh. Most post things from got questions (a laughable website) or other commentaries. Read the words, believe the words, even if what's being said does not line up with your theology. Maybe a change of theology is what's needed.
I am a King James bible believer. I believe every word. I do not hold to a doctrine made up by a RCC priest. If an "open theist" (man made term) means that I believe the bible and take it literally, then so be it. I have never heard of "open theism" until someone mentioned it on the forum.
Not one of you have given me a biblical explanation of Jonah and Nineveh. Most post things from got questions (a laughable website) or other commentaries. Read the words, believe the words, even if what's being said does not line up with your theology. Maybe a change of theology is what's needed.
Ok, buts its quite a good position for a calvinist. Because we know from other places in the Bible, that the natural man cannot understand the word of God.
"But the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he is not able to understand them, because spiritually they are discerned."
1 Cor 2:14
And you will have a very difficult position now, to tell me how a natural man can work on himself to understand spiritual things naturally, without a special work of God in him. I think you will have to come with some kind of pelagian speculation.
"But the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he is not able to understand them, because spiritually they are discerned."
1 Cor 2:14
And you will have a very difficult position now, to tell me how a natural man can work on himself to understand spiritual things naturally, without a special work of God in him. I think you will have to come with some kind of pelagian speculation.
That "worketh not" is pointing to the works of the law, for Christ ended the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth.
Galatians 2:16 16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 2:16 16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Just a note... you are also quite close to socinians:
"Some philosophers and even some theologians have rather chosen to deny to God any knowledge of the detail of things and, above all, of future events, than to admit what they believed repellent to his goodness.
The Socinians and Conrad Vorstius lean towards that side; and Thomas Bonartes, an English Jesuit disguised under a pseudonym but exceedingly learned, who wrote a book De Concordia Scientiae cum Fide"
G.W. Leibniz, Theodicy
"Some philosophers and even some theologians have rather chosen to deny to God any knowledge of the detail of things and, above all, of future events, than to admit what they believed repellent to his goodness.
The Socinians and Conrad Vorstius lean towards that side; and Thomas Bonartes, an English Jesuit disguised under a pseudonym but exceedingly learned, who wrote a book De Concordia Scientiae cum Fide"
G.W. Leibniz, Theodicy
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, AND THAT not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
So right there we are told where our faith comes from. YOU didn't muster the faith up in your mind. The LORD gave you that faith.
Is the LORD in control? I have heard EVERY Christian in EVERY denomination say this. But how many truly believe it?[/QUOTE]
Thought this bore repeating.
The AND THAT is referring to the FAITH God gave us as a gift. It is important to grasp that because we need to know that it by the Faith alone, THAT HE GAVE US, we are saved. The reason is NO ONE can boast.
So we can't boast that we conjure the faith to believe through our strength and determination. It is a gift of God.
So right there we are told where our faith comes from. YOU didn't muster the faith up in your mind. The LORD gave you that faith.
Is the LORD in control? I have heard EVERY Christian in EVERY denomination say this. But how many truly believe it?[/QUOTE]
Thought this bore repeating.
The AND THAT is referring to the FAITH God gave us as a gift. It is important to grasp that because we need to know that it by the Faith alone, THAT HE GAVE US, we are saved. The reason is NO ONE can boast.
So we can't boast that we conjure the faith to believe through our strength and determination. It is a gift of God.
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^ I've read that the words need to agree in gender (and number), and we see in Eph2:8 "faith" is feminine, whereas "that/this" is not, but is neuter instead...
and then there's the context of the rest of the sentence in v.9, "not of works..." What is "not of works"? (answer: the subject of the whole idea being conveyed: "salvation")
and then there's the context of the rest of the sentence in v.9, "not of works..." What is "not of works"? (answer: the subject of the whole idea being conveyed: "salvation")
No difficulty at all. Calvinists just misinterpret the text thats all.
The context reveals its talking about: "deep things of God".
Im not backed into the calvinist works corner either. Where EVERYTHING is a work and ANYTHING a human does just robs glory of God. Moses wasnt bragging when splitting the red sea. He wasnt boasting, yet GOD TOLD HIM TO DO SOMETHING to make it happen? Hmm.
"But lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thine hand over the sea, and divide it:"
The context reveals its talking about: "deep things of God".
Im not backed into the calvinist works corner either. Where EVERYTHING is a work and ANYTHING a human does just robs glory of God. Moses wasnt bragging when splitting the red sea. He wasnt boasting, yet GOD TOLD HIM TO DO SOMETHING to make it happen? Hmm.
"But lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thine hand over the sea, and divide it:"