A keeping of a sabbath is left to GOD's people

[Michael50]

Kudos to you friend, but we are not to forget that law even if individual believers worship different days, we are to establish this law by both through our Lord's death and His blood - Romans 3:31, Colossians 2:16.

We are to keep the 10 commandments and the faith of Jesus. All 10 Commandments are reinterated in the new Testament. Including the 4th Commandment.

If the Sabbath was void, I doubt that the word "sabbaths" would even have appeared in Col 2:16.

So yep,, I agree with Romans 3:31. The 10 Commandments remain in full force. Keep'em!

 

[zone]

I found some scripture that reinterates the 3rd Commandment. Here is Gods Old Testament Command:

"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord they God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain." Exodus 20:7

Here is the 3rd Commandment reinterated in the New Testament:

"That the name of God and His doctrine be not blasphemed." 1 Timothy 6:1

all the moral commandments are restated and confirmed MANY times in the New Testament - except the Sinai Saturday Sabbath.

NOT ONCE.

 

[Ariel82]

all the moral commandments are restated and confirmed MANY times in the New Testament - except the Sinai Saturday Sabbath.

NOT ONCE.

You mean that the Sabbath/rest might actually be more?

surely you jest?

Matthew 11
[SUP]25 [/SUP]At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. [SUP]27 [/SUP]All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I fail to see how posting scriptures from the Old Testament proves we should keep the Sabbath today? If you want to prove to me that I should keep the Sabbath, please show me in the New covenant, the New Testament Where it says that. Please?

It doesn't; not anywhere. One reason I started this thread was to undercut their claim that Hebrews 4:9 states we are to keep the weekly sabbath. It's obviously not saying that. That farfetched idea can only be arrived at by taking that verse out of context and stretching it really far.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

We are to keep the 10 commandments and the faith of Jesus. All 10 Commandments are reinterated in the new Testament. Including the 4th Commandment.
If the Sabbath was void, I doubt that the word "sabbaths" would even have appeared in Col 2:16.
So yep,, I agree with Romans 3:31. The 10 Commandments remain in full force. Keep'em!

It's not that the sabbath is void, but that the son of man is lord of the sabbath.

The reason that sabbaths appear in Colossians 2:16 is because, like now, there were people with weak faith.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I found some scripture that reinterates the 3rd Commandment. Here is Gods Old Testament Command:
"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord they God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain." Exodus 20:7
Here is the 3rd Commandment reinterated in the New Testament:
"That the name of God and His doctrine be not blasphemed." 1 Timothy 6:1

That's what's known as taking a verse out of context...

 

[WomanLovesTX]

Saturday is not the Sabbath and never has been. The Jews did not observe days as we do. To the Jews, the Sabbath was from Friday sundown (at the appearance of the first star) to Saturday sundown (at the appearance of the first star). If you observe Saturday as your sabbath only, then you are not strictly keeping the sabbath.

The Jews kept the Sabbath as per the Mosaic laws. As the church grew and the Holy Spirit fell upon the Gentiles, Christians began abandoning the mosaic laws. The first to go was the dietary laws (Acts 10:10-16). Circumcision (Acts 15:10) was dropped also. Later the church started to met on the "Lord's Day", Sunday and this has been the Church's tradition ever since (Col. 2:16).

As soon as change began to be embraced within the fledgling church, the Judaizers stood up and made a campaign that Christians should follow Jewish law. In these last days we see this happening all over. The cult of Seventh Day Adventism started in the late 18th century, or so. This cancer has been polluting the minds of well intentioned souls by heaping parts of the Mosaic law back on top of some who have been lead away by this false doctrine.

They ignore:
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These Judaizers ignore the advice of Jesus who said "Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. (Matt.9:17). The mosaic laws and the new covenant do not mix. Not even a patch from the Mosaic laws will work if it is over laid on the new covenant.

How do you interpret Jesus' words? Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Moses' seat is in the synagogues and from that seat only the Torah, Prophets and writings are read verbatim. When the Pharisees and Saducees were not sitting in Moses' Seat, they could give their "oral traditions" voice. This oral traditions,, that made the word of God of none effect, is what Jesus said Do Not Do!!!!

If Christians had only heeded Christ's commandment, there would not be so much pagan ideology impregnated into the modern day traditional mainstream Christian Churches.

The Mainstream Christianity teaches all about the person of Jesus, but they don't even have that right. Christ came teaching and preaching the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD. Where are the churches that are teaching and preaching Jesus' GOSPEL?

 

[Ariel82]

that is an assumption made that Jesus spoke against the "oral traditions" only.

Saul who later became Paul showed that he counted his own righteousness as rags and explained how according to the law he was blameless but when Jesus revealed Himself, he learned the GOSPEL and knew what it meant to have found a pearl beyond price. He knew what the Kingdom of Heaven was truly about and it went beyond what Saul/Paul was taught from the OT and made NO mention of "oral traditions" only being rejected, but how people who do not have the Holy Spirit are blinded when reading the OT and only able to chase after shadows and outward forms versus TRUE worship of God.

Matthew 13
[h=3][/h][SUP]45 [/SUP]“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking beautiful pearls, [SUP]46 [/SUP]who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it.

 

[Ariel82]

Philippians 3
[SUP]4 [/SUP]though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, [SUP]11 [/SUP]if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, [SUP]14 [/SUP]I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you.

 

[zone]

The Mainstream Christianity teaches all about the person of Jesus, but they don't even have that right. Christ came teaching and preaching the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD. Where are the churches that are teaching and preaching Jesus' GOSPEL?

WomanLovesTX
did Jesus say the Kingdom had come.....or is it yet to come.

 

[WomanLovesTX]

WomanLovesTX
did Jesus say the Kingdom had come.....or is it yet to come.

(Mat 3:2) And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

(Mat 4:17) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

(Mat 4:23) And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

(Mat 5:3) Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 5:10) Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 5:19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 5:20) For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 6:10) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

(Mat 6:13) And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

(Mat 6:33) But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

(Mat 7:21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

(Mat 8:11) And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 9:35) And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

(Mat 10:7) And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

(Mat 11:11) Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

(Mat 11:12) And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

(Mat 12:28) But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

(Mat 13:11) He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

(Mat 13:19) When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

(Mat 13:24) Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

(Mat 13:31) Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

(Mat 13:33) Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

(Mat 13:38) The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

(Mat 13:41) The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

(Mat 13:43) Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

(Mat 13:44) Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

(Mat 13:45) Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:

(Mat 13:47) Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

(Mat 13:52) Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

(Mat 16:19) And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

(Mat 16:28) Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

(Mat 18:1) At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

(Mat 18:3) And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 18:4) Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 18:23) Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.

(Mat 19:12) For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

(Mat 19:14) But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 19:23) Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 19:24) And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

(Mat 20:1) For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.

(Mat 21:31) Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

(Mat 21:43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

(Mat 22:2) The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

(Mat 23:13) But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

(Mat 24:14) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

(Mat 25:1) Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

(Mat 25:14) For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

(Mat 25:34) Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

(Mat 26:29) But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

(Mar 1:14) Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

(Mar 1:15) And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

(Mar 4:11) And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

(Mar 4:26) And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;

(Mar 4:30) And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?

(Mar 9:1) And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

(Mar 9:47) And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

(Mar 10:14) But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

(Mar 10:15) Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

(Mar 10:23) And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

(Mar 10:24) And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!

(Mar 10:25) It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

(Mar 11:10) Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.

(Mar 12:34) And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

(Mar 14:25) Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

(Mar 15:43) Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.

(Luk 1:33) And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

(Luk 4:43) And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

(Luk 6:20) And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.

(Luk 7:28) For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

(Luk 8:1) And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,

(Luk 8:10) And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

(Luk 9:2) And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

(Luk 9:11) And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing.

(Luk 9:27) But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

(Luk 9:60) Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

(Luk 9:62) And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

(Luk 10:9) And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

(Luk 10:11) Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

(Luk 11:2) And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

(Luk 11:20) But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

(Luk 12:31) But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.

(Luk 12:32) Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

(Luk 13:18) Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it?

(Luk 13:20) And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?

(Luk 13:28) There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

(Luk 13:29) And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

(Luk 14:15) And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.

(Luk 16:16) The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

(Luk 17:20) And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

(Luk 17:21) Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

(Luk 18:16) But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

(Luk 18:17) Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

(Luk 18:24) And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

(Luk 18:25) For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

(Luk 18:29) And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake,

(Luk 19:11) And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

(Luk 19:12) He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

(Luk 19:15) And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

(Luk 21:31) So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

(Luk 22:16) For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

(Luk 22:18) For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

(Luk 22:29) And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

(Luk 22:30) That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

(Luk 23:42) And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

(Luk 23:51) (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.

(Joh 3:3) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

(Joh 3:5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

(Joh 18:36) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

(Act 1:3) To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

(Act 1:6) When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

(Act 8:12) But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

(Act 14:22) Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

(Act 19:8) And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.

(Act 20:25) And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.

(Act 28:23) And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

(Act 28:31) Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

(Rom 14:17) For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

(1Co 4:20) For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

(1Co 6:9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

(1Co 6:10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

(1Co 15:24) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

(1Co 15:50) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

(Gal 5:21) Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

(Eph 5:5) For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

(Col 1:13) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

(Col 4:11) And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.

(1Th 2:12) That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

(2Th 1:5) Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

(2Ti 4:1) I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

(2Ti 4:18) And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

(Heb 1:8) But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

(Heb 12:28) Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

(Jas 2:5) Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

(2Pe 1:11) For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

 

[zone]

okay.
but pasting every passage with KINGDOM in it from a Red Letter Bible just muddies the water.

ex: what do you think this means:

(Act 1:6) When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?



why not just answer yes or no.



yes, the Kingdom has come - for those who believe.

thats what the Gospel is for...to save more and bring them in.

no one will be saved by the Law.
no one.

 

[Ariel82]

Hebrews 8
[h=3][/h][SUP]7 [/SUP]For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.

 

[Grandpa]

The subject here is animal sacrifices, not the Ten Commandments. The Law of animal sacrifices is the schoolmaster that brings us to Christ. It was a direct shadow of the coming perfect Sacrifice but of itself, could not pay the penalty for sin. Only Christ, the Creator of all, could give enough to forgive sin.

That particular twisting of the scripture doesn't even make sense. If the law of animal sacrifices brought us to Christ how come there aren't a bunch of people sacrificing animals and suddenly becoming aware that they don't need to sacrifice animals anymore because Christ fulfilled that particular law?

What there are a lot of, though, are people who "keep" the 10 commandments and realizing their shortcomings they come to Christ and ask Him to help them.

I didn't come to Christ because I was having problems with my animal sacrifices. I came to Christ because I was having problems keeping the 10 commandments the way He magnified them in Matthew 5.

 

[danschance]

We are to keep the 10 commandments and the faith of Jesus. All 10 Commandments are reinterated in the new Testament. Including the 4th Commandment.

If the Sabbath was void, I doubt that the word "sabbaths" would even have appeared in Col 2:16.

So yep,, I agree with Romans 3:31. The 10 Commandments remain in full force. Keep'em!

You are a nut and here is why:

Col. 2:16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbathday— (NASB)

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: (KJV)

Please note in the NASB days does not appear. The greek word is Sabbaton (Sabbath day, Sabbath or week) and it is singular, not plural.

Secondly, please note the KJV for Col. 2:16. The brackets around the word days means it does not appear in the Greek manuscripts.

Thirdly, your whole entire argument above has been flushed down into the sewer where it belongs.

You are so desperate to prove your beliefs, you will say anything even if it is pure "make-believe".

Fourthly, what does the word "reinterated" mean? You have posted this word several times and as it is spelled, it means nothing.

 

[Shiloah]

This is absurd. GOD's laws gain their validity from GOD himself.



The Hebrew word olam that is translated forever does not necessarily mean forever. I'm not going to get into a word study here, but you can research it yourself if you are interested. Olam just means vanishing point, i.e., out of sight.

And that's your argument? Yes, God's laws gain their validity from God Himself. That's where His stamp of approval comes in.

Jesus said if you love Me, keep My commandments. Revelation 14:12 says, which is basically written by Jesus Christ through John; "Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus."

It doesn't get plainer than this. Clearly Revelation is about the end times and the saints that follow Christ. Why don't you just do what He asked? Are you a saint if you don't do what He clearly asks?

 

[Ariel82]

It doesn't; not anywhere. One reason I started this thread was to undercut their claim that Hebrews 4:9 states we are to keep the weekly sabbath. It's obviously not saying that. That farfetched idea can only be arrived at by taking that verse out of context and stretching it really far.

never seen that claim.

most would not even see how Hebrews 4 has anything to do with the Sabbath rest, which is part of the problem. cuz if they admitted that Hebrews 4 addressed the Sabbath they would see these verses:

Hebrews 4
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. [SUP]9 [/SUP]There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.


[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

most would not understand the Rest spoken of here as the light that the seventh day sabbath is a shadow of.

they don't really look to deeply into these verses either:

Hebrews 11

[h=3][/h][SUP]13 [/SUP]These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them,[SUP][c][/SUP] embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. [SUP]16 [/SUP]But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.

Too many people still think in Earthly terms and think that God's people should be seeking an Earthly country. the Zionist movements reveal their lack of understanding in the above verse. They repeat the Pharisee and Saducees and scribes of Jesus day mistake of looking at what God has said in the OT with earthly eyes covered with a veil.

Luke 24: 13-32

 

[danschance]

(Mat 3:2) And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

(Mat 4:17) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

(Mat 4:23) And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

(Mat 5:3) Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 5:10) Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 5:19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 5:20) For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 6:10) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

(Mat 6:13) And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

(Mat 6:33) But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

(Mat 7:21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

(Mat 8:11) And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 9:35) And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

(Mat 10:7) And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

(Mat 11:11) Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

(Mat 11:12) And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

(Mat 12:28) But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

(Mat 13:11) He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

(Mat 13:19) When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

(Mat 13:24) Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

(Mat 13:31) Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

(Mat 13:33) Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

(Mat 13:38) The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

(Mat 13:41) The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

(Mat 13:43) Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

(Mat 13:44) Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

(Mat 13:45) Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:

(Mat 13:47) Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

(Mat 13:52) Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

(Mat 16:19) And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

(Mat 16:28) Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

(Mat 18:1) At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

(Mat 18:3) And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 18:4) Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 18:23) Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.

(Mat 19:12) For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

(Mat 19:14) But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 19:23) Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

(Mat 19:24) And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

(Mat 20:1) For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.

(Mat 21:31) Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

(Mat 21:43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

(Mat 22:2) The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

(Mat 23:13) But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

(Mat 24:14) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

(Mat 25:1) Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

(Mat 25:14) For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

(Mat 25:34) Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

(Mat 26:29) But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

(Mar 1:14) Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

(Mar 1:15) And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

(Mar 4:11) And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

(Mar 4:26) And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;

(Mar 4:30) And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?

(Mar 9:1) And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

(Mar 9:47) And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

(Mar 10:14) But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

(Mar 10:15) Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

(Mar 10:23) And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

(Mar 10:24) And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!

(Mar 10:25) It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

(Mar 11:10) Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.

(Mar 12:34) And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

(Mar 14:25) Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

(Mar 15:43) Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.
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a) What point are you trying to make with these 125 verses?

b) Do you think anyone here has read them all?

c) If your answer was no above, then why would you attempt to post "The Great Wall of Text?

d) Please note I had to delete some of the verses you posted because you reached the maximum length for a post.

 

[Shiloah]

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Who do you think wrote those ten commandments anyway, you who confess that Jesus is God?

 

[Grandpa]

It doesn't; not anywhere. One reason I started this thread was to undercut their claim that Hebrews 4:9 states we are to keep the weekly sabbath. It's obviously not saying that. That farfetched idea can only be arrived at by taking that verse out of context and stretching it really far.

Romans 9:29-33
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
[SUP]32[/SUP]Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
[SUP]33 [/SUP]As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.