A new look at Galatians

RedTent · Apr 7, 2014

The entire book of Hebrews explains how and why what Christ did for us on the cross made everything better, and for these people Hebrews was written to, to think it wasn't changed wasn't right. Many things waxed away. How the temple had been used, what the temple was, what the high priest is, blood, the entire book explains how much better Christ made it. That is in agreement with what God explains all through scripture, old and new. Even reinforcing what had been told about how the law applies to living, and the place of law in our lives. Law never could save, it wasn't meant for that ever. That is scripture. Law has absolutely no use to us for that. There are many things it is useless as.

But there is a place for law, that is also scripture. Galatians and Hebrews doesn't tell us much about the rightful place that law has in our life. But if we read Galatians to say law has no place and is done with, it is disagreeing with other scripture that says there is a place for law. God can not say in one scripture that law is destroyed by Christ and in another that law has a place in our life. Christ said it wasn't done away with, and you can be absolutely sure that if Christ said it, Paul agrees with Christ. Yet by saying that the law of Moses means every single thing that God told Moses, we are saying that Paul is denying what God is saying. That cannot be. Scripture is truth, we can rely on that. So if Christ says the law stays, then the law stays. Scripture lets us know Paul spoke God's words. God would not disagree with Christ. So Paul doesn't.

laymen · Apr 7, 2014

Gal 3:19 This passage and Paul’s whole line of reasoning from here onward through v. 25 have sometimes been mistakenly interpreted to mean that all the divinely revealed codes of laws in the OT ended with Calvary. Growing out of this interpretation is the view that in the pre-Christian era men were saved by the keeping of the law, and in the Christian Era by grace through faith. But such a view is contrary to the whole body of Scripture. God has had only one means of saving man, from Adam onward; that is, by faith in the sacrifice of our Lord. The good news of that salvation has been proclaimed to man in all ages (see Heb. 4:2). Paul has elsewhere emphatically repudiated the idea that he felt some might hastily and mistakenly draw from his writings, that grace and the gospel abolished law: “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid” (Rom. 3:31).It is evident, therefore, that whatever Paul is teaching in Gal. 3:19–25 he is not teaching the doctrine of a pre-Christian era of salvation by law versus a Christian Era of salvation by grace. What he is truly teaching becomes evident when two points are kept clearly in mind. First, to all Jews and those trained in the Jewish viewpoint, as were the Galatians under the Judaizing teachers, the beginnings and the heart of God’s whole revealed religion for His chosen people were the series of events at Sinai. It was at Sinai that God most literally called them out for His own and made them His peculiar people, His holy nation. The distinctive mark of that initial experience at Sinai was the announcing to Israel of the great moral code that was ever to be the standard of their lives, plus (a) civil statutes that were an interpretation and application of the moral code to the Jewish state and (b) certain statutes that were to govern the symbolic ritual of sacrifices and offerings pointing forward to the great sacrifice of Christ. The Lord had told the Israelites at Sinai that if they would be obedient to all His laws, they would eat the good of the land and be His people forever. They mistakenly though that they were able of themselves to give such obedience, and that therefore their hope of acceptance by God and of receiving an inheritance forever lay in their own efforts at keeping these laws.
The second point that must be remembered, if we are rightly to understand vs. 19–25, is this: Paul has just declared to the Galatians that long before Sinai, Abraham had received the inheritance simply by believing the promise of God, and he has emphatically added, in order to illustrate again the main premise of his epistle, that salvation is by faith alone, that nothing that happened “four hundred and thirty years after” Abraham could change the terms by which he was assured of the inheritance. Paul’s reasoning is summed up in the words: “For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise” (v. 18).
Now, to all those steeped in the Jewish viewpoint, this reasoning of Paul would seem to make pointless and meaningless the awesome drama of Sinai—the great codes of law, and the declaration of God that if they would obey these laws they would eat the good of the land. In other words, Paul’s readers would immediately ask, “Wherefore then serveth the law?”

crossnote · Apr 7, 2014

RedTent said:

The entire book of Hebrews explains how and why what Christ did for us on the cross made everything better, and for these people Hebrews was written to, to think it wasn't changed wasn't right. Many things waxed away. How the temple had been used, what the temple was, what the high priest is, blood, the entire book explains how much better Christ made it. That is in agreement with what God explains all through scripture, old and new. Even reinforcing what had been told about how the law applies to living, and the place of law in our lives. Law never could save, it wasn't meant for that ever. That is scripture. Law has absolutely no use to us for that. There are many things it is useless as.

But there is a place for law, that is also scripture. Galatians and Hebrews doesn't tell us much about the rightful place that law has in our life. But if we read Galatians to say law has no place and is done with, it is disagreeing with other scripture that says there is a place for law. God can not say in one scripture that law is destroyed by Christ and in another that law has a place in our life. Christ said it wasn't done away with, and you can be absolutely sure that if Christ said it, Paul agrees with Christ. Yet by saying that the law of Moses means every single thing that God told Moses, we are saying that Paul is denying what God is saying. That cannot be. Scripture is truth, we can rely on that. So if Christ says the law stays, then the law stays. Scripture lets us know Paul spoke God's words. God would not disagree with Christ. So Paul doesn't.

Yes the conditional Mosaic Covenant /Old has been surpassed by a New/Unconditional Covenant as Hebrews passage shows as well as Galatians.
Jesus fulfilled the Old/Conditional Covenant, you know, the covenant the Jews couldn't keep (how much less the Gentiles)

crossnote · Apr 7, 2014

Galatians 2:18-19, 21 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Which begs the question, 'why return to Mt. Sinai?

Hebrews 12:18-23 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
(For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake

But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

JGIG · Apr 7, 2014

JGIG said:

RedTent said:

[h=1]None so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see. [/h]
- Matthew Henry

RedTent · Apr 7, 2014

JGIG said:

You are telling me!! Except those blind people take a whole church to hell with them!!

It is amazing, Christ builds, demons destroy. You can spot them that way.

SarahM777 · Apr 7, 2014

RedTent said:

You're not getting it all Red. Jesus warned us to stay away from the leaven of the Pharisees. The Misha and the Talmud are the leaven of the Pharisees and we are also warned NOT to mix the darkness with the light. How much clearer does God have have to be with the warnings and yet you would IGNORE those very warnings. Yet you accuse those who are trying in love to warn you stay away from this stuff as if they are they are the enemy. They are warning you because all it can do is lead you away from the truth. It is your choice if you choose to continue to go down that path but you have been warned.

SarahM777 · Apr 7, 2014

And it take it further do you honestly think that this person is NOT going to filter history through the Talmud and the Mishna? Do you think he might very well have a bias on the history when filtering it through those things?

Vaudeville · Apr 7, 2014

RedTent said:

.Any time there is a discussion of law, the book of Galatians is quoted as proof against law.

“For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God."
"Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?"
"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery."
18 "But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law."

Yet, scripture gives verse after verse upholding law.
Romans 2:13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.

John 14:21 Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.”

Galatians 3:21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.

I found a study that explains Galatians through a thorough study of all scripture that applies, and a study of the times surrounding the letter that is almost like going back into the life of the Galatians. It isn’t an easy study, it is an outline that can take weeks to do. It isn’t for the casual Christian. It would be hard to skim it, but even that would be helpful. It is 126 pages long, packed with scriptures to look up. It is a study that could not be done before the last years archeological finds. A study that bridges the time between the people God used to explain and us.

It is written by Richard Spurlock who is a Torah observant believer in Christ. If you are anti-Semitic or deeply into opposition to anything you could label Judaism, you probably would use the study only to reinforce your beliefs, but I promise you it would be an interesting study that you would benefit from, either as for law or against it.

http://www.bereansonline.org/studies/Galatians.pdf

i read the entire study. from the depths of hell.

SarahM777 · Apr 7, 2014

And to take even further this is what Talmud says about what a Jew may do to a Christian

[SIZE=-1]III. CHRISTIANS TO BE HARMED IN LEGAL MATTERS[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]1. A JEW MAY LIE AND PERJURE HIMSELF TO CONDEMN A CHRISTIAN[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]In Babha Kama (113a) it says:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]"Our teaching is as follows: When a Jew and a Goi come into court, absolve the Jew, if you can, according to the laws of Israel. If the Goiwins, tell him that is what our laws require. If however, the Jew can be absolved according to the gentile law, absolve him and say it is due to our laws. If this cannot be done proceed callously against the Goi, as Rabbi Ischmael advises. Rabbi Akibha, however, holds that you cannot act fraudulently lest you profane the Name of God, and have a Jew commited for perjury."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]A marginal note, however, explains this qualification of Rabbi Akibha as follows:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]"The name of God is not profaned when it is not known by the Goi that the Jew has lied."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]And further on, the Babha Kama (113b) says:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]"The name of God is not profaned when, for example, a Jew lies to a Goi by saying: 'I gave something to your father, but he is dead; you must return it to me,' as long as the Goi does not know that you are lying."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]2. A JEW MAY PERJURE HIMSELF WITH A CLEAR CONSCIENCE[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]In Kallah (1b, p.18) it says:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]"She (the mother of the mamzer) said to him, 'Swear to me.' And Rabbi Akibha swore with his lips, but in his heart he invalidated his oath."[/SIZE][SIZE=-2](4)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-2](4) cf. supra, p.30[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]A similar text is found in Schabbuoth Hagahoth of Rabbi Ascher (6d):[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]"If the magistrate of a city compels Jews to swear that they will not escape from the city nor take anything out of it, they may swear falsely by saying to themselves that they will not escape today, nor take anything out of the city today only."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]* * * * *[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]IV. CHRISTIANS MUST BE HARMED IN THINGS NECESSARY FOR LIFE[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Jews must spare no means in fighting the tyrants who hold them in this Fourth Captivity in order to set themselves free. They must fight Christians with astuteness and do nothing to prevent evil from happening to them: their sick must not be cared for, Christian women in childbirth must not be helped, nor must they be saved when in danger of death.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]1. A JEW MUST ALWAYS TRY TO DECEIVE CHRISTIANS[/SIZE]
In Zohar (I, 160a) it says:

"Rabbi Jehuda said to him [Rabbi Chezkia]: 'He is to be praised who is able to free himself from the enemies of Israel, and the just are much to be praised who get free from them and fight against them.' Rabbi Chezkia asked, 'How must we fight against them?' Rabbi Jehuda said, 'By wise counsel thou shalt war against them' (Proverbs, ch. 24, 6). By what kind of war? The kind of war that every son of man must fight against his enemies, which Jacob used against Esau—by deceit and trickery whenever possible. They must be fought against without ceasing, until proper order be restored. Thus it is with satisfaction that I say we should free ourselves from them and rule over them."

2. A SICK CHRISTIAN MUST NOT BE AIDED
[SIZE=-1]In Iore Dea (158,1) it says:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]"The Akum are not to be cured, even for money, unless it would incur their enmity."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]3. A CHRISTIAN WOMAN IN CHILDBIRTH MUST NOT BE HELPED[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]In Orach Chaiim (330,2) it says:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]"No help is to be given to an Akum woman in labor on the sabbath, even in a small way, for the Sabbath must not be violated."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]4. A CHRISTIAN IN DANGER OF DEATH MUST NOT BE HELPED[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]In Choschen Ham. (425,5) it says:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]"If you see a heretic, who does not believe in the Torah, fall into a well in which there is a ladder, hurry at once and take it away and say to him 'I have to go and take my son down from a roof; I will bring the ladder back to you at once' or something else. The Kuthaei, however, who are not our enemies, who take care of the sheep of the Israelites, are not to be killed directly, but they must not be saved from death."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]And in Iore Dea (158,1) it says:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]"The Akum who are not enemies of ours must not be killed directly, nevertheless they must not be saved from danger of death. For example, if you see one of them fall into the sea, do not pull him out unless he promises to give you money."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Maimonides, in Hilkhoth Akum (X,1) says:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]"Do not have any pity for them, for it is said (Deuter. VII,2): Show no mercy unto them. Therefore, if you see an Akum in difficulty or drowning, do not go to his help. And if he is in danger of death, do not save him from death. But it is not right to kill him by your own hand by shoving them into a well or in some other way, since they are not at war with us."

~Talmud Unmasked~ Christians To Be Harmed Indirectly.
[/SIZE]

Vaudeville · Apr 7, 2014

it's unlikely those taken captive by the devil in this perversion of christianity will care about that satanic message from the jewish religion. no sign of it so far. they appear to be frontline active enemies of the christian church at this point. but is there any new thing under the sun?

galatians must be undone for them to gain any further ground in the true church. they won't. there's a curse.

RedTent · Apr 7, 2014

SarahM777 said:

And I am judged as working with the Misha and Talmud instead of working with Christ? Every word I listen to I check with scripture, I don't even know about this Misha and Talmud you harp so on. I suggest reading this study and looking at scripture to judge it, this other stuff you preach about is not scripture to look at to judge on. I think that the path that is being traveled is not in keeping with scripture, but a path laid out by demons to try to harm the church. It is saying that Paul is against the way scripture tells us to use law and to destroy it. That is a harmful path.

I am doing my very best to fight the evil forces that say that God is not to be trusted in saying that there are good uses for law, just as there are bad uses for it.

All this Misha and Talmud stuff is not of God.

SarahM777 · Apr 7, 2014

RedTent said:

Of course it's not but the man uses it as BASIS for the study. The history is being filtered through that lens. That is the point. If it OK to lie to Christians then how do you know that he is telling you the truth on the history? It's not rocket science.

RedTent · Apr 7, 2014

Vaudeville said:

Spoken as a true demon fighting God's word. The Jews get their religion from God, and God blinded their eyes to Christ for our sakes. Demons know that, but still through the ages they work to kill them as enemies. Hitler, the crusades, the ghettos. You are working to kill the church by accepting sin within it, and kill God's people who God tells us to protect. We are in the last days, and you are let loose on the world, but you are on the wrong side, the losing side.

eternally-gratefull · Apr 7, 2014

crossnote said:

RedTent,

Hebrews 8:7-13 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

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Because one covenant waxes away as God makes a New Covenant doesn't mean God is against God.

Amen.

Why would God say the old covenant had faults. If it did not?

Should we listen to God. Or listen to man?

eternally-gratefull · Apr 7, 2014

crossnote said:

They do not seem to want to discuss that..lol

eternally-gratefull · Apr 7, 2014

crossnote said:

why do people continually think they can keep it? I will never understand this.

eternally-gratefull · Apr 7, 2014

RedTent said:

No one it taking people to hell other than those trying to impose the law on Grace.

RedTent · Apr 7, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

Have you ever looked at scripture regarding the law? Made a list of what the law is for and what it is not for? Your posts are always about what it is not for, you know that part, and like demons reporting scripture to Christ in the wilderness, you report only that. But to know God, you need to also know what the law IS for, and I have never seen you post that except to say it is ONLY to point us o sin. In other words, when you know that about law, you may close your eyes to anything good it does. That is not right. And from experience with your thinking, there is no way you can know the full extent of what it is and is not for. Like the Jews being blinded to Christ, you are completely blinded to anything positive about the law. The Jews are blinded for our sakes, you are blinded so children in the word accept that there is nothing good in the law for this helps demons fight the church of God.

Least · Apr 7, 2014

SarahM777 said:

I've known Redtent for long enough to know that she doesn't partake in mystical junk. She loves Jesus, and she's doing the best she can to share the word of God.

I will never understand why people think that bullying and battering a person is alright? Do you really think that by being unkind and saying cruel things to people you will win them over to your beliefs?

Do you know that it is God who makes the changes in us, and He does the same in others?

We can only share HIS truth.

I encourage you to do a study and see what the bible says about correcting a person. Then do a study on judgement and discernment, then do a study about the words that we speak.

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