A NON-CHARISMATIC UNDERSTANDING OF TONGUES

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kaylagrl said:
So I won't be accused of putting words in your mouth what exactly does that verse have to do with people who believe tongues haven't ceased?
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1 Corinthians 10:23-24 (ASV)
23 All things are lawful; but not all things are expedient.
All things are lawful; but not all things edify.
24 Let no man seek his own, but each his neighbor's.


1 Corinthians 14:4 (ASV)
4 He that speaketh in a tongue edifieth himself;
but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.


Figure it out.
 
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notuptome said:
Context? Paul also said God in not the author of confusion. 1 Cor 14:33

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Careful! You know by disagreeing, even with just posting Scripture, to some people that is viewed as attacking and not being loving.
 
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Mathew 6:7
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And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. ]Mathew 6:7

While Mathew is not directly speaking of the tongue sign that confirms unbelief. .Those who attribute the sign to noise without meaning are doing exactly that. They repeat the matter of of calling it sign gift in vain. The sign confirms the opposite according to the foundation of the doctrine (Isaiah 28).
 
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Much has been said about speaking in tongues in this forum, but what is critical is that these "tongues" were actual languages! As a review, the gift of tongues proved very helpful to first-century Christians in preaching to those who spoke other languages. It was actually a sign to unbelievers. However, Paul, in writing to the Christian congregation at Corinth, directed that when meeting together, not all should speak in tongues, as strangers and unbelievers entering and not understanding would conclude that they were mad. He also recommended that the speaking in tongues “be limited to two or three at the most, and in turns.” However, if no one could translate, then the person speaking in a tongue was to remain silent in the congregation, speaking to himself and to God. (1Co 14:22-33) If no translating took place, his speaking in a tongue would not result in upbuilding others, for no one would listen to his speech because it would be meaningless to those unable to understand it.—1Co 14:2, 4.

Therefore, I ask this forum, have there ever been any recordings of a person speaking in "tongues" wherein the individual speaks in an actual language (as verified by a linguist) that he or she did not know prior to the speaking in "tongues" event?

God bless us all as we continue i our Biblical studies!
 
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VCO said:
1 Corinthians 10:23-24 (ASV)
23 All things are lawful; but not all things are expedient.
All things are lawful; but not all things edify.
24 Let no man seek his own, but each his neighbor's.

1 Corinthians 14:4 (ASV)
4 He that speaketh in a tongue edifieth himself;
but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.


Figure it out.
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Someone tell VCO I don't respond to people that block me and that the question wasn't to him. Also, the verses that he posted have nothing to do with the question I was asking the other poster.
 
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BibleStudent60 said:
Much has been said about speaking in tongues in this forum, but what is critical is that these "tongues" were actual languages! As a review, the gift of tongues proved very helpful to first-century Christians in preaching to those who spoke other languages. It was actually a sign to unbelievers. However, Paul, in writing to the Christian congregation at Corinth, directed that when meeting together, not all should speak in tongues, as strangers and unbelievers entering and not understanding would conclude that they were mad. He also recommended that the speaking in tongues “be limited to two or three at the most, and in turns.” However, if no one could translate, then the person speaking in a tongue was to remain silent in the congregation, speaking to himself and to God. (1Co 14:22-33) If no translating took place, his speaking in a tongue would not result in upbuilding others, for no one would listen to his speech because it would be meaningless to those unable to understand it.—1Co 14:2, 4.

Therefore, I ask this forum, have there ever been any recordings of a person speaking in "tongues" wherein the individual speaks in an actual language (as verified by a linguist) that he or she did not know prior to the speaking in "tongues" event?

God bless us all as we continue i our Biblical studies!
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You might hear something about "Angel language" As mentioned in 1 Corinthians 13. The question is, what angel?
 
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PennEd said:
You might hear something about "Angel language" As mentioned in 1 Corinthians 13. The question is, what angel?
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And how can you verify it is actually an angel and not a demon? Or for that matter, just ones own conjuring of sounds?
 
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notuptome said:
You do have a tendency to put words in the mouths of others. Man has long sought to worship God by his self will. The history of Israel illustrates this quite well.

Mt 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

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turning to insults again are you?

childish
 
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notuptome said:
Context? Paul also said God in not the author of confusion. 1 Cor 14:33

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Just because you are confused, does not mean anyone here is claiming it's from God!!
 
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BibleStudent60 said:
Much has been said about speaking in tongues in this forum, but what is critical is that these "tongues" were actual languages! As a review, the gift of tongues proved very helpful to first-century Christians in preaching to those who spoke other languages. It was actually a sign to unbelievers. However, Paul, in writing to the Christian congregation at Corinth, directed that when meeting together, not all should speak in tongues, as strangers and unbelievers entering and not understanding would conclude that they were mad. He also recommended that the speaking in tongues “be limited to two or three at the most, and in turns.” However, if no one could translate, then the person speaking in a tongue was to remain silent in the congregation, speaking to himself and to God. (1Co 14:22-33) If no translating took place, his speaking in a tongue would not result in upbuilding others, for no one would listen to his speech because it would be meaningless to those unable to understand it.—1Co 14:2, 4.

Therefore, I ask this forum, have there ever been any recordings of a person speaking in "tongues" wherein the individual speaks in an actual language (as verified by a linguist) that he or she did not know prior to the speaking in "tongues" event?

God bless us all as we continue i our Biblical studies!
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You should invite your teacher to join this site. I would love to discuss this issue with them, from the text Books and personal notes of another Bible Teacher!!
 
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BibleStudent60 said:
Much has been said about speaking in tongues in this forum, but what is critical is that these "tongues" were actual languages! As a review, the gift of tongues proved very helpful to first-century Christians in preaching to those who spoke other languages. It was actually a sign to unbelievers. However, Paul, in writing to the Christian congregation at Corinth, directed that when meeting together, not all should speak in tongues, as strangers and unbelievers entering and not understanding would conclude that they were mad. He also recommended that the speaking in tongues “be limited to two or three at the most, and in turns.” However, if no one could translate, then the person speaking in a tongue was to remain silent in the congregation, speaking to himself and to God. (1Co 14:22-33) If no translating took place, his speaking in a tongue would not result in upbuilding others, for no one would listen to his speech because it would be meaningless to those unable to understand it.—1Co 14:2, 4.

Therefore, I ask this forum, have there ever been any recordings of a person speaking in "tongues" wherein the individual speaks in an actual language (as verified by a linguist) that he or she did not know prior to the speaking in "tongues" event?

God bless us all as we continue i our Biblical studies!
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In research this has never been documented.

Research into the gift of "translation" has also been unsubstantiated.

As well, (gifted) translators actually all said different things when a Psalm was read in Hebrew.
 
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garee said:
While Mathew is not directly speaking of the tongue sign that confirms unbelief. .Those who attribute the sign to noise without meaning are doing exactly that. They repeat the matter of of calling it sign gift in vain. The sign confirms the opposite according to the foundation of the doctrine (Isaiah 28).
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So what did the sign mean in Acts 10, when there were NO unbelieving people present?
 
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UnderGrace said:
In research this has never been documented.

Research into the gift of "translation" has also been unsubstantiated.

As well, (gifted) translators actually all said different things when a Psalm was read in Hebrew.
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The aspects of faith will never be proven scientifically. God will see to that. Like science proving that God does exist. If He were to allow that, He could not require faith [belief in what we cannot see]. :cool:
 
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Lev. 123 : 12 and a half

Oh I thought we were making up random verses, my bad. :cool:
 
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BibleStudent60 said:
Therefore, I ask this forum, have there ever been any recordings of a person speaking in "tongues" wherein the individual speaks in an actual language (as verified by a linguist) that he or she did not know prior to the speaking in "tongues" event?
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As a linguist who has studied the tongues phenomenon, no, there have not been - there have been hundreds, perhaps even thousands of examples of tongues-speech studied and analyzed over the past decades; not one has ever been found to be a real, rational language, living or dead.

Modern tongues are non-cognitive non-language utterance; an entirely self-created phenomenon based primarily upon the sounds of one's native language (but may include those of any other language the speaker has been exposed to).
 
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Kavik said:
As a linguist who has studied the tongues phenomenon, no, there have not been - there have been hundreds, perhaps even thousands of examples of tongues-speech studied and analyzed over the past decades; not one has ever been found to be a real, rational language, living or dead.

Modern tongues are non-cognitive non-language utterance; an entirely self-created phenomenon based primarily upon the sounds of one's native language (but may include those of any other language the speaker has been exposed to).
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I would be very careful to scientifically disprove something plainly stated in the Bible. That is sheer arrogance and a precursor to a judgment from God. Who is to say there is not a heavenly language that no scientific approach will verify. Tread lightly. :cautious:
 
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