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Asking questions is a readily accepted teaching tool that in no way indicates that the questioner does not already know the answer; in asking, they either seek to find out if the one being questions knows the answer, and/or to spur the other to reflection which would lead to the answer. In this case, it could be that God was letting Adam and Eve know that they were lost to Him, in the same way we are lost when born in the natural state. Certainly in disobeying, they had lost the privileged relationship they had previously enjoyed with God.
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For me, I believe God has always been relating to them spirit to spirit, before the fall,
Thus, when they disobeyed God, they died spiritually and hence God could not see their spirit anymore.
That was why he asked out where are they.
Why is this important for us? When we accept Christ work on the cross for us, our spirit is now reborn into Christ divine nature. No sin that we do in our body can ever cause that spirit to die again.
As far as God is concerned, our spirit is perfect, just like Christ is.
Thus, when they disobeyed God, they died spiritually and hence God could not see their spirit anymore.
That was why he asked out where are they.
Why is this important for us? When we accept Christ work on the cross for us, our spirit is now reborn into Christ divine nature. No sin that we do in our body can ever cause that spirit to die again.
As far as God is concerned, our spirit is perfect, just like Christ is.
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There are those that God talks to warns many times but will not change. "It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife!" And they were told that person should have been removed. Yet.. to save the person Paul had already passed judgment.
"I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
We can't freely walk in sin. Always have to repent. Yes.. this still happens today. And no.. no simple believer can do this. Paul had the authority right to. He was over them.
"I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
We can't freely walk in sin. Always have to repent. Yes.. this still happens today. And no.. no simple believer can do this. Paul had the authority right to. He was over them.
Here you deny the omniscience of God.
Proverbs 15:3 The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.
Hebrews 4:13 And no creature is hidden from His sight, but all are
naked and exposed to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
Job 28:24 For He looks to the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.
Proverbs 15:3 The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.
Hebrews 4:13 And no creature is hidden from His sight, but all are
naked and exposed to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
Job 28:24 For He looks to the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.
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Thank you.....I know I am as rough as a cob, get mouthy sometimes, am brash at times, straight forward and sometimes seem angry when I am not....I just know where I have come from through Jesus, know what he has done for us and I really despise the truth being devalued, twisted, skewed, embellished etc....I may fail the Lord 1000 times a day, but I for sure love the truth God....I guess the Marine in me comes out on occasion....I apologize if I offended you the last couple of days.
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No need to apologise....God has shown me what you were doing.....it was for my own good and I thank you for it.
I have a real peace in my Spirit now....which to me means I’m on the right path that God wants me to be on.......if I am confused again I will come to you and eternally grateful.....because what you both teach is God’s word.
I won’t engage with false teacher anymore....what a waste of time...I leave them to you....you know how to handle them I don’t....my emotions still get in the way.x
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God not being able to see them? Loosely @Guojing I could see how he would no longer see them alive spiritually, but this would still interact with omniscience and sovereignty, so that would have to be factored rather clearly to say I "agree" with you. Let's not go too far off topic but perhaps you have a different wording of the same thing?
Not to say he could not see them (per se)...but that he could not see their life.
If you want to get esoteric, the words themselves could potentially have been a lament after a fashion.
Where have you gone? You are right in front of me but I cannot find you! Did you eat what I told you not to eat?
I rarely take liberties like that...it made me a bit emotional doing so, and I have felt the fall deeply more than once. It is rather heartbreaking.
Fortunately there is a "however"...John 3:16.
Not to say he could not see them (per se)...but that he could not see their life.
If you want to get esoteric, the words themselves could potentially have been a lament after a fashion.
Where have you gone? You are right in front of me but I cannot find you! Did you eat what I told you not to eat?
I rarely take liberties like that...it made me a bit emotional doing so, and I have felt the fall deeply more than once. It is rather heartbreaking.
Fortunately there is a "however"...John 3:16.
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