A reminder for the bdf

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Yes but there are some grey areas,one of which I have been reporting and asking for answers so far to no avail.

Maybe they are trying to figure the grey areas all out just like we are...:)...I like what Paul says. "To those who think they know something - they don't know it as they ought to."

No one agree with everyone on all things. I pray that I don't agree with all things "I think I know now" in 5 years as I am constantly repenting as I see new facets of the truths of Christ and my utter dependence on His life in me.
 
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LOL....good one...

"what do you mean? - if you don't agree with me and the way I and our group believes - you are heretic and a false teacher."

Martin Luther was one of those "heretics" when he said " the just shall live by faith". What do you mean - the established church of the day said? We have believed otherwise for over 1,100 years before you came.

They went "nuclear" on Luther.



Well Im glad we're not burning people at the stake anymore. But I tell ya,Ive had my derriere singed in the BDF more than once. The problem is there are absolutes in the Bible. And so there are things to me that are written in stone so to speak. Like Jesus is the Son of God. Now I come from a Pentecostal background.I believe in tongues but I dont force others to believe as I do.But invariably when I go to a tongues thread I see someone saying talking in tongues is demon possession. I mean,when you start with over the top comments where can the thread go from there but down,down,down?
 
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So we are acting as children but it will always be something that happens and BC it's out of hand we need to wise up? Please explain how this is possible seeing you say it will always be?
Excuse me for being a nosy old woman for a moment, but... huh?

I haven't kept up with the recent shorthand of texting. (I don't text. My excuse and I'm sticking with it. lol) So, could you please translate your sentence for me? I don't know what BC means, and I'm not entirely sure I would understand what you said if I did. So, for nosiness's sake (mine), could you paraphrase that in the hopes I will understand it?
 
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Holly this thread is not about your dispute with me. In all the heated debates and the attacks yes we all have acted as children the bdf is so often warned by new users to stay away from and for good reason it is not a place for the faint of heart and shows little of who God is.

We in our disputes often times forget who we are called to be and we have damaged many people in our disputes with each other and I am not one to simply sit by and do nothing this thread will likely go into the pages of the bdf as more popular threads come and take it's place but even if this is all I can do I want to help make the bdf a place to be able to discuss the things of God again.
A good start might be if you owned your part in it. You keep saying "we" in such a way as to make me believe "we" doesn't include you in your mind.

I didn't participate in that thread for many reasons, but saw it because of that padlock. (Nosy. Yes, I'm very nosy. lol) You weren't innocent.

What can you change about how you handled it?
 
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I think you missed my point:

If I, as a new member, enter the forums and see

- These are the rules: blabla

- This is our statement of faith: "Jesus died for our sins but we do not believe in _____ (ie "hyper grace" , aliens whatever else we end up discussing over and over )

... then I know that discussing _____ in this forum is pointless... , and maaaybe, just maaaybe ONE new member will refrain from starting a debate on it :p
Pffft, given the definition of the term isn't accurate, I'd still argue. :p
 

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A good start might be if you owned your part in it. You keep saying "we" in such a way as to make me believe "we" doesn't include you in your mind.

I didn't participate in that thread for many reasons, but saw it because of that padlock. (Nosy. Yes, I'm very nosy. lol) You weren't innocent.

What can you change about how you handled it?
When I say we I also include me and I have said before I am not innocent. For instance in the thread started by isit called how to catch a false grace teacher or at least I think that is what it was called lol I did not like how I replied to him throughout that thread so in the thread from last night I changed my conduct in how I responded to him.

I am just as guilty as anyone else here and I intend to change that
 
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I think you missed my point:

If I, as a new member, enter the forums and see

- These are the rules: blabla

- This is our statement of faith: "Jesus died for our sins but we do not believe in _____ (ie "hyper grace" , aliens whatever else we end up discussing over and over )

... then I know that discussing _____ in this forum is pointless... , and maaaybe, just maaaybe ONE new member will refrain from starting a debate on it :p
Doubtful it would help. Most people haven't read the rules or even clicked on the link below:

Rules - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums

The sticky at the top of some forum had listed an essential of faith, but I believe I read that the mods and admin want discussion and various positions on topics. Which is why they don't hold to "you must believe like me exactly or be called a heretic and banned" and this don't post a statement of faith as you ask.

This isn't a church but more a meeting place.

I believe the mods do great for unpaid volunteers.

The nature of debate is that people don't agree on the topic. Personally I believe a video or manual demonstrating what is acceptable and what is bankable might be helpful.

For example, people learning to talk about the topic and not the person.

I found this site about logical fallacies that many might benefit from learning and maybe avoid doing in the future...
 
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Ariel82

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I have found most people don't really care to be logical.

However some of the above techniques of "debate" are bannable like as hominem attacks.
 

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And for those of you who have not seen Oncefallen's comment about the horrid state of this forum, here it is. Post #123.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/146465-man-sin-man-righteousness-7.html


I agree with Blain, it is on the people in this forum to conduct themselves properly. If you disagree with a person or topic, you're always free to not respond or click on the thread. I think we all need to wise up and take responsibility. And instead of making threads whining about the deplorable condition of the BDF, start changing your behaviors and maybe, just maybe, this forum will start to get better.

Thanks for pointing out that link! I would have missed it otherwise! I think that from what I have seen around here before that oncefallen does not make idle threats!

I have myself been quite argumentative at times, but I hope I am learning . . .

It is actually quite simple to avoid calling others names, or saying they are not Christian, or berating them for former things they said, etc.

Probably the best thing to do when someone calls you a name is just not to respond. But our human nature is to fight back and call a name back!
 
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Thanks for pointing out that link! I would have missed it otherwise! I think that from what I have seen around here before that oncefallen does not make idle threats!

I have myself been quite argumentative at times, but I hope I am learning . . .

It is actually quite simple to avoid calling others names, or saying they are not Christian, or berating them for former things they said, etc.

Probably the best thing to do when someone calls you a name is just not to respond. But our human nature is to fight back and call a name back!
I offer them a cookie and ask if something is troubling them because most days they are smart enough not to be mudslinging.

Or ask if they would like to run through the sprinklers with me to help wash the mud off

Or just post a random picture like
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Basically, I don't take it personally because I know what they say is a lie. I trust the intelligence of those reading to see the lie and malicous posting and I don't need to defend myself for I am clothed in Christ righteousness. I know I am a vile sinner and without His blood would be condemned to hell, but He has saved me.

Therefore God will convict people if they make personal attacks, we should instead stick to discussing the topic. This showing ourselves God's children and having gained maturity and wisdom from above by walking with His Holy Spirit.

I don't ignore totally someone talking to me, but I do try and redirect the conversation back to the topic and away from the personal attacks.

People get mean when they think they aren't being heard, but if we can't answer with love it's better to be silent.

Which may explain why I am silent a lot.
 
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Chester

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I offer them a cookie and ask if something is troubling them because most days they are smart enough not to be mudslinging.

Or ask if they would like to run through the sprinklers with me to help wash the mud off

Or just post a random picture like



Basically, I don't take it personally because I know what they say is a lie. I trust the intelligence of those reading to see the lie and malicous posting and I don't need to defend myself for I am clothed in Christ righteousness. I know I am a vile sinner and without His blood would be condemned to hell, but He has saved me.

Therefore God will convict people if they make personal attacks, we should instead stick to discussing the topic. This showing ourselves God's children and having gained maturity and wisdom from above by walking with His Holy Spirit.

I don't ignore totally someone talking to me, but I do try and redirect the conversation back to the topic and away from the personal attacks.

People get mean when they think they aren't being heard, but if we can't answer with love it's better to be silent.

Which may explain why I am silent a lot.
More of you should rub off onto more of us! :)
 

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We all have our own demons we need to deal with even now in the past two days being in both those threads that caused strife and reading this one I see things I must deal with within my own heart, while maybe not the best experience it was an enlightening one.

None of us have always responded as we should and so we must be patient with those who also don't respond as they should. Many believe the bdf will not change but I disagree change no matter how drastic is possible so long as there are those who are willing to put in the effort to make that change. Remember it only takes a spark to make the fire burn
 
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BDF won't change unless acted upon by mods. The BDF is full of ego drive , self appointed teachers eager to assault people's faith, dignity, character and salvation for disagreeing with their ultra-enlightened, singular truth. Ego that big will not stop itself because it never sees it's own wrongs, only everyone else's. Makes me think of a bunch of Sauls.
I would have to disagree.

The responsibility for change isn't upon the mods and more external regulation.

It is upon each individual and accepting responsibility for our own actions and words.

We often are blind to how our words and actions affect other people.

I have learned from this forum that my words can be misunderstood and I can offend people by my actions and inaction even when my own intentions was not to cause harm.

I accept that I am often unclear, sometimes make inappropriate jokes that hurt people's feelings, maybe even make people feel left out because I greet one person more fondly than another.

I have been made aware of my many faults but also have found loving and forgiving people here.

Who we give our attention and time talking and responding to makes a difference.

I have learned working with small kids that if you praise those doing the right thing, then others will copy their behavior. However if you focus on correcting/disciplining those who do wrong then the children will start misbehaving because they notice what you pay attention too.

This we can learn to train our minds upon what is good and helpful add to threads that are edifying or started by people who truly want help instead of endlessly debating the same people over and over again.

Bdf won't change unless the members make a conscious decision to focus on fostering good and edifying threads instead of feeling the need to fix others ideas and doctrines.

We have to learn to be mature Christians not only by having a firm understanding of the bible, doctrine, and apologetics but also by our behavior, words and attitudes towards others.

Everyone has something to teach us, if we are willing to listen and pray with them. Who knows maybe we can speak words of life and truth into their lives also, but God has taught me that sometimes being silent and really listening helps more than a thousand words.

Because it helps them remember that God listens to them too.
 
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Ariel82 said:
Everyone has something to teach us, if we are willing to listen and pray with them. Who knows maybe we can speak words of life and truth into their lives also, but God has taught me that sometimes being silent and really listening helps more than a thousand words.

Because it helps them remember that God listens to them too.
Can you imagine what a blessing would be brought to God's heart if we would/could discuss Scripture without any rancor --- His children iterating and reiterating His words to each other, encouraging each other to walk worthy of the vocation wherewith we are called???

God's blessing would overflow from heaven to each of our hearts, filling us with unspeakable joy.

What a glorious sight that would be!!!
 
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The reason for this is because the bdf is a very popular forum and we simply don't have near enough mod's to moderate it they are all volunteers but there are not very many of them. We would need at least three mods in the bdf alone that are considered mature enough to mod and not abuse their power and are also on cc all the time
I can remember a time the chat rooms had too many mods, 'cause I was one of them.

I find it difficult to believe that they can't find one. I suggest they start looking. Qualified people are here.

It wouldn't be an extreme view to think they're not looking for one, because such an honest person would have to do their job & clean house, not because everyone's bad, but because it's been left undone too long & the BDF's falling apart due to lack of governance.

Try running a preschool like this.....:rolleyes:
 

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I am.. The bible says NOTHING about "hyper" grace. It speaks ONLY of GRACE. Plain, pure, simple grace. So to debate about a nonexistent thing IS rather foolish and time-wasting, is it not?


You don't know how badly I wish you were right.
 
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Stephen63 said:
It wouldn't be an extreme view to think they're not looking for one, because such an honest person would have to do their job & clean house, not because everyone's bad, but because it's been left undone too long & the BDF's falling apart due to lack of governance.
Do not blame the mods for the bad behavior going on here. Saul tried that when he disobeyed God and blamed others for his disobedience ... didn't fly then and won't fly now.

To rationalize bad behavior and blame others does not result in change.

We all need to behave in a manner fitting to a child of God Almighty.
 

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I can remember a time the chat rooms had too many mods, 'cause I was one of them.

I find it difficult to believe that they can't find one. I suggest they start looking. Qualified people are here.

It wouldn't be an extreme view to think they're not looking for one, because such an honest person would have to do their job & clean house, not because everyone's bad, but because it's been left undone too long & the BDF's falling apart due to lack of governance.

Try running a preschool like this.....:rolleyes:
lol yea maybe we should clean more house . hey do you run a preschool ? I could use some pointers lol