A serious “Oh My God” moment is coming to the United States

[psychomom]

Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal among you, which comes upon you for your testing, as though some strange thing were happening to you;
but to the degree that you share the sufferings of Christ, keep on rejoicing, so that also at the revelation of His glory you may rejoice with exultation. (1 Peter 4:11-12)

More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ,
and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,
that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death;
in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead. (Phil 3:8-11)

 

[Joshua_Generation]

The United States doesn't dominate anything, and never has.
The Philistines rule the world and always have. They are God's instrument to prove us.
The Philistines of today are known as the New World Order or Illuminati.
The United States was founded as the New Atlantis.
The United States has been marching toward a New World order since it's inception.
The Illuminati wrote the end times scenario this thread is talking about.
The bible doesn't mention any super powers... the ones from the north, south, east and west are spiritual nations not earthly countries.
There is no such thing as the "Great Tribulation" just before Jesus returns.
Almost all, if not all of Matthew 24 happened in AD 70.

So John, who wrote Revelation, is part of the Illuminati!?!?!?

WHO KNEW!

 

[BradC]

Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal among you, which comes upon you for your testing, as though some strange thing were happening to you;
but to the degree that you share the sufferings of Christ, keep on rejoicing, so that also at the revelation of His glory you may rejoice with exultation. (1 Peter 4:11-12)

More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ,
and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,
that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death;
in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead. (Phil 3:8-11)

Psychomom, just to read that passage means so much.

 

[psychomom]

Psychomom, just to read that passage means so much.

it becomes sweeter with time, no?

 

[just-me]

To be honest, there are several things that come to mind. The counter culture revolution during the Vietnam War and the selfishness of that generation really propelled the corruption, but in all honesty it was already there.

It just needed a catalyst to come out of the darkness.

We are no longer a rural and agricultural based economy anymore. I live in a very small town in rural Oklahoma and our town and those around are dying out. People who live in the country for the agricultural/rancher life style are few and far between. People move o the country now want to be left alone and really have no spiritual compass.

These small towns have more churches than grocery stores, but because of the above, all the churches together could probably fill on church in town.

Another issue is the fact that most USA protestant churches still teach the law and make relationship with Jesus a do/dont list, when the Bible completely refutes that teaching. SO we have churches filled with rules and self righteous people, who really have no understanding of Jesus and what his message really was.

My personal opinion is that the greatest issue that caused the corruption is found in Matt 24.12:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Because lawlessness is increased,most people’s love will grow cold.

The church has forgotten how to love people despite themselves. We have replaced true perfect love with rules, self righteousness, law living and perhaps the worst is what some even here state. The church is not for the lost, it is for me and my fellow country club members.

Jesus' methods matched his message, the church today has a message, but their methods of reaching do not match that message.

Jesus did 5 things on earth: preach, teach, heal, demonstrate and deliver and he did it by love.

I see most pastors today preaching against something and not for something. It is easy to preach against something, but ask one to preach for something to build their congregation into world changers and all you get is self righteous excuses and pain.

a Son or daughter of God will never be used by the kingdom until they understand the grace of God, once you understand grace, you will understand the position of righteousness and then you understand who Jesus Christ is and begin to walk out what he did. The understanding of true grace/love of God will forever change you and you will be more holy on accident than on purpose. I see a new thought coming from preachers today, that salvation is about how much you love Jesus. WRONG, it is never about our love towards Christ, it was that God loved us first [See 1 John 4.10 and 1 John 4.19]

The USA church has failed to stop the corruption, because they see wickedness and lawlessness increasing, and their love has grown cold.

these are just some random thoughts, but the most important I see as a traveling minister.

Do you think we could use a little more of the following in our culture, or is the lack thereof have something to do with moral decline in the United States?

Leviticus 19:11-18
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the Lord.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the Lord.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.

Deuteronomy 6:1-6
1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the Lord your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That thou mightest fear the Lord thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the Lord God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

And then the correct interpretation of the 1st amendment would be beneficial I'm sure.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
It is NOT the separation of church and state!

The religion we have today in this country is tolerance for corruption, which is a religion based on a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance according to corrupt law makers that are more interested in being re-elected than representing the people.

Then to hold true to the writings of our forefathers in respect to God as being the Lord of all would be beneficial.

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

 

[just-me]

The United States doesn't dominate anything, and never has.
The Philistines rule the world and always have. They are God's instrument to prove us.
The Philistines of today are known as the New World Order or Illuminati.
The United States was founded as the New Atlantis.
The United States has been marching toward a New World order since it's inception.
The Illuminati wrote the end times scenario this thread is talking about.
The bible doesn't mention any super powers... the ones from the north, south, east and west are spiritual nations not earthly countries.
There is no such thing as the "Great Tribulation" just before Jesus returns.
Almost all, if not all of Matthew 24 happened in AD 70.

You forgot to include verse 3 in Matthew 24.
"And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

The Jesus explains what will happen as a sign that shows us the preliminaries to "end of the world", and His return.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I believe there is going to be a global fall, not just the US, FOR THE WHOLE WORLD LIETH IN WICKEDNESS. When the 6th seal is loosed the whole global system will be brought down and Gods wrath shall then be poured out upon all the nations.

 

[just-me]

I believe there is going to be a global fall, not just the US, FOR THE WHOLE WORLD LIETH IN WICKEDNESS. When the 6th seal is loosed the whole global system will be brought down and Gods wrath shall then be poured out upon all the nations.

I tend to agree
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

I think the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse are already running and increasing in deception, bloodshed, certain economic failure, with diseases and continuing to gain more strength every day.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

Do you think we could use a little more of the following in our culture, or is the lack thereof have something to do with moral decline in the United States?

Leviticus 19:11-18
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the Lord.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the Lord.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.

Deuteronomy 6:1-6
1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the Lord your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That thou mightest fear the Lord thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the Lord God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

And then the correct interpretation of the 1st amendment would be beneficial I'm sure.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
It is NOT the separation of church and state!

The religion we have today in this country is tolerance for corruption, which is a religion based on a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance according to corrupt law makers that are more interested in being re-elected than representing the people.

Then to hold true to the writings of our forefathers in respect to God as being the Lord of all would be beneficial.

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

When we have pastors start preaching Jesus and true Grace and stop preaching politics we will see a major shift.

Why the church is entangled in the affairs of this life, I do not know. Why the church thinks if we can just get the right people elected it will all change. If we can enact the right laws it will change.

I believe in voting righteousness and in this country, I served this country in the military, but I do not believe for a moment that applying natural remedies to supernatural problems is the answer.

When we raise up Jesus he will draw all men unto himself, when we love as he loved us we will see fear casted out.

 

[Jak795]

When we have pastors start preaching Jesus and true Grace and stop preaching politics we will see a major shift.

Why the church is entangled in the affairs of this life, I do not know. Why the church thinks if we can just get the right people elected it will all change. If we can enact the right laws it will change.

I believe in voting righteousness and in this country, I served this country in the military, but I do not believe for a moment that applying natural remedies to supernatural problems is the answer.

When we raise up Jesus he will draw all men unto himself, when we love as he loved us we will see fear casted out.

I agree, politics in this life are trivial and change every day. The thing that matters to me most is enjoying my life with others as much as possible while walking with Jesus.

 

[just-me]

When we have pastors start preaching Jesus and true Grace and stop preaching politics we will see a major shift.

Why the church is entangled in the affairs of this life, I do not know. Why the church thinks if we can just get the right people elected it will all change. If we can enact the right laws it will change.

I believe in voting righteousness and in this country, I served this country in the military, but I do not believe for a moment that applying natural remedies to supernatural problems is the answer.

When we raise up Jesus he will draw all men unto himself, when we love as he loved us we will see fear casted out.

So the church should start teaching more grace then? How about teaching God's righteous judgment concerning cures and blessings because He doesn't change.

"Let us therefore fear, (5399) lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." Hebrews 4:1

Where do we find the instructions of love? "thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord." Leviticus 19:18
"There is no fear (5401) in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love." 1 John 4:18

These verses may seem to contradict each other but they don't.

fear 5399 to frighten, i.e. (passively) to be alarmed; by analogy, to be in awe of, i.e. revere:--be (+ sore) afraid, fear (exceedingly), reverence.
fear 5401 from a primary phebomai (to be put in fear); alarm or fright:--be afraid, + exceedingly, fear, terror.

One is human fear and the other is spiritual fear.

By the way, I was in Vietnam so I know about the military. That was during this nations decline that endorsed and tolerated moral decline during the movement of the hippie generation which is also my generation. The military was their worse enemy. Did we assist in their agenda by loving them man's way instead of God's way? "Perfect" love casts out fear, therefore let us fear.

 

[AuphirahQueen]

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[Jeff_56]

I have been surprised at the speed of the decline in the US which appears to have accelerated since Mr Obama first came to office. You are fast catching up with secular Britain.

I fear for the secular world...I fear for the world.

it was just 'hidden' before that, for over one hundred years. (the power(s) taking the usa out of the picture, step by step, planned for hundreds of years)....

obnotma was just more obvious, 'out of the closet' so to speak, as the destruction is getting closer.

yes -- most of the unaware call it 'con' theory as if stark wreck wasn't real..... go figure....

but tens of thousands of published details , known all along, confirm it while the ostriches hide their heads in the sand....

 

[Jeff_56]

You forgot to include verse 3 in Matthew 24.
"And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

The Jesus explains what will happen as a sign that shows us the preliminaries to "end of the world", and His return.

i don't think he forgot. he didn't know.

i don't know any gentiles here or elsewhere who know.

yet.

might know them later today, eh?

 

[MadParrotWoman]

As you and I know the old saying concerning the UK was "the Sun never sets on the British Empire", that is not so true, there's is the Falklands, but that is not a country, but the old Empire is old and the old gray mare ain't what she used to be.

Yes correct, the sun never did set on the British empire, we no longer have an empire.

This wasn't intended to be a side-swipe at the US, I did actually state that Britain is further down the secular line than the US, just that I have seen a decline there also. I'm friendly - I don't bite.

 

[just-me]

Think about the mindset.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/112336-blessings-law.html

#3rd page

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/112065-curse-law.html

1st page

Think about human's priority and why that is, being more concerned about curse rather than blessings.

 

[atwhatcost]

With the United States today dominating world affairs and with most world trends indicating that fulfillment of end time Bible prophecy is imminent, one has to wonder why the Bible is silent about this overwhelming superpower. The likely reason is that at the time of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy the United States is no longer a superpower. The superpowers the Bible does mention are one from the utter most parts of the North (Russia with her allies), a revived Roman Empire (Europe and some of the Middle East), the kings of the East (China and other nations from the East. Kings is plural), the king of the South (an African alliance of nations) and Babylon The Great (the final world empire of the Beast with headquarters in Babylon, Iraq). The United States cannot be identified as any of these end time world powers.

Many in the U.S. think that America is a Christian nation and that God will not allow any major judgment to come to her. That theory fails for a couple of reasons. The United States is not really a Christian nation. The United States has taken the God of Christianity out of just about everything and has inserted materialism, paganism and every lust anyone can imagine in His place. As Billy Graham was reported to have once said, "If God does not judge America He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah".

True Christians all over the world in many countries are suffering and being persecuted or killed. In reality, there are more true Christians in China than there are in the United States but the persecution against Christians in China continues. God promises to be with Christian believers through the troubles of this world; He does not promise believers the security of long life in the flesh.
It is true that God knows how to deliver His people when they please Him and when it is to their spiritual benefit that He do so. However, God may not deliver people who are identified with his name but insist on living in a sinful lifestyle. God's Church is perfected by suffering because when she gets rich and comfortable she becomes like her mother, ancient Israel. She believes she acquired it by her own idols and own efforts and she forgets the God who redeemed her. Such is the nature of the carnal man. The Laodicean church of Revelation was rich and thought they were in need of nothing, but were actually spiritually poor and blind and in darkness. This is also the state of most of those who identify with Christianity in the United States of America today.

America for the most part has now turned her back on God. Ancient Israel was God's people, but the majority of its citizens fell into corruption and God judged the whole nation and sent the whole nation into exile including the true faithful Jews within her. What then makes the United States of America exempt from judgment because it also has "some" true believers?

If it is correct that the United States is not in Bible prophecy, and is no longer a world superpower when the end time events occur, the question one might ask is how does the fall of the United States happen? The imminent dangers are clear and present for the United States of America before the biblical tribulation.

I believe Biblical prophecies indicate the great tribulation and the “fall” of the United States will come before any “rapture.”

Matthew 24:3-4, and 21-29
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

How does Bosnia fall into Bible Prophecy? How about Madagascar? Napal? One of my hubby's favorite places -- Sumatra? (Good coffee.) Australia? Scotland? Belize?

Catching my drift here? Sorry. The end times started with Christ. The Great Tribulation was Nero. I'm very tired of how my country thinks we are God's will. We're merely one of thousands of countries who have come along or stayed around. 7.2 billion people on the planet right now and the USA only holds 318 million of them. This isn't even about Belize. It's about God and his glory.

When we handle that, we don't have time to pretend "End Times" is a distant future event.

 

[iamsoandso]

When the Pilgrims first began to settle on the east coast of north America and found a people who were still in the stone-age and then saw that the tribes in south and central America were not they should have wondered why the north American Indians were not as advanced as the rest of the world. If they would have considered them as their equal instead of savages and further investigated why the north Americans were still in the stone ages they would have realized that Yellowstone kept erupting every time they were becoming advanced,but then they would have never taken their lands and built a superpower on a super volcano.

 

[just-me]

When the Pilgrims first began to settle on the east coast of north America and found a people who were still in the stone-age and then saw that the tribes in south and central America were not they should have wondered why the north American Indians were not as advanced as the rest of the world. If they would have considered them as their equal instead of savages and further investigated why the north Americans were still in the stone ages they would have realized that Yellowstone kept erupting every time they were becoming advanced,but then they would have never taken their lands and built a superpower on a super volcano.

What?

 

[iamsoandso]

What?

what!,lol,,,the last time Yellowstone erupted the "tuff" Huckleberry Ridge Tuff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia covered most of the U.S. (same thing as Pompey) but Yellowstone is so large that of the total population in the U.S. less than a few thousand will survive (Isaiah 5:14 Kjv)