A serious “Oh My God” moment is coming to the United States

[Raven7777]

I like your post Lynn, good one.
but when it comes to the law, the word talks about we are bought from the law of sin and death, not THE law itself.
we need the law to know what we are repenting of, or its a free for all.
why because anyone can come around your house and rip you off.
then i can go home and pray and say thanks Jesus for forgiving me, your grace is so cool.
Lord i wish i had the Jesus some others do, life would so easy don't you think.


Raven

 

[just-me]

Well, in Leviticus 19 it tells us in the Law of Moses to keep the various different Sabbaths. Do you keep all of the Sabbaths? Not just the weekly Sabbath. I am talking about all the Sabbaths. The Sabbath of years and the high Sabbaths. However, even if you do keep all of the Sabbaths in the Old Testament, we do not see believers in Jesus time and or today condemnng men for not obeying the Sabbath. For in the Old Testament, a man who was caught breaking the Sabbath for just carrying a bunch of sticks was put to death. Do we see this kind of enforcement in the New Testament for the Sabbath? No, of course. In fact, nowhere is the Sabbath Commands repeated or re-stressed for us to obey in the New Testament. In fact, Paul makes it clear that we are not to judge those in regards to the Sabbath days (See Colossians 2:16). For these were the handwriting of the ordinances that were against us (See verse 14 - Colossians 2:14). So this lets us know that the Leviticus 19 is not entirely binding anymore as a whole. Yes, the laws like murder, theft, adultery, idolatry, hate, and drunkenness have been repeated into the New Testament. The same can be said for Deuteronomy 6. Yes, is it loving to teach our children the Word of God? Yes, this aspect of Deuteronomy 6 is a part of loving others (Which is the 2nd greatest Command). But where in the New Testament does it tell us to write God's Commands upon the posts of one's house? Do you have God's Commandments posted on the posts of your house? Do you bind them on your hand? Are all people who are not doing so.... condemned?

In other words, we are not under the Law of Moses anymore. People do not need to be circumcised to be considered a part of God's people. Nor are we under some quasi partial Law of Moses. For Paul says we are not under the Law (Meaning, the Law of Moses). For what did Paul mean by him saying we are not under the Law? How do you interpret that verse if it is not speaking about the Law of Moses?

I never mentioned the Sabbaths and circumcision. What ever made you think of that? Sides, circumcision of the heart is in the law God gave to Moses. Mentioned 2 times in Deuteronomy. That is also a substantial part of the New Covenant. Circumcision was instilled before Israel even became a nation. Sabbaths represent ceasing form out own works and resting in Christ Jesus. That's New Covenant also.

How about he finite details of how to exact love? That's what I was referring to. See Leviticus 19:11-18 for starters. Obeying those things in the lines of loving our neighbor is certainly not being under the law. If we take it as dictation without wanting it, it is a burden we are under. If we take it as coming from a loving God, and see the character of a loving Father behind those instructions makes all the difference. That is the law of liberty.

 

[Stephen63]

What are your thoughts on how the United States used to be morally Bible oriented (for the most part) during WW2 and in the short span of 70 to 80 years, we have become so corrupt? Does it have something to do with the lack of moral Godly teaching that emanates from the modern church in the last half century ya think? How did the corruption take such a hold without it being put into check? I have many questions about how we got to this point.

It's a very long story...... This nation has had evil in it since its beginning..... While Christianity flourished in it, its birth & independence weren't planned by christians. What it has become was what was planned for it to become. You can find out by investigating the forefathers thoroughly.

 

[just-me]

Many of our next generation are joining ISIS

Isaiah 3:4-12
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbour: the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient, and the base against the honourable.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]When a man shall take hold of his brother of the house of his father, saying, Thou hast clothing, be thou our ruler, and let this ruin be under thy hand:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]In that day shall he swear, saying, I will not be an healer; for in my house is neither bread nor clothing: make me not a ruler of the people.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen: because their tongue and their doings are against the Lord, to provoke the eyes of his glory.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Say ye to the righteous, that it shall be well with him: for they shall eat the fruit of their doings.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

 

[just-me]

Children are making it a habit to dishonor their parents. This is purposeful for they are taught to do this by the liberals.

Jeremiah 2:30-32
[SUP]30 [/SUP]In vain have I smitten your children; they received no correction: your own sword hath devoured your prophets, like a destroying lion.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]O generation, see ye the word of the Lord. Have I been a wilderness unto Israel? a land of darkness? wherefore say my people, We are lords; we will come no more unto thee?
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Can a maid forget her ornaments, or a bride her attire? yet my people have forgotten me days without number.

Ezekiel 20:21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.

 

[just-me]

It's a very long story...... This nation has had evil in it since its beginning..... While Christianity flourished in it, its birth & independence weren't planned by christians. What it has become was what was planned for it to become. You can find out by investigating the forefathers thoroughly.

US History Quotes from our forefathers.

It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible. George Washington

The rights of the colonists as Christians…may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutes of the Great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament. Samuel Adams

“The United States in Congress assembled … recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States … a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools.” United States Congress 1782

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams

 

[Stephen63]

With the United States today dominating world affairs and with most world trends indicating that fulfillment of end time Bible prophecy is imminent, one has to wonder why the Bible is silent about this overwhelming superpower. The likely reason is that at the time of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy the United States is no longer a superpower. The superpowers the Bible does mention are one from the utter most parts of the North (Russia with her allies), a revived Roman Empire (Europe and some of the Middle East), the kings of the East (China and other nations from the East. Kings is plural), the king of the South (an African alliance of nations) and Babylon The Great (the final world empire of the Beast with headquarters in Babylon, Iraq). The United States cannot be identified as any of these end time world powers.

There are "other" alternatives for the US. I'm gonna think out loud a moment & toss you 2 possibilities..... only a hypothesis.
Note these facts:
Remember what happened to Nazi intelligence at the end of WWII? The SS system, weapons, scientists, military strategists, & military leaders were brought to the US & given new ID's & jobs in the govt. they were assimilated into our current system.

The original colonies were the territory of Great Britain, therefore part of the whole of the UK, regardless of its location.

WHAT IF, the US lost a war or experienced a coup d'etah putting the US into the hands of another nation? If that nation were one of the territories of biblical prophecy, we then could be included in that prophecy. Russia, for instance, is ALL the countries it seized during its wars. The UK was all the countries it seized during its wars. The Roman Empire the same.

What would the US's weapons, NSA, FBI, CIA, black ops, Big Business, & military expertise be worth to an up & coming superpower? Most nations with brains wouldn't want to destroy us..... they would want to TAKE us & everything we have & assimilate it into their nation similarly to the way we did the Nazi's.

Seeing all the coups & black ops the US has planned in the last few years to start revolutions in other countries, it could only biblically reap what it sowed if one or a couple of nations got together & did the same thing to us, yes?

Or, the elitists that staged most of the terrorists attacks on the US decide to start their own coup and combine the US with a known nation of the old Roman Empire or of the other nations listed, this could put us right in the middle of those prophecies.

Nothing can be proven, of course...... but...... IT IS FEASIBLE.

 

[Stephen63]

There is one more idea..... What is the US goes totally bankrupt, & nobody comes to our rescue? We owe China TRILLIONS....
We could be given an ultimatum to join our "lender", & become the next Hong Kong.

 

[dcontroversal]

There is one more idea..... What is the US goes totally bankrupt, & nobody comes to our rescue? We owe China TRILLIONS....
We could be given an ultimatum to join our "lender", & become the next Hong Kong.

I like your scenarios.....what about a third option.....

1. Our economy collapses and a civil war ensues
2. In the midst of a civil war our electrical grid goes down and we have lost our ability to respond militarily
3. New York goes up in a mushroom cloud and the indecision by our current leaders leaves all your young men of war in their strongholds (bases)
4. A nuclear strike by Russia instigated by the three ribs in Russia's mouth kills all of our young men of war in one hour
5. Followed by an active invasion and everyone found is thrust through with weapons that cause the people to explode down into fragments and pieces....

They come for SPOIL and....

WOE to the nation OVERSHADOWING with WINGS beyond Ethiopia which sends PAIN, SUFFERING, etc. (ambassadors) by the SEA
The HINDERMOST of the NATIONS....the LADY of the KINGDOMS...the DAUGHTER of CONFUSION......!

 

[Stephen63]

Our current problems that is dividing us against minorities, religions, politicians, & even businesses could be the spawning ground for a coup. This is exactly what happened with the recent revolutions & coups of the east. Division, misinformation, & destroying trust in govt. are keys to doing it.

 

[just-me]

There is one more idea..... What is the US goes totally bankrupt, & nobody comes to our rescue? We owe China TRILLIONS....
We could be given an ultimatum to join our "lender", & become the next Hong Kong.

I think this comment of yours is more feasible. I am thinking about Israel really. Our administration has all but cursed one of our greatest alias.

"And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed." Genesis 12:3
"For the nation and kingdom that will not serve you shall perish; those nations shall be utterly laid waste." Isaiah 60:12
"He crouched, he lay down like a lion and like a lioness; who will rouse him up? Blessed are those who bless you, and cursed are those who curse you.” Numbers 24:9

I think that the above verses tell the fate of United States. In order for Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 to happen, this country must become ineffective in world policy. Our administration is more concerned about helping the nations that hate Israel than Israel itself. I think we are doomed because of this. God is patient beyond measure, but there will come a time, if we as a nation refuse to repent from all the corruption that we have compromised with. China doesn't have our back. They are more tuned in with Russia than they are to us by far.

 

[Called4Christ]

Brothers and sisters,
This isn't intended to be a fear inducing post, just a matter of fact one. The book of Daniel, chapter 11 contained information concerning the end time. In fact, it's the only chapter in the bible that's to be "sealed until the end". Have any of you guys read the website Daniel11Truth? The author prefers to be anonymous and doesn't seem like he's just trying to scare everyone to sell a book. The website is a bit messy, but I've been studying the scriptures, and everything seems well rooted.

He lines up Daniel 11 with Revelation in accordance to the words of Jesus and says that Revelation is chronological. A lot of people believe that the first half of revelation mirrors the second, but he says this isn't the case. According to his research, we are actually in the 5th seal at this moment and the 6th seal is the rapture. I would love for you all to take a look at the information this brother has presented. Not because I'm trying to convince anyone, but because I feel he may be right. If he's right, we need to know. If you're willing, please consider discussing this. Please consider the following:



Intro from the site:

Since Daniel 11 is the only chapter in the Bible that was ‘sealed until the time of the end’, you would figure that the correct meaning would be discovered towards the ‘end’. Yet, most people use at least part of Matthew Henry’s interpretation, which was published in 1706. (see ‘History of Daniel 11’)
My interpretation breaks from the old at verse 4 and shows that Daniel 11 chronicles every empire in the Middle East, from Daniel to Armageddon. To tell the truth, I hesitated about making a ‘condensed commentary’ because it almost makes things too easy. Yet, that’s my goal. One concern was that other commentaries give short, choppy descriptions to hide their flaws. I have nothing to hide so I provide extensive details to show how each empire leads to the next. My interpretation doesn’t have gaps because it recognizes the fact that Daniel 11 describes ‘entire empires’, which as it turns out; wasn’t that many. The verses contain one or more keywords that link to each empire, in order, so even skeptics cannot deny that God has been controlling the Middle East all along.
In general, the verses span more time in the beginning and get more detailed towards the ‘end’, as you would expect from a chapter that was ‘sealed until the time of the end’.
One important aspect, of this interpretation, is that it shows we are heading towards the ‘abomination that causes desolation’, just like Jesus said. What other proof do you need?

daniel11truth.com

Youtube video of timeline:

[video=youtube;MXewroEGhBs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=367&v=MXewroEGhBs[/video]

 

[DesiredHaven]

Many of our next generation are joining ISIS

Isaiah 3:4-12
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbour: the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient, and the base against the honourable.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]When a man shall take hold of his brother of the house of his father, saying, Thou hast clothing, be thou our ruler, and let this ruin be under thy hand:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]In that day shall he swear, saying, I will not be an healer; for in my house is neither bread nor clothing: make me not a ruler of the people.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen: because their tongue and their doings are against the Lord, to provoke the eyes of his glory.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Say ye to the righteous, that it shall be well with him: for they shall eat the fruit of their doings.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

That children as princes verse always reminded me of these

1 Cr 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child:

1 Ti 1:4 Desiring to be teachers of the law;

understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

Heb 5 :15 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness:
for he is a babe.

 

[just-me]

Brothers and sisters,
This isn't intended to be a fear inducing post, just a matter of fact one. The book of Daniel, chapter 11 contained information concerning the end time. In fact, it's the only chapter in the bible that's to be "sealed until the end". Have any of you guys read the website Daniel11Truth? The author prefers to be anonymous and doesn't seem like he's just trying to scare everyone to sell a book. The website is a bit messy, but I've been studying the scriptures, and everything seems well rooted.

The man bypassed Matthew 24:3, and didn't coordinate verses 29 thru 31 with that verse. That verse (3) is very important in the calculations of Revelation and Daniel chapter 11.

 

[just-me]

That children as princes verse always reminded me of these

1 Cr 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child:

1 Ti 1:4 Desiring to be teachers of the law;

understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

Heb 5 :15 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness:
for he is a babe.

As far as being teachers of the law, the only avenue left is to totally reject it, because very few actually know it even a little. For years it has taught that it is an adversary to the grace of God. Really, who would actually know it all now days? Nevertheless, it is important for spiritual understanding. I thought of another verse while I was reading your post.

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." 1 Corinthians 13:12

Anyway, I didn't entend to derail my own thread. LOL

 

[Called4Christ]

Sorry, I'm a bit confused. Just want to make sure we're on the same page before I go digging through the website to see what he says about it.
Are you asking about Daniel 11 being connected to Matthew 24:3?
Or are you asking about the chronological nature of Matthew 24:3 compared to Revelation?

If it's the latter, he talks about that on this page:
http://daniel11truth.com/matthew-24-explained.htm
( you can just read the text I copied below: )

In a nut shell, Matthew 24 must match Revelation, because end times can only have one correct timeline. It was natural to think that Mathew 24 was chronological, and most people took it that way, throughout history, because they didn’t understand the Seals and Revelation’s timeline. However, now that the correct interpretation of the Seals has been revealed, which makes Revelation straight-forward and logical, it’s obvious that the same two groups in Revelation 7 are also in Matthew 24. The 144,000 Jews stay on earth, and get martyred in Rev. 14, but the Christians are ‘gathered’ immediately to heaven.
In the following illustration and graph, I’ve identified the three sections of the most disputed passage of Matthew 24. Clearly, verse 29 is talking about the severe distress caused by the abomination and rapture in section 1, not the extended distress, when the false prophet arrives, described in Revelation 13 (post-rapture).
Section 3 takes place simultaneously with section 2, but at the beginning, since section 3 is much shorter. When you think about it, Matthew had to write it in that order because it would have sounded strange to talk about a “gathering” by angels and then an extended distress on earth. However, that’s exactly what Revelation does with the two groups in chapter 7. Naturally, Jesus couldn’t explain as many details as Revelation does, to the disciples, but doesn’t it make sense to use the more detailed version of end times (Revelation) to interpret the vaguer (Mathew) instead of the other way around? It’s just a matter of understanding Revelation but since I show that the 1st 5 Seals are in the past (last 2000-years), Revelation is simple and straight-forward.
(See Seals page for more details) On the other hand, everyone who takes Matthew 24 to be sequential, in modern times, folds and over-laps Revelation to fit. That introduces contradictions and inevitably leaves some things out, which is forbidden in Rev. 22:19. Therefore, anyone who teaches Revelation should know that but they still do it and fail to tell unsuspecting followers.
Yet, it should be common sense not to change God’s prophecy. Jesus said, “If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” Therefore, don’t be deceived by post-tribs who twist Revelation but insist on Matt. 24 being chronological. After all, the rest of Matt. 24 (after verse 31) isn’t chronological so why do verses 29-31 have to be chronological? The answer is: “They don’t.”

 

[just-me]

Sorry, I'm a bit confused. Just want to make sure we're on the same page before I go digging through the website to see what he says about it.
Are you asking about Daniel 11 being connected to Matthew 24:3?
Or are you asking about the chronological nature of Matthew 24:3 compared to Revelation?

If it's the latter, he talks about that on this page:
http://daniel11truth.com/matthew-24-explained.htm
( you can just read the text I copied below: )

In a nut shell, Matthew 24 must match Revelation, because end times can only have one correct timeline. It was natural to think that Mathew 24 was chronological, and most people took it that way, throughout history, because they didn’t understand the Seals and Revelation’s timeline. However, now that the correct interpretation of the Seals has been revealed, which makes Revelation straight-forward and logical, it’s obvious that the same two groups in Revelation 7 are also in Matthew 24. The 144,000 Jews stay on earth, and get martyred in Rev. 14, but the Christians are ‘gathered’ immediately to heaven.
In the following illustration and graph, I’ve identified the three sections of the most disputed passage of Matthew 24. Clearly, verse 29 is talking about the severe distress caused by the abomination and rapture in section 1, not the extended distress, when the false prophet arrives, described in Revelation 13 (post-rapture).
Section 3 takes place simultaneously with section 2, but at the beginning, since section 3 is much shorter. When you think about it, Matthew had to write it in that order because it would have sounded strange to talk about a “gathering” by angels and then an extended distress on earth. However, that’s exactly what Revelation does with the two groups in chapter 7. Naturally, Jesus couldn’t explain as many details as Revelation does, to the disciples, but doesn’t it make sense to use the more detailed version of end times (Revelation) to interpret the vaguer (Mathew) instead of the other way around? It’s just a matter of understanding Revelation but since I show that the 1st 5 Seals are in the past (last 2000-years), Revelation is simple and straight-forward.
(See Seals page for more details) On the other hand, everyone who takes Matthew 24 to be sequential, in modern times, folds and over-laps Revelation to fit. That introduces contradictions and inevitably leaves some things out, which is forbidden in Rev. 22:19. Therefore, anyone who teaches Revelation should know that but they still do it and fail to tell unsuspecting followers.
Yet, it should be common sense not to change God’s prophecy. Jesus said, “If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” Therefore, don’t be deceived by post-tribs who twist Revelation but insist on Matt. 24 being chronological. After all, the rest of Matt. 24 (after verse 31) isn’t chronological so why do verses 29-31 have to be chronological? The answer is: “They don’t.”

Matthew 24:3 is the disciples asking what the signs would be for His return and also the end of the world. Then Jesus explains the signs we should be watching for in respect to these 2 things. Matthew 24:29 indicates that this tribulation is great, and the final tribulation of all times just before the sun is darkened etc. Jesus explains this with these 2 verses. This description Jesus gives is not just any tribulation period. It's the last one, and the most intense one.

Matthew 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Then Jesus begins to answer their questions as follows in relation to the verse in between these that I have quoted. Verses 29 and 30 clearly indicate chronology. Just sayin'

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24:29-33
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
[SUP]33 [/SUP]So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.


The signs that Jesus told about can be relied upon. There is also chronology with those signs. When we see all of these things come to pass, then we can fully expect verses 29 thru 31 to happen as said.

 

[MarcR]

Matthew 24:3 is the disciples asking what the signs would be for His return and also the end of the world. Then Jesus explains the signs we should be watching for in respect to these 2 things. Matthew 24:29 indicates that this tribulation is great, and the final tribulation of all times just before the sun is darkened etc. Jesus explains this with these 2 verses. This description Jesus gives is not just any tribulation period. It's the last one, and the most intense one.

Matthew 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Then Jesus begins to answer their questions as follows in relation to the verse in between these that I have quoted. Verses 29 and 30 clearly indicate chronology. Just sayin'

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24:29-33
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
[SUP]33 [/SUP]So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.


The signs that Jesus told about can be relied upon. There is also chronology with those signs. When we see all of these things come to pass, then we can fully expect verses 29 thru 31 to happen as said.

When two lunar eclipses fall on different appointed times (from Lev 23) in the same year for two consecutive years; the entire 2 year event is called a tetrad.

Tetrads have consistently marked major changes in the history of national Israel.

One occurred in 69-70 A.D. and marked the destruction of the second temple; and the dispersion of the Jewish people among the nations.


One occurred in 1947-48 A.D. and marked the rebirth of Israel as a political entity.


One occurred in 1966-67 and marked the return of the 'old city' of Jerusalem to Israeli control, ending the times of the Gentiles. (Lk 21:24).

NONE of the previous tetrads were associated with solar eclipses.


We are now in the midst of a tetrad spanning 2014-2015. This year we had a total solar eclipse on the 1st of Abib, and and a lunar eclipse with blood red moon on Passover; and we will be having a partial solar eclipse on the Feast of trumpets, and a lunar eclipse with blood red moon on the first day of the feast of tabernacles.

[SUP]29 [/SUP]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Things have not gotten especially bad for us here yet; but horrendous things have been happening in many parts of the world already and it is getting worse daily.

 

[Angela53510]

It always boogles me when people interpret eschatology in terms of the United States, a country not even mentioned in the Bible. Maybe some people need to look at countries like North Korea, or Iraq and Egypt, where there is serious and real persecution of Christians to the death.

Or look at South Korea, which sends out huge amounts of missionaries to other countries. Or China with its underground house churches that keep on growing. Instead of worrying about the morality of one country, worry about the morality of the world.

God is not slow to keep his promises, but he is not going to return because America becomes apostate. That simply is not found anywhere in the Bible.

Instead, Jesus is very clear the ONLY sign that is necessary for him to return.

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." Matt 24:14

Not only has the gospel NOT been preached to thousands of "ethne" or people groups, God has commanded US to do it! People who sit around speculating which end times scenerio is right, instead of doing the things we are commanded to do are going to realize one day that most of the scenerios were not just wrong, but they missed the boat in being part of God's marvelous plan to send the gospel into "the whole world."

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Matthew 24:3 is the disciples asking what the signs would be for His return and also the end of the world. Then Jesus explains the signs we should be watching for in respect to these 2 things. Matthew 24:29 indicates that this tribulation is great, and the final tribulation of all times just before the sun is darkened etc. Jesus explains this with these 2 verses. This description Jesus gives is not just any tribulation period. It's the last one, and the most intense one.

Matthew 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Then Jesus begins to answer their questions as follows in relation to the verse in between these that I have quoted. Verses 29 and 30 clearly indicate chronology. Just sayin'

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24:29-33
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
[SUP]33 [/SUP]So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.


The signs that Jesus told about can be relied upon. There is also chronology with those signs. When we see all of these things come to pass, then we can fully expect verses 29 thru 31 to happen as said.

What many fail to realize is that there are 2 tribulation periods....FIRST to the Jew....and then also to the Nations. When you look at all the gospel accounts you will see the First tribulation to the Jews began with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount as Jesus said, and then began the tribulation of "those days" for the Jews.

So when the Lord said "after the tribulation of those days" He was not referring to what many people refer to as the "Great Tribulation" and wrath that is to come upon the whole world. That starts after the tribulation of those days and the 6th seal=Wrath of God upon the whole world, or time of trouble upon the whole world as mentioned in Daniel.

Notice the 6th seal sign(powers of heaven shaken) happens "after the tribulation of those days"

[SUP]29 [/SUP]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (6th seal)

Luke's account confirms the tribulation of those days to the Jews and also the fullness of the Gentiles speaking of the same time frame, with the 6th seal sign being the marker which signifies the end of the first tribulation period of the Jews, and the beginning of the time of trouble such as "the world" has never seen, or beginning of the wrath of God upon the whole world.


Notice "they" is referring to the Jews in Luke 21:24-26....[SUP]24 [/SUP]And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. (6th seal)