A serious “Oh My God” moment is coming to the United States

[MarcR]

What are your thoughts on how the United States used to be morally Bible oriented (for the most part) during WW2 and in the short span of 70 to 80 years, we have become so corrupt? Does it have something to do with the lack of moral Godly teaching that emanates from the modern church in the last half century ya think? How did the corruption take such a hold without it being put into check? I have many questions about how we got to this point.

IMO there are two reasons for the Church's loss of credibility in America:


1) The single most salient teaching of Jesus, and of Paul is unearned Salvation by God's grace.

Starting with Prohibition 1920-1933 Believers have been taking upon themselves the idea that legislation is a better tool to accomplish God's purpose than evangelism.

Unpleasant things happen when we begin to think we have a better plan than God.

2) The American Humanist Association began undermining public education in the mid 1950s and the Church never challenged them when she still had the opportunity.

In fact the Church had near total control of public education until the late 1890s and we abdicated education of our children to the state without a protest.

 

[dcontroversal]

Thanks DC I will look this over.

Hey Joshua...that is Ezekiel 17....I realized I had hit the number 8...chapter 18 is incorrect as it is chapter 17....sorry...just caught it bro.

 

[atwhatcost]

if its wrote in the law not to steal. would you repent if you stole it.

however if a friend gives you a book , that you later find out to be stolen, and you know your friend never stole it, what should you do, take it back to the correct owner or keep the book. or repent etc

thats addressed to just me.

Since Just Me didn't answer, and this is one of the more interesting comments on this thread, I will.

I'd call up the original owner and ask if she wants the book back. (Chances are good, if she did, she bought it again.) If she does, I'd give her the book back and buy my friend a replacement book.

Life isn't that complicated. It's just a book. Was there some point you wanted to make?

 

[just-me]

if its wrote in the law not to steal. would you repent if you stole it.

however if a friend gives you a book , that you later find out to be stolen, and you know your friend never stole it, what should you do, take it back to the correct owner or keep the book. or repent etc

thats addressed to just me.

Since Just Me didn't answer, and this is one of the more interesting comments on this thread, I will.

I'd call up the original owner and ask if she wants the book back. (Chances are good, if she did, she bought it again.) If she does, I'd give her the book back and buy my friend a replacement book.

Life isn't that complicated. It's just a book. Was there some point you wanted to make?

I have royalscot on ignore, and that's why I didn't answer it.

So my friend gives me a book that later I know has been stolen, but only after he/she gives me the book. I still do not know who stole the book so I question myself how I knew, but I would temporarily bypass that self questioning, and endeavor to find out who stole the book after I had received it from my friend. So far so good?

I'd ask my friend if he/she knew who stole the book, and he/she would ask me how I knew the book was stolen, and follow up with another question, asking me if I was a psychic and how I knew it was stolen and he/she didn't.

Then he/she might start to think that I was accusing him/her of theft, and start to think that I thought he/she was a lying thief.

Then, if that happened, I would ask him/her how they got the book, or who gave them the book so I could find out who stole the book that I knew had been stolen.

Then after he/she told me who they received the book from I would go with them to the one who gave him/her the book to confirm that it was stolen, and how it was stolen because in the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses let every word be established.

Since I knew it was stolen after I received the book I am praying that my friend will see that I am right, confirm that they didn't steal it, and that I can find the thief if the one who gave the book to my friend didn't steal it. Sooner or later I will find out who stole the book to confirm how I found out that the book was stolen.

There is a reason I have royalscot on my ignore list. Leading questions are usually asked that make little or no sense, attempting to catch another in a supposed lie or falsehood. LOL

My point is that asking leading questions that are strictly for the one purpose of entrapment is just like a questioning Pharisee trying to trap Jesus. It is amazing to me how those who are incapable of understanding the spiritual application of the original law of God, act more like a Pharisee than others who esteem the law while accusing a person of being Pharisaical.

One can laugh it off, but this is really no laughing matter. It happens all the time.

 

[royalscot]

Since Just Me didn't answer, and this is one of the more interesting comments on this thread, I will.

I'd call up the original owner and ask if she wants the book back. (Chances are good, if she did, she bought it again.) If she does, I'd give her the book back and buy my friend a replacement book.

Life isn't that complicated. It's just a book. Was there some point you wanted to make?

then take the old testament ,out your bible and take it back. to the people the romans stole these books by war.
that why he never responded.

 

[just-me]

Take a look at Baltimore. What happened there? The city council tells the police to keep their distance so they, and the clergy can talk and pray with the protesters. The cops continue to back off, and the city continues to be pillaged and burned. If the cause of this is the church not preaching enough grace, could one say that the hearers of the Word will be more graceful to the business owners and the police? If law enforcement is told to vacate because of the lawless, what will be the end result?

It seems we have gotten to the point that big city law enforcement and councils don't even know God's law because the church does not minister it, let alone secular law, in order to achieve peace. My question is, 'if the law is for the lawless, what in the world causes us to think that the church needing to preach more grace will bring peace and hold off the judgment that is now being exacted upon a rebellious nation?' It's in our face and many religious people still hold to the separation of church and state. Think about God's way to deter crime. It would work because it's right!!!

The Bible calls people who tolerate corruption, and drug dealers (wizards) are also worshipers of Molech. Do we tolerate/compromise in the name of love and grace?
Leviticus 20:2-8
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the Lord your God.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the Lord which sanctify you.

Sanctify = set apart as or declare holy; consecrate, make legitimate or binding by religious sanction, and free from sin; purify.

Deuteronomy 13:1-5
1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, [SUP]
2 [/SUP]And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

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[just-me]

Is the church within a nation not to be compared with the watchman in Ezekiel 33:2-10

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel; Thus ye speak, saying, If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live?

 

[just-me]

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[Joshua_Generation]

Hey Joshua...that is Ezekiel 17....I realized I had hit the number 8...chapter 18 is incorrect as it is chapter 17....sorry...just caught it bro.

thank you sir

 

[royalscot]

I have royalscot on ignore, and that's why I didn't answer it.

So my friend gives me a book that later I know has been stolen, but only after he/she gives me the book. I still do not know who stole the book so I question myself how I knew, but I would temporarily bypass that self questioning, and endeavor to find out who stole the book after I had received it from my friend. So far so good?

I'd ask my friend if he/she knew who stole the book, and he/she would ask me how I knew the book was stolen, and follow up with another question, asking me if I was a psychic and how I knew it was stolen and he/she didn't.

Then he/she might start to think that I was accusing him/her of theft, and start to think that I thought he/she was a lying thief.

Then, if that happened, I would ask him/her how they got the book, or who gave them the book so I could find out who stole the book that I knew had been stolen.

Then after he/she told me who they received the book from I would go with them to the one who gave him/her the book to confirm that it was stolen, and how it was stolen because in the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses let every word be established.

Since I knew it was stolen after I received the book I am praying that my friend will see that I am right, confirm that they didn't steal it, and that I can find the thief if the one who gave the book to my friend didn't steal it. Sooner or later I will find out who stole the book to confirm how I found out that the book was stolen.
then how am i to know this.
There is a reason I have royalscot on my ignore list. Leading questions are usually asked that make little or no sense, attempting to catch another in a supposed lie or falsehood.

false hood is putting things under cover, and pretending they dont exist; just like acts15 dose not exist to you. or when did cornelius repent.
they point of asking this question is two folds,

1)how can a legalist claim to follow the whole law, yet has no understand to how the bible was put in place or came about, in the first place.

2)yet reads from a stolen book to preach about a law that he reads from that book. .

1 "Judge not, that you be not judged.2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye?5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.Matthew 7


you have a false point now. , see blind eye only see entrapment,

My point is that asking leading questions that are strictly for the one purpose of entrapment is just like a questioning Pharisee trying to trap Jesus. It is amazing to me how those who are incapable of understanding the spiritual application of the original law of God, act more like a Pharisee than others who esteem the law while accusing a person of being Pharisaical.
here you just proved , how to deal with some one. you disagree with. who is blind now.
One can laugh it off, but this is really no laughing matter. It happens all the time.

i am already laughing it off, the difference between a stupid question and a profound question to you is block them, and try to
try bring false understanding and justification to your own actions.


there is you problem , it was never used for entrapment, but to show the difference between what paul said..here
13 And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.Galatians 2

we are gentiles.

the problem with fruit pickers , they dont understand the meaning of forgive to be forgiven.

how can a double edge sword produce a one sided fruit.

0 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them."11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith."12 But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them."13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us---for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"---14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

3 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.27



and if the law is a school teacher ,what kind of school teacher is it to be, ie history teacher, or action teacher.


when did it say use someone else s heart, soul or strength or mind. but your own.
27 And he answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself."

35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil.36 Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.Luke 6

i could go on. just because you disagree with an other, it dose not stop you being a part of the body of christ.
in his blindness ,only go s to show what fruit he will reap.



1 "Judge not, that you be not judged.2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you

 

[sassylady]

The decline of America did not start with President Obama and he is following orders of those in high places of darkness. Remember President Obama, he is related to few of former presidents because it is a family affair. The joke is on the masses of folks there is no two parties just one party. Slavery for the masses of folks globally. America folks are sleepers, zombies, walking dead, confuse, distractions, mind controlled by television, media, subliminal messages, and chattel to the ELITE! The ELITE knows how to control the masses of folks in America because the chattel still do not understand the tactics of the Elite.

1. Noticed that dividing the races with hatred tactics are powerful. Racism is a strategy for the Elite. Divide and Conquer

2. Blamed the immigrants for America economic collapse. How many Americans are going to be in the hot sun bagging vegetables or fruit. Americans desire those low paying jobs?

3. Blame the MUSLIMS for everything

4. Blame the homosexuals

5. Blame the BLACK MAN for all the ills of society when the BLACK MAN has no economic power.

6. Blame the WOMAN because she ate the fruit from the tree.

7. Blame Satan or the devil for woes, chaos or ills of the world when the man is making the decision within his heart to do wrong. Man became his own god in the Garden blame the woman for his decision.

All the famous pastors are quiet of the ills of world because they are part of the CORRUPT SYSTEM!

Evilness begins in the heart of man.

I weep for the liberty of my country when I see at this early day of its successful experiment that corruption has been imputed to many members of the House of Representatives, and the rights of the people have been bartered for promises of office.
Andrew Jackson

It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their own selfish purposes.
Andrew Jackson

It didn't start with Obama but has certainly accelerated since he has been in office.

 

[just-me]

We have heard that the "greatest generation" was born around the 1920's and 30's and living during the 2nd world war. What did they teach the generation of the 60's who were born in the late 40's and early 50's? I don't think they were so great, but I don't blame them really, for every person will bear their own burden. Galatians 6:5. How did the principles of the Almighty God begin waning away in this country?

“It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.”
- George Washington

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable.”
- George Washington

True religion affords to government its surest support. - George Washington

The name of the Lord (says the Scripture) is a strong tower; thither the righteous flee and are safe (Proverbs 18:10). Let us secure His favor and He will lead us through the journey of this life and at length receive us to a better.
Samuel Adams

The rights of the colonists as Christians…may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutes of the Great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament.
Samuel Adams

 

[Jason0047]

The moral decline of America and the church here in America was predicted by the Scriptures. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 is saying there are going to be those who will have a form of Godliness, but they deny the power thereof. They will commit various different sins as if that is normal or something for a believer to live that way. There are many here in who I argue with who appear to be against God's righteousness taught in the Bible. As if morality was a bad thing or something.

For I do not believe Christians are lawless. For Paul says we establish the Law. However, are we establishing the Law of Moses? No. I do not believe the Law of Moses is still binding. Various Scriptures make this fact obvious. Hebrews 7:11-12, Hebrews 8:13. Colossians 2:14. In Romans chapter 7: Paul was talking from his perspective as a Jew who was justified by the OT Law before he became a Christian. So when he says the law is holy and good, he is speaking in terms of trying to obey the OT Law as a Pre-Christian or as a Jew. He is also speaking in terms of trying to obey the Law without Jesus Christ, too. For there is Law in the New Testament. It's just not the Law of Moses. For how could the Law of Moses still be in effect today? The Law of Moses conflicts with the Commands given to us in the New Testament in several places. Jesus said to turn the other cheek instead of an eye for an eye. We do not seek to build a temple so as to re-institute the animals sacrifices and the priesthood again. Jesus Christ is our Lamb and He is our Heavenly High Priest. Peter is told to eat unclean animals in the New Testament. Jesus said it is easier for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle than it is for a richman to enter the kingdom of God. Yet, in the Old Testament, God blessed certain men of God with material wealth. So clearly there is a change that has happened between the Old Testament and the New Testament. Paul actually says if we seek to be justified by the Law, we have fallen from grace. This means, if we seek to go back to the Old ways, we are nullifying what Christ has done on the cross; We would be ignoring the New Covenant that was implemented with his death.

 

[Jason0047]

Also, saying.... "Oh my *&#" is taking God's name in vain. People of the world say that phrase as an expression of being surprised, shocked, or as a form of disbelief. This phrase (that is spoken by those of this world) is not said as a means of expressing affection/worship towards God or calling upon the Lord. So I would not repeat or copy what the phrases of what the world likes to use.

I say this not to wound you, my friend.
But I say this in truth and in love.

 

[Galahad]

I have been surprised at the speed of the decline in the US which appears to have accelerated since Mr Obama first came to office. You are fast catching up with secular Britain.

I fear for the secular world...I fear for the world.

Oh no. Remember, the Lord God Almighty. He reigns.

The world is passing away.

The world cannot destroy the faithful.

Paul told Timothy that people will become worse and worse.

Jesus is Savior. Jesus is King of kings, Lord of lords.

 

[just-me]

Also, saying.... "Oh my *&#" is taking God's name in vain. People of the world say that phrase as an expression of being surprised, shocked, or as a form of disbelief. This phrase (that is spoken by those of this world) is not said as a means of expressing affection/worship towards God or calling upon the Lord. So I would not repeat or copy what the phrases of what the world likes to use.

I say this not to wound you, my friend.
But I say this in truth and in love.

I presented that phrase to indicate that when things go bad, and we finally see that we are not raptured out before all the bad things that are coming, that many will be praying and actually talking with God for real, and very sincerely, not just saying it as as some sort of slang. Thanks for mentioning that.

 

[just-me]

The moral decline of America and the church here in America was predicted by the Scriptures. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 is saying there are going to be those who will have a form of Godliness, but they deny the power thereof. They will commit various different sins as if that is normal or something for a believer to live that way. There are many here in who I argue with who appear to be against God's righteousness taught in the Bible. As if morality was a bad thing or something.

For I do not believe Christians are lawless. For Paul says we establish the Law. However, are we establishing the Law of Moses? No. I do not believe the Law of Moses is still binding. Various Scriptures make this fact obvious. Hebrews 7:11-12, Hebrews 8:13. Colossians 2:14. In Romans chapter 7: Paul was talking from his perspective as a Jew who was justified by the OT Law before he became a Christian. So when he says the law is holy and good, he is speaking in terms of trying to obey the OT Law as a Pre-Christian or as a Jew. He is also speaking in terms of trying to obey the Law without Jesus Christ, too. For there is Law in the New Testament. It's just not the Law of Moses. For how could the Law of Moses still be in effect today? The Law of Moses conflicts with the Commands given to us in the New Testament in several places. Jesus said to turn the other cheek instead of an eye for an eye. We do not seek to build a temple so as to re-institute the animals sacrifices and the priesthood again. Jesus Christ is our Lamb and He is our Heavenly High Priest. Peter is told to eat unclean animals in the New Testament. Jesus said it is easier for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle than it is for a richman to enter the kingdom of God. Yet, in the Old Testament, God blessed certain men of God with material wealth. So clearly there is a change that has happened between the Old Testament and the New Testament. Paul actually says if we seek to be justified by the Law, we have fallen from grace. This means, if we seek to go back to the Old ways, we are nullifying what Christ has done on the cross; We would be ignoring the New Covenant that was implemented with his death.

The sacrificial law has been completed through Christ Jesus. The responsibility we have, is to reciprocate accordingly. If we are not bound to fulfill our obligation to the law, then we also are not obligated to love according to the instructions of how to love that are given in the law. All Christians should realize that the law entails two parts, God, and us in a relationship through Christ Jesus. Jesus is our sacrifice, and we are to present ourselves to Him and that is our reasonable service. Christ did His part and to have a good relationship with Him in love we must do our part otherwise we are not in His will. I believe the reason for the moral decline in our country is that the church has ministered to reject our part of the law that details the loving relationship toward God and man. Jesus' law is the same as His Father's. The instructions of how to love in detail are written in the law. See Leviticus 19 and Deuteronomy 6 for beginners. Take a look. God bless you, and see Christ's part and also our part in this divine relationship in the New Covenant.

 

[Jason0047]

The sacrificial law has been completed through Christ Jesus. The responsibility we have, is to reciprocate accordingly. If we are not bound to fulfill our obligation to the law, then we also are not obligated to love according to the instructions of how to love that are given in the law. All Christians should realize that the law entails two parts, God, and us in a relationship through Christ Jesus. Jesus is our sacrifice, and we are to present ourselves to Him and that is our reasonable service. Christ did His part and to have a good relationship with Him in love we must do our part otherwise we are not in His will. I believe the reason for the moral decline in our country is that the church has ministered to reject our part of the law that details the loving relationship toward God and man. Jesus' law is the same as His Father's. The instructions of how to love in detail are written in the law. See Leviticus 19 and Deuteronomy 6 for beginners. Take a look. God bless you, and see Christ's part and also our part in this divine relationship in the New Covenant.

Well, in Leviticus 19 it tells us in the Law of Moses to keep the various different Sabbaths. Do you keep all of the Sabbaths? Not just the weekly Sabbath. I am talking about all the Sabbaths. The Sabbath of years and the high Sabbaths. However, even if you do keep all of the Sabbaths in the Old Testament, we do not see believers in Jesus time and or today condemnng men for not obeying the Sabbath. For in the Old Testament, a man who was caught breaking the Sabbath for just carrying a bunch of sticks was put to death. Do we see this kind of enforcement in the New Testament for the Sabbath? No, of course. In fact, nowhere is the Sabbath Commands repeated or re-stressed for us to obey in the New Testament. In fact, Paul makes it clear that we are not to judge those in regards to the Sabbath days (See Colossians 2:16). For these were the handwriting of the ordinances that were against us (See verse 14 - Colossians 2:14). So this lets us know that the Leviticus 19 is not entirely binding anymore as a whole. Yes, the laws like murder, theft, adultery, idolatry, hate, and drunkenness have been repeated into the New Testament. The same can be said for Deuteronomy 6. Yes, is it loving to teach our children the Word of God? Yes, this aspect of Deuteronomy 6 is a part of loving others (Which is the 2nd greatest Command). But where in the New Testament does it tell us to write God's Commands upon the posts of one's house? Do you have God's Commandments posted on the posts of your house? Do you bind them on your hand? Are all people who are not doing so.... condemned?

In other words, we are not under the Law of Moses anymore. People do not need to be circumcised to be considered a part of God's people. Nor are we under some quasi partial Law of Moses. For Paul says we are not under the Law (Meaning, the Law of Moses). For what did Paul mean by him saying we are not under the Law? How do you interpret that verse if it is not speaking about the Law of Moses?

 

[Jason0047]

I presented that phrase to indicate that when things go bad, and we finally see that we are not raptured out before all the bad things that are coming, that many will be praying and actually talking with God for real, and very sincerely, not just saying it as as some sort of slang. Thanks for mentioning that.

You are welcome. I am sure you will be more aware of such use of words next time, my friend.

May God bless you.

 

[Raven7777]

There is a reason America is not in scripture as a power , it is because at the time of the end they are no longer around, see all the countries listed in scripture from the Bear (Russia) to the dragon (China)
but there is not one word of a great eagle or a western power.
there can be only one answer to this, they don't exist.
Also everyone goes on about how it is a US President will be the Antichrist and this can not be any further from the truth , as the Antichrist has to come out of countries of crowns and Kings, for the Bible says out of ten nations with ten crowns will the beast rise, and America has never been a royal line like England Germany and even Russia.
So at this point in History America just might be in the way for gods great purpose and god knows what he is doing and God has to deal with even countries that do things in his name as well, meaning God has to put this right for all that has gone on, but many say it will never happen.
have to laugh at this one, God says he is not mocked we reap what we sow and this goes for countries as well we get what we give.
Rome in its early days had between 200 million to 300 million about the same as America has today and it fell.
Rome forced it policies and laws on all other races and countries all over the known world.
does this sound like anyone we know today.
we need to understand Jesus came to give glory to his father, NOT glory to us or any man.
so when Jesus defends us and pleads our case with the father, it is all based on the Gospel and salvation of what is repentance, and repentance is not about its all grace grace grace alone, to repent is to stop all the sinning, you know like lies and cheating.
Jesus himself said it, when many CHRISTIANS come to him in that day, they will say lord we did cast out devils in your name and look at the reaction from Jesus himself, read Matthew 7:13,29.
so he says it plain, it is not all grace when you will not change that is not repentance, it hedging your bets both ways as to have a grace card to get out of Jail free.
the proof is in the history, God never saved the Christians from Nero and the Lions he let it happen, but those people I just bet were greeted by Jesus personally at the gates of heaven with a big smile and he himself and walked with them to meet Dad.
repentance takes Honestly with our hearts, we can now longer afford to ignore others and the pain they are in and say we have the spirit of God.
Please understand, For years America has been a God send for the world, but it went wrong and people in Power not giving a thought to gods mind and true ways and just went out and did all they did in the lords name anyway.
all western powers are in trouble and not Just America.
please understand, i was a Church leader many years ago, in fact i did well at it and i was well liked and i even had my own radio show.
but the day came when i felt it was of God to walk out of it all and focus on Jesus and try with everything in me to be like him and i can tell you it has been the hardest thing to do and sometimes it hurts to be in the background like i am watching a wonderful country like America falling, and even watching others lose there walks in God because they do not understand for the Faith was never about Flags and countries but loyalty to Jesus and the kingdom that all of us say we belong to, as Jesus said himself, if you love me then why don't you obey me ( it is about loyalty or faithfulness.)
so just like many of you, i worry as well about America and what if they are no more.
I am an Author now i write novels to explain forgiveness and salvation and my relationship with God to the unsaved and try to be there for others around me.

so really at the end all of us will be suprised