A study on the Trinity

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Tombo

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Israel said:
Again what was created, The house or body, or the life within? I've never seen a man more wroth than you when the thought of all being saved comes into your mind. Pharaoh harden not your heart. Now if we are co-heirs with Christ, then my authority is as binding as His in Him.

I ask you. Is it lawful to forgive those who would be your enemy? Now if Jesus taught to love your enemies, would it not be hypocritical for God to only love and save those who love Him? I say then that god is no better than sinners and publicans as they do the same!


Thank God that the mentality you portray goes into the grave. It is contrary to the counsel of God.

Genesis 1:31

31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Again the bible says that ALL THINGS WORK FOR THE GOOD. Will you say that what God has declared good, will come back to Him void?
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You speak of God's love to the exclusion of His holiness. Did not God destroy the Egyptians in the Red Sea??? Did He not destroy the peoples of Sodom and Gomorrah for their perverse wickedness??? What about Ananias and Sapphira who were killed for lying to the Holy Spirit???
God is a God of great love and patience, but He is also Holy and will destroy all who are not His own. You have an idea of a wishy washy God that loves everyone no matter what sins or atrocities they commit. To you even unrepentant Hitler, Stalin, and other mass murderers will be forgiven and be in heaven.
God will save His own whom He chooses to save. He is sovereign and owes no one salvation. We don't just say "I accept you Lord" and then think we are saved based on that. God accepts us when we are saved!!!! And you teach that people need not even do that. To you, people are saved by dying. No need for Jesus, when you die you will go to heaven no matter what. What Bible do you read from, anyway?

Tom
 
2knowhim

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Tombo said:
You speak of God's love to the exclusion of His holiness. Did not God destroy the Egyptians in the Red Sea??? Did He not destroy the peoples of Sodom and Gomorrah for their perverse wickedness??? What about Ananias and Sapphira who were killed for lying to the Holy Spirit???
God is a God of great love and patience, but He is also Holy and will destroy all who are not His own. You have an idea of a wishy washy God that loves everyone no matter what sins or atrocities they commit. To you even unrepentant Hitler, Stalin, and other mass murderers will be forgiven and be in heaven.
God will save His own whom He chooses to save. He is sovereign and owes no one salvation. We don't just say "I accept you Lord" and then think we are saved based on that. God accepts us when we are saved!!!! And you teach that people need not even do that. To you, people are saved by dying. No need for Jesus, when you die you will go to heaven no matter what. What Bible do you read from, anyway?

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Tom don't you believe that God uses those like Hitler and stalin, etc. for His own purposes?

When they died, they are no longer those things anymore. And how do you know that they are Unrepentant? You are judging after the flesh, not according to Righteousness.

They were judge according to men in the flesh, but I am absolutely sure, that they shall live according
to God in the Spirit.

Can you forgive All sin Tom?...........Think about it.

Christ did.
 
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shroom2

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2knowhim said:
Tom don't you believe that God uses those like Hitler and stalin, etc. for His own purposes?
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NO! They were totally against God's purposes.

When they died, they are no longer those things anymore. And how do you know that they are Unrepentant? You are judging after the flesh, not according to Righteousness.
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They were evil men who are now dead, and will be judged at the resurrection of the unjust, and in all likelihood they will be destroyed.

They were judge according to men in the flesh, but I am absolutely sure, that they shall live according to God in the Spirit.
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You are getting your information from somewhere other than God's Word.

Can you forgive All sin Tom?...........Think about it.

Christ did.
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Unfortunately, there are people who are genuinely evil, and have and will refuse to believe. Those people will not be saved.
 
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cfultz3

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2knowhim said:
...Hitler and stalin...They were judge[d] according to men in the flesh, but I am absolutely sure, that they shall live according to God in the Spirit.
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Whaaaat???? Girrrrrrl? For real? Like totally.....

Where is the accountibility of a person's deeds? What the heck, let's party like it is 1999. Hey, we only here on earth for about 100 years, why not get what we want from the god of this world? Let's all bow to satan and get his mark. WOOOOT....it will all be forgiven......

Sorry about the absurity, but when presented with it, what else can be said
 
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Israel

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Tombo said:
You speak of God's love to the exclusion of His holiness. Did not God destroy the Egyptians in the Red Sea??? Did He not destroy the peoples of Sodom and Gomorrah for their perverse wickedness??? What about Ananias and Sapphira who were killed for lying to the Holy Spirit???
God is a God of great love and patience, but He is also Holy and will destroy all who are not His own. You have an idea of a wishy washy God that loves everyone no matter what sins or atrocities they commit. To you even unrepentant Hitler, Stalin, and other mass murderers will be forgiven and be in heaven.
God will save His own whom He chooses to save. He is sovereign and owes no one salvation. We don't just say "I accept you Lord" and then think we are saved based on that. God accepts us when we are saved!!!! And you teach that people need not even do that. To you, people are saved by dying. No need for Jesus, when you die you will go to heaven no matter what. What Bible do you read from, anyway?

Tom
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Listen to your logic. God saves "whom ever He chooses". Who's fault really is it then? Can't blame the sinner that God chose the other sinner and not him! Of what wickedness will you die of Tom? we all are brought to death because of sin.

But I say that if you knew what it is to be holy, you will bless the dead now who are in the Lord! The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath! Or do you still accuse someone like a Hitler long after he has died and payed his penalty?

I say that without a "Judas", a "Jesus" would have never been revealed as the son of God!

Deuteronomy 32:39

39See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

You say that we teach that people are saved by death and in a sense yes we do! Again the sabbath was made for man! It's a release from bondage and sin. The bible says that fear (of death) is the BEGINNING of the wisdom of God.

Beloved, Tom must die, as we all who are here today. You must be made new! And if He will make you new, God will surely make all other things new as well.
 
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Israel

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NO! They were totally against God's purposes.


They were evil men who are now dead, and will be judged at the resurrection of the unjust, and in all likelihood they will be destroyed.


You are getting your information from somewhere other than God's Word.


Unfortunately, there are people who are genuinely evil, and have and will refuse to believe. Those people will not be saved.
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cfultz3 said:
Whaaaat???? Girrrrrrl? For real? Like totally.....

Where is the accountibility of a person's deeds? What the heck, let's party like it is 1999. Hey, we only here on earth for about 100 years, why not get what we want from the god of this world? Let's all bow to satan and get his mark. WOOOOT....it will all be forgiven......

Sorry about the absurity, but when presented with it, what else can be said
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To both of you. Why did God make unclean vessels? I know you will not answer it because contradicts what you hold on to as truth! I'll give you some time before I again post this most simple answer.
 
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Tombo

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2knowhim's logic speaks for itself. Everyone sees her beliefs for what they are; LIES.

Tom
 
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Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just award for all mankind for life's justifying."



1Ti 4:9 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
1Ti 4:10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,
1Ti 4:11 especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.


2Co 5:18 And the all things are of God, who reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and did give to us the ministration of the reconciliation,
2Co 5:19 how that God was in Christ--a world reconciling to Himself, not reckoning to them their trespasses; and having put in us the word of the reconciliation,
2Co 5:20 in behalf of Christ, then, we are ambassadors, as if God were calling through us, we beseech, in behalf of Christ, `Be ye reconciled to God;'
2Co 5:21 for him who did not know sin, in our behalf He did make sin, that we may become the righteousness of God in him.

Rev 5:13 and every creature that is in the heaven, and in the earth, and under the earth, and the things that are upon the sea, and the all things in them, heard I saying, `To Him who is sitting upon the throne, and to the Lamb, is the blessing, and the honour, and the glory, and the might--to the ages of the ages!'
 
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jb

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Nice mini-study on the Trinity...:cool:
 
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dishchat

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Tombo said:
Believers are all children of God through Christ. We receive the adoption as sons through Him, because of His righteouness. But we are not sons in the sense of being Gods. We are still creatures and will forever remain so. But God was pleased to give us eternal life through His Son, and we will forever be with Him.
God bless.

Tom
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You can't live eternally if you have a beginning. Eternal life means no beginning and no ending. As long as God existed, we also existed.We are a part of God. We are Gods as Jesus is. He is the head and we are His body.
 
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Tombo

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Israel said:
Listen to your logic. God saves "whom ever He chooses". Who's fault really is it then? Can't blame the sinner that God chose the other sinner and not him! Of what wickedness will you die of Tom? we all are brought to death because of sin.

But I say that if you knew what it is to be holy, you will bless the dead now who are in the Lord! The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath! Or do you still accuse someone like a Hitler long after he has died and payed his penalty?

I say that without a "Judas", a "Jesus" would have never been revealed as the son of God!

Deuteronomy 32:39

39See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

You say that we teach that people are saved by death and in a sense yes we do! Again the sabbath was made for man! It's a release from bondage and sin. The bible says that fear (of death) is the BEGINNING of the wisdom of God.

Beloved, Tom must die, as we all who are here today. You must be made new! And if He will make you new, God will surely make all other things new as well.
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God reserves to Himself His sovereign right to save whomever He wills to save. The objection you bring against me is the same one that was leveled against Paul when he taught about God making some vessels unto honor and some to dishonor. Namely, "who can resist God's will then". But what is Paul's answer? He rebukes them for speaking back to their maker, the potter. He says "Does not God have power over the clay to make one vessel to honor and another to dishonor?" In other words, does He not have the right to save whom He wishes and to destroy the others? You must remember that all of the vessels are rotten and deserve to be destroyed. But what if God in His mercy decided to save some from among all of the rotten vessels who deserved no mercy? Will you fault God for showing mercy on whomever He chooses to show mercy to??? That is not our place to say!!!!! If we are saved and trusting in the Lord Jesus, we had better fall on our faces before the Almighty for having such compassion and mercy on us. We who are saved know that we are no better than the rest of the lost, but for reasons known only to God, He had mercy on us.
Universal salvation is foreign to the Bible. It is found nowhere in it's teachings. In fact, it is flatly denied.
You and 2knowhim worship a God of your own making. You want a safe God who does whatever you think is right and just. God will not be told how to behave or what to do by any mortal. We are to tremble before Him as the Israelites did at the base of the mountain, and who would be destroyed if they went near to climb the mountain. You two have lost respect for God's Holiness and justice against sinners. It cost Him so much to save us by sending His Son to be our sin bearer, it is just too amazing to think about!!! And yet you belittle that sacrifice by saying it doesn't matter, all will be saved anyway. You may as well pack up your Bible and stop sharing the Gospel with people then. It really would make no sense, given how you believe.
I pray that God has mercy on you two and saves you before the end comes. What you are teaching is not from God. And I'm sorry to say that you are yet in your sins.
God bless. And I don't say that lightly as a farewell, I really pray that He blesses you two with His salvation.

Tom
 
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Tombo

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jb said:
Nice mini-study on the Trinity...:cool:
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I'm sorry, I didn't have time to write you a book on the subject:D. But there are many good books about it.
God bless.


Tom
 
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Tombo

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dishchat said:
You can't live eternally if you have a beginning. Eternal life means no beginning and no ending. As long as God existed, we also existed.We are a part of God. We are Gods as Jesus is. He is the head and we are His body.
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Utter nonsense and and serious blasphemy!!!!

Tom
 
2knowhim

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Tom, have you not read?

Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.



Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
 
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cfultz3

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dishchat said:
You can't live eternally if you have a beginning. Eternal life means no beginning and no ending. As long as God existed, we also existed.We are a part of God. We are Gods as Jesus is. He is the head and we are His body.
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Dish,

The KJV used the word for G166 interchangeably for "everlasting" and "eternity" without consideration of its application. We must, for a clearer understanding of the Word, separate them ourselves. We know that "eternity" means no beginning and no end, and thus, should only be used when speaking of the Godhead. We also know that "everlasting" has a beginning but no end, and thus, should be used in that manner.

We know that we were created at a point in time. Therefore, having a beginning, we will receive an everlasting life at a point in time. There is only one "Eternal Life" and He was manifested in the flesh of Jesus.

WE ARE NOT GOD, but simply created from His Word. OH, but please consider what you say when you say we are "Gods". There is but one God. We, having a knowledge of good and evil, are gods in only that sense. Jesus absolutely was not a god, but God Himself presented in the flesh.

Without much dispute, He is the Head of the Church, and we, the members of that body. Do think of what you are saying. Reconsider such things.
 
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dishchat

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Tombo said:
Utter nonsense and and serious blasphemy!!!!

Tom
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They accused Jesus for blasphemy when He declared to be one with the Father.Why are you accusing me of blaspheming when i say that like Jesus and God the Father is one,we also and the Father are one. As long as the Father has no beginning and no ending, we also has no beginning and no ending?
 
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cfultz3 said:
Dish,

The KJV used the word for G166 interchangeably for "everlasting" and "eternity" without consideration of its application. We must, for a clearer understanding of the Word, separate them ourselves. We know that "eternity" means no beginning and no end, and thus, should only be used when speaking of the Godhead. We also know that "everlasting" has a beginning but no end, and thus, should be used in that manner.

We know that we were created at a point in time. Therefore, having a beginning, we will receive an everlasting life at a point in time. There is only one "Eternal Life" and He was manifested in the flesh of Jesus.

WE ARE NOT GOD, but simply created from His Word. OH, but please consider what you say when you say we are "Gods". There is but one God. We, having a knowledge of good and evil, are gods in only that sense. Jesus absolutely was not a god, but God Himself presented in the flesh.

Without much dispute, He is the Head of the Church, and we, the members of that body. Do think of what you are saying. Reconsider such things.
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Amen, brother!!!! For anyone here to actually think that we are, or will become, Gods in the same sense as Almighty God, they are in serious error at the least, and guilty of blasphemy at worse. We are only called gods in the sense that we are made in God's image and have been given authority over His creation. We are not now, nor will we ever be, Gods.

Tom
 
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dishchat

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cfultz3 said:
Dish,

The KJV used the word for G166 interchangeably for "everlasting" and "eternity" without consideration of its application. We must, for a clearer understanding of the Word, separate them ourselves. We know that "eternity" means no beginning and no end, and thus, should only be used when speaking of the Godhead. We also know that "everlasting" has a beginning but no end, and thus, should be used in that manner.

We know that we were created at a point in time. Therefore, having a beginning, we will receive an everlasting life at a point in time. There is only one "Eternal Life" and He was manifested in the flesh of Jesus.

WE ARE NOT GOD, but simply created from His Word. OH, but please consider what you say when you say we are "Gods". There is but one God. We, having a knowledge of good and evil, are gods in only that sense. Jesus absolutely was not a god, but God Himself presented in the flesh.

Without much dispute, He is the Head of the Church, and we, the members of that body. Do think of what you are saying. Reconsider such things.
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You say that Jesus has eternal life and we don't have eternal life but everlasting life. But we are the spouse of Jesus. Eve was in Adam.Adam and Eve were only one flesh. If eternal life was only in Jesus then we as he spouse, we have it.
 
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Israel

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Tombo said:
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God reserves to Himself His sovereign right to save whomever He wills to save. The objection you bring against me is the same one that was leveled against Paul when he taught about God making some vessels unto honor and some to dishonor. Namely, "who can resist God's will then". But what is Paul's answer? He rebukes them for speaking back to their maker, the potter. He says "Does not God have power over the clay to make one vessel to honor and another to dishonor?" In other words, does He not have the right to save whom He wishes and to destroy the others? You must remember that all of the vessels are rotten and deserve to be destroyed. But what if God in His mercy decided to save some from among all of the rotten vessels who deserved no mercy? Will you fault God for showing mercy on whomever He chooses to show mercy to??? That is not our place to say!!!!! If we are saved and trusting in the Lord Jesus, we had better fall on our faces before the Almighty for having such compassion and mercy on us. We who are saved know that we are no better than the rest of the lost, but for reasons known only to God, He had mercy on us.
Universal salvation is foreign to the Bible. It is found nowhere in it's teachings. In fact, it is flatly denied.
You and 2knowhim worship a God of your own making. You want a safe God who does whatever you think is right and just. God will not be told how to behave or what to do by any mortal. We are to tremble before Him as the Israelites did at the base of the mountain, and who would be destroyed if they went near to climb the mountain. You two have lost respect for God's Holiness and justice against sinners. It cost Him so much to save us by sending His Son to be our sin bearer, it is just too amazing to think about!!! And yet you belittle that sacrifice by saying it doesn't matter, all will be saved anyway. You may as well pack up your Bible and stop sharing the Gospel with people then. It really would make no sense, given how you believe.
I pray that God has mercy on you two and saves you before the end comes. What you are teaching is not from God. And I'm sorry to say that you are yet in your sins.
God bless. And I don't say that lightly as a farewell, I really pray that He blesses you two with His salvation.

Tom
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Was Abraham living when Jesus walked the earth? I don't understand you. How do we belittle God by saying the truth that all will be saved by the death and resurrection of Christ, but you HONOR Him by saying most will be destroyed by that very same sacrifice?


Our God takes no pleasurelol in the death of the wicked.

There are very few that teaches the gospel. You are not one of them. There is a gross darkness over the earth and the poor and oppressed are starving. I will continue to feed them life and to comfort them.

You may choose to stand before the mountain trembling in fear. I go to the throne of grace boldly!
 
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Tombo

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Israel said:
Was Abraham living when Jesus walked the earth? I don't understand you. How do we belittle God by saying the truth that all will be saved by the death and resurrection of Christ, but you HONOR Him by saying most will be destroyed by that very same sacrifice?


Our God takes no pleasurelol in the death of the wicked.

There are very few that teaches the gospel. You are not one of them. There is a gross darkness over the earth and the poor and oppressed are starving. I will continue to feed them life and to comfort them.

You may choose to stand before the mountain trembling in fear. I go to the throne of grace boldly!
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I'm curious, why do put unsure for your spiritual staus in your profile???

Tom
 
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