Adam was not deceived but chose to eat of the forbidden tree. Why?

[Magenta]

No that first sentence said by the serpent is a lie. It's very subtle though indeed the First Lie ever told. He asks a crooked question very subtly setting her up implying that God said she could eat any of the trees.. Eve did not lie at this point because she was created very good. Eve actually answered correctly, she answers the question rightly by saying that God said they could eat any of the trees, except for that tree, and that God even told them the truth that they would die if they did, which is the essence of what God said and also what actually happened to them for eating it!

God had told Adam he could eat of every tree but one, so saying God had said they could not eat of every tree is NOT a lie.

Why you call it a lie is perplexing, while you call Eve's answer honest, when she added to what we know God said to Adam.

Though the woman didn't fall for the First Lie outright, it's very subtle, the Devil trapped her spiritually setting her up in the First Lie and he weaves it together with the other two. When she answers correctly the old serpent immediately springs and strikes and casts the other two by telling her that she will not die if she eats the fruit, and then he immediately hits her with the third lie, that God doesn't want them to eat the fruit because by eating she will become like God.

What you call the first lie is not even a lie. We cannot even say Eve answered correctly.

The lie Satan told is that they would not die. Your inability to understand and stick with Scripture is concerning.

Perhaps you should read Genesis 3:4 again. Satan telling them their eyes would be opened and be like God to know
good and evil is exactly what happens, and God says the very same thing in Genesis 3:22, so it cannot be a lie.

The lie Satan told is simple. "You will not surely die." It is being repeated to this day.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

God had told Adam he could eat of every tree but one, so saying God had said they could not eat of every tree is NOT a lie.

Why you call it a lie is perplexing, while you call Eve's answer honest, when she added to what we know God said to Adam.

What you call the first lie is not even a lie. We cannot even say Eve answered correctly.

The lie Satan told is that they would not die. Your inability to understand and stick with Scripture is concerning.

Perhaps you should read Genesis 3:4 again. Satan telling them their eyes would be opened and be like God to know
good and evil is exactly what happens, and God says the very same thing in Genesis 3:22, so it cannot be a lie.

The lie Satan told is simple. "You will not surely die." It is being repeated to this day.

It is a lie because God did not say they could eat of every tree. God said there was a tree they could not eat and that if they ate they would die.

It's a lie, the first lie even and the first thing Satan ever spoke. Satan always lies when he speaks in the Bible. The third lie was also a lie. The serpent told woman the second lie that she wouldn't suffer the consequences that God told her would happen, death, and furthermore he lied and told her that she would even become like God for disobeying God and eating the fruit. That's not what happened though, their eyes were open and they knew.........the shame of their nakedness and fear!

All three verses of the serpents statements are lies, and they are the Three Lies, they are the same spirits of devils, the three lies that Satan pretty much just repeats over and over in the Bible. He tried putting them to Lord Jesus in the books of the Gospels, even the same Three Lies, but the Lord Jesus did not fall for the Three Lies.

 

[Magenta]

It is a lie because God did not say they could eat of every tree. God said there was a tree they could not eat and that if they ate they would die.

And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, but you must
not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”

To say you shall not eat of every tree is not a lie. Why you characterize it as such is baffling.

furthermore he lied and told her that she would become like God.

And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil."

 

[Webers.Home]

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It's believed by a pretty large percentage of modern Christians that the so
called fallen nature is inherited from one's biological father. Oh? From
whence did the woman get it?

She was constructed with material taken from Adam's body prior to the
forbidden fruit incident. Since himself tasted the fruit after his wife was
born; then it was impossible for Adam to pass the so-called fallen nature to
her by means of heredity.

In the past, I was sure that the chemistry of the forbidden fruit had
something to do with the first couple's altered moral perception; but now I
seriously doubt it because the woman was the first to eat the fruit, and when
she did, nothing happened. She remained just as shameless in the buff as
before. It wasn't till Adam tasted the fruit that the woman began to feel
exposed; so I'm pretty sure that the underlying cause is far more serious
than the chemistry of that fruit.

Ruling out Adam, and ruling out the fruit; we're left with two alternatives:
either God did it to the woman or the Serpent did it. My money is on the
Serpent, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2)

He has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the
human body and the human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke
13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.

The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to wield his power the moment
that Adam crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me how quickly it
takes effect. Not long after Adam tasted the fruit, he and his wife both
immediately set to work cobbling together some rudimentary aprons to
cover up their pelvic areas.

FAQ: When does the Serpent go to work on people. . . in the womb or out of
the womb?

A: Adam's wife demonstrates that the Serpent's work can be done on adults,
but I'm guessing that for most of us it's in the womb. (Ps 51:5 & 58:3)

I really have to hand it to the Serpent; he's very good at shifting blame
away from himself. For quite a few years now it's been traditional to believe
biological fathers propagate the fallen nature; when it's been the Serpent all
along. Jesus' statement: "You are of your father the Devil" wasn't idle
slander; rather, it was 100% fact. (John 8:44)

How has the Devil managed to deceive so many people for so long a time I
don't know, but what's really ironic about it is that there are people behind
pulpits, and chairing whole Sunday school departments, helping him do it as
unsuspecting accomplices; which goes to show that if an idea is repeated
often enough, widely enough, and loudly enough by people held in high
enough esteem; pretty soon it's accepted by the masses as fact without
thought or question.

A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong;
Gives it a superficial appearance of being right.
( Thomas Paine )
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[A-Sword-Cometh]

And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, but you must
not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”


And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil."

The unbolded part is the pertinent part. So right there God told them there was a tree they could not eat from. God even told them what would happen if they did eat of it. Eve answered correctly, but the First Lie was a subtle and crooked question, the serpent set her up with it to then hit her immediately with the second lie, a very blunt lie minimizing what God had actually said, that they would die. Then Satan follows it up with the third lie that she'll become like God, which is not what happened at all, but rather they lost their godliness that day and death entered the world.

 

[Magenta]

The unbolded part is the pertinent part. So right there God told them there was a tree they could not eat from.

Exactly. That means they cannot eat from every tree.
To say you shall not eat of every tree is not a lie. Why you characterize it as such is baffling.

 

[WayneNSO]

Choosing to believe the serpent told the truth is, directly or indirectly, choosing to believe God lied, isn't it? or isn't it at least rejecting God's truth?

Or thinking we know better and God is just being mean with His rules

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

Exactly. That means they cannot eat from every tree.
To say you shall not eat of every tree is not a lie. Why you characterize it as such is baffling.

How do you still not see it is a subtle lie? It is subtle though and the first verse telling us who and what Satan is and that indeed he is subtle. Does say he is the most subtle of the animals. He said to the woman; "Yea, has God said,' Ye shall not eat of every tree of the Garden?" Which is of course not what God said. What Eve replies is the essence of what God said, which is the basic command, don't eat the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and why not to eat it, because you will die. God told the truth from the beginning and Eve even had understanding of the truth because she was still good at this point.

Though that's the tragedy of it all in the simplicity of the fall, and the danger of the serpent, how subtle an animal he is indeed. Through that first subtle lie she's lined up and convicted more too by her answer, showing she knows what God had said about the tree. Then the deadliness of the next two lies, the second lie directly undermining her correct answer and what God did indeed say, that they would die if they ate it. Then the third lie, that they'll become like God. They were already like God don't you understand? They were made good until the day they transgressed and did evil. BUT they did not do evil out of outright defiance. Man only ate because the woman gave it to him, he was ignorant the most in the episode. Woman ate because the serpent lied to her she transgressed by obeying Satan, eating, and giving the fruit to man, but she did have to be possessed for it, the first possessed ever. Most cursed be the serpent outright by the Lord God Most High for what he has done, let him be in rage on the day he is thrown down remembering the prophecy which now he certainly can't stop woven into his curse about the seed of the Virgin Bride, the Son of Man and Promise of God that will slay him and his entire kingdom and save all of the believers of God resurrecting them, and this prophesied hero he is the Lord Jesus, amen.

 

[Webers.Home]

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• Gen 3:22a . . And the Lord God said: Now that Man has become as one of
Us

Had God's image and likeness been precisely duplicated in the man, Adam
wouldn't have tasted the forbidden fruit because God cannot be tempted
with evil. (Jas 1:13 & 1John 3:9)

From the limited amount of information we're given, it's readily seen that it's
fairly easy to make one's self a deity; it's only necessary to rebel against
constituted authority; viz: go one's own way instead of complying with the
laws, rules, and dictates of a higher power; viz: anarchy. (cf. Judg 17:6 and
Isa 53:6)

• Gen 3:22b . . discerning good and evil,

This particular discernment is intuitive rather than instructed; i.e. it's
natural rather than divine. Unfortunately, natural values are often
arbitrary, i.e. what's good and evil in one area of society may not be the
same good and evil down the road in another society. In other words:
natural values are flexible rather than absolute.

As such, humanity's intuitive sense of right and wrong is unreliable. Due to
its worldly nature rather than Heavenly, mankind's moral compass easily
deviates from true north by means of peer pressure, government policies,
financial problems, and emotional, social, cultural, and ethnic influences.

NOTE: We're touching on one of the very reasons why Communism opposes
ideologies that look to a higher power for moral guidance. For example:
were communists to begin practicing Christianity and/or Judaism, the
governments of countries like Russia, China, and North Korea would collapse
practically overnight.

Even an ideology as elementary as Falun Gong's-- with its truthfulness, its
compassion, and its forbearance --is poison to die-hard commies. Their
structure cannot survive without things like murder, theft, torture, gulags,
kidnapping, and dishonesty: which in a commie's mind are all justifiable
when they're done in the name of the party's greater good.
_

 

[Mem]

How do you still not see it is a subtle lie? It is subtle though and the first verse telling us who and what Satan is and that indeed he is subtle. Does say he is the most subtle of the animals. He said to the woman; "Yea, has God said,' Ye shall not eat of every tree of the Garden?" Which is of course not what God said. What Eve replies is the essence of what God said, which is the basic command, don't eat the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and why not to eat it, because you will die. God told the truth from the beginning and Eve even had understanding of the truth because she was still good at this point.

Though that's the tragedy of it all in the simplicity of the fall, and the danger of the serpent, how subtle an animal he is indeed. Through that first subtle lie she's lined up and convicted more too by her answer, showing she knows what God had said about the tree. Then the deadliness of the next two lies, the second lie directly undermining her correct answer and what God did indeed say, that they would die if they ate it. Then the third lie, that they'll become like God. They were already like God don't you understand? They were made good until the day they transgressed and did evil. BUT they did not do evil out of outright defiance. Man only ate because the woman gave it to him, he was ignorant the most in the episode. Woman ate because the serpent lied to her she transgressed by obeying Satan, eating, and giving the fruit to man, but she did have to be possessed for it, the first possessed ever. Most cursed be the serpent outright by the Lord God Most High for what he has done, let him be in rage on the day he is thrown down remembering the prophecy which now he certainly can't stop woven into his curse about the seed of the Virgin Bride, the Son of Man and Promise of God that will slay him and his entire kingdom and save all of the believers of God resurrecting them, and this prophesied hero he is the Lord Jesus, amen.

I think you may be getting close to the right idea but miss it here by trying to fit the three frogs into it.

In posing the first question to Eve, it seems to me that the serpent's intention is to suggest that Eve question God's word. Then, he outright 'reveals' to her that God is a liar. And finally, he offers her 'the truth,' and she bites the hook.

I'm mot sure how you've come to the conclusion that she is possessed tho. The frogs again mebbe?

 

[Mem]

Or thinking we know better and God is just being mean with His rules

.
• Gen 3:22a . . And the Lord God said: Now that Man has become as one of
Us

Had God's image and likeness been precisely duplicated in the man, Adam
wouldn't have tasted the forbidden fruit because God cannot be tempted
with evil. (Jas 1:13 & 1John 3:9)

From the limited amount of information we're given, it's readily seen that it's
fairly easy to make one's self a deity; it's only necessary to rebel against
constituted authority; viz: go one's own way instead of complying with the
laws, rules, and dictates of a higher power; viz: anarchy. (cf. Judg 17:6 and
Isa 53:6)

• Gen 3:22b . . discerning good and evil,

This particular discernment is intuitive rather than instructed; i.e. it's
natural rather than divine. Unfortunately, natural values are often
arbitrary, i.e. what's good and evil in one area of society may not be the
same good and evil down the road in another society. In other words:
natural values are flexible rather than absolute.

As such, humanity's intuitive sense of right and wrong is unreliable. Due to
its worldly nature rather than Heavenly, mankind's moral compass easily
deviates from true north by means of peer pressure, government policies,
financial problems, and emotional, social, cultural, and ethnic influences.

NOTE: We're touching on one of the very reasons why Communism opposes
ideologies that look to a higher power for moral guidance. For example:
were communists to begin practicing Christianity and/or Judaism, the
governments of countries like Russia, China, and North Korea would collapse
practically overnight.

Even an ideology as elementary as Falun Gong's-- with its truthfulness, its
compassion, and its forbearance --is poison to die-hard commies. Their
structure cannot survive without things like murder, theft, torture, gulags,
kidnapping, and dishonesty: which in a commie's mind are all justifiable
when they're done in the name of the party's greater good.
_

These are intriguing ideas that generated a whole train of thought for me...
If they did not know evil, did they know good apart from God saying, 'it is good'?
Can anyone one know what good is without first knowing evil?
Did either of them 'know' God? as He'd like to be known. I mean?
Was this, ultimately, the entire purpose of placing that tree in the midst of the garden? To 'know' good by 'knowing' evil, even though it is all so too intimately, also?

 

[Lanolin]

Adam was hungry or he was an idiot.

You try telling a man child what not to do and half the time he forgets and does the thing you told him not to do anyway.

 

[posthuman]

Scripture says Adam was not deceived so does that tell us for certain that somebody lied to him but he didn't believe it, or that whoever he spoke to did not lie to him?

to be deceived is to believe something that is not true, or to fail to believe something that is true.

Adam 'listened to the voice of his wife' -- if she had lied to him, or tried to convince him of something false, then he cannot have been said to listen to her and be undeceived at the same time; he would have not listened to her.

by putting those two together ((Genesis 3:17 + 1 Timothy 2:14)) we know that Woman didn't try to deceive him, whether wittingly or unwittingly. when she gave him some of the fruit he knew what it was, what it would do to him, what it had done to her and knew also that it was sin to eat it.

we don't know from 1 Timothy 2:14 whether Satan tried to deceive Adam. but we know that if he tried, he failed.
i think that because Romans 5:14 calls Adam a type/pattern of Christ, and Christ was tested in the wilderness, it makes sense that Adam was also tested - so that just like with Christ, Satan, finding that Christ cannot be corrupted, seeks to attack, sift and destroy the Bride of the Lamb, Satan sought also to malign the bride of Adam, in order to harm Adam.

where the first Adam trespassed in tasting death for his bride,
The Second Adam is glorified in laying His life down for His church.

 

[posthuman]

And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil."

did they become like God by committing sin?
as Satan suggested they would?
is rebelling against our Creator the way to become like Him?

 

[JohnDB]

I do not believe Adam was present when Satan approached his wife

That means that you don't believe scripture.
Chapter 3 verse 6. The last part. It says that Adam was with her the WHOLE time...

In Hebrew it suggests that he was using her as a guinea pig.....just the way it reads to me. YMMV.

 

[tourist]

Adam was hungry or he was an idiot.

You try telling a man child what not to do and half the time he forgets and does the thing you told him not to do anyway.

I believe that Adam was trending towards being an idiot.

 

[JohnDB]

I believe that Adam was trending towards being an idiot.

Could have been some of that teen angst going on too....

 

[tourist]

Could have been some of that teen angst going on too....

Exactly.

 

[posthuman]

Exactly. That means they cannot eat from every tree.
To say you shall not eat of every tree is not a lie. Why you characterize it as such is baffling.

word-for-word what Satan asks in Genesis 3:1 is "truly has-said God, 'not-eat' of every tree?"
i.e. he asks Woman if all the trees are forbidden-to-eat from?

there's an implicit suggestion of unjustifiable extremism, and there's also the idea that no tree is inherently different from the others.
it's also a bit of an absurd question. like saying, 'did God say you're not allowed to breathe?' when someone speaks against smoking.

i wonder if his introducing absurdity into their conversation might not be where her response actually comes from, that she's not allowed to even touch it!
is she being coy? like, did his hyperbole put her at ease, thinking he is playfully joking?

the verse begins by telling us that the serpent is more cunning/subtil than any beast of the field.
so we know immediately that what he says in this conversation is deliberate, and incredibly sly.

 

[posthuman]

That means that you don't believe scripture.
Chapter 3 verse 6. The last part. It says that Adam was with her the WHOLE time...

no, that's not what it says.
'to her husband with her' doesn't indicate he was never anywhere else but by her side.
'with her' doesn't even indicate proximity at all.

'with her' refers to the both of them having fruit, not to physical location.
she has fruit; he then has fruit with her.
'with' in the sense that they are now both carrying out the same action.

In Hebrew it suggests that he was using her as a guinea pig.....just the way it reads to me

in Hebrew or in your opinion?

from what i'm looking at ((https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5973.htm)) in Hebrew that word "with" most often refers to joining together in purpose or common action, in fellowship, in common lot/destiny. it's not at all specific to sharing a locality, and more often than not it's not used that way.

i see nothing in the definition of this word that means 'using someone as a guinea pig'
are you suggesting it's Adam, not Satan, who deceives his wife?